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Odell Beckham Jr.,: Seatbelts Ruin Lives

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Will the Browns look better or worse after this?

  • Browns got back to being a top 10 offense

    Votes: 23 54.8%
  • Browns will recover a but but it's too little to late to make the playoffs

    Votes: 6 14.3%
  • Odell wasn't the problem but he wasn't the solution either

    Votes: 11 26.2%
  • The offense goes from bad to badderer, but the team stays the course

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • Stefanski has to fall on his own sword

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • Baker gets traded in the off season

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    42
So I posted this somewhere else, and this will be my absolutely last post about any of this shit.

Over the last 20 or so years the top 3-5 QBs one year are typically in the top 3-5 the next year. However 5-15 or so is constantly changing from year to year. Some years a guy is at 15, some years a guy is at 6, and .some years a guy is at 10. Baker is clearly in that 5-15 group right now. Last year he was top 10, right now he is 15. There is nothing wrong with that group, they can occasionally win games by themselves, and occasionally lose games by themselves. It would be great if Baker could step up and be in that top 5 group, but as someone htat watched Baker throughout college I recognize that isnt a realistic goal, and no one should expect him to be that year in and year out. Consistently in the top 10 should be the goal. Is that what fans want to hear, of course not. But there are very few guys in the world that can step up and be a starting NFL QB for an extended period of time. Baker is absolutely one of them the biggest question is where he falls from year to year. Is he going to be 5 or 6 or is he going to be 14 or 15

I've been one of Bakers biggest detractors, though I've refrained from posting anything about him for a couple weeks. I would LOVE to have him consistently in the top 10 every year, and would happily shut my mouth about him if he reaches that. The problem isn't that he's "top 5 one year and 10-15 the next," it's that he's top 10 one *week* and the Jets version of Sam Darnold the next. That inconsistency is why he doesn't have a good chance of being a top 10 QB. It's not that he's REALLY good, then average. It's he has elite stats one week and historically bad stats the next. At the most important and highest scrutinized position in western sports, you can't have that.
 
I'd argue that the interpretation and exaggeration to specific and concentrated parts of the data, as well as the overreaction to small sample sizes (2021) is the issue.

I tried to bring that particular discussion to a fair conclusion because the arguments became circular and pointless, and when smacked with basic logic we had SOME PEOPLE moving goalposts faster than kids move pokemon cards.

Now if you still got some juice and wanna slug it out about Baker then fine, but this really isn't the thread to do that in.
The bolded part is pretty much what has worn me out on some of these discussions. Not to mention that I'm just flat worn out from job stress, and not in the mood for the constant picking away and dissection of the players on this team.

Prolonged stats based disagreements wear me out because my job demands the type of mental activity that puts me in a frame of mind where I'd prefer to escape through sports fandom here, rather than reading endless bickering and criticism. That's my problem and no-one else's, so I guess I'll just bow out until things change.
 
Do we not have two high paid WR’s? Eventually we need to put them to good use.

We haven't had both of those guys for a single game all season. Landry has been out since early in Game 2, and OBJ only played in the last three games.
 
I'll ask again:

On what other team is he the #1 receiving option?
 
Maybe it’s OBJ, maybe it’s Baker. But one thing is certain: he’s had a lot of killer drops in his time here.
 
Can't believe Odell is being blamed for that 4th down "drop", the defender clearly slammed into Odell as he was making a catch, defender simply made a good play, it happens. Quarterback has 3 turnovers by himself and the WR gets the most vitriol, sad.
 
Maybe it’s OBJ, maybe it’s Baker. But one thing is certain: he’s had a lot of killer drops in his time here.
Baker was hitting him fine this game. Think he missed one opportunity in one of the earlier drives.

When Baker does his job, it's up to OBJ to do his. Can't wait for Browns to draft or sign a replacement so this shit can be over
 
Can't believe Odell is being blamed for that 4th down "drop", the defender clearly slammed into Odell as he was making a catch, defender simply made a good play, it happens. Quarterback has 3 turnovers by himself and the WR gets the most vitriol, sad.
lmao he’s literally one of the highest paid Wrs in the nfl and his standards are on the fucking ground
 
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Can't believe Odell is being blamed for that 4th down "drop", the defender clearly slammed into Odell as he was making a catch, defender simply made a good play, it happens. Quarterback has 3 turnovers by himself and the WR gets the most vitriol, sad.

You can't believe the star WR is being criticized for dropping a 4th quarter attempt in the red zone for the 2nd week in a row?
 
The vitriol isn't the same, calling Odell a bum, saying he's ass, wanting him traded asap I mean come on I checked the Baker thread it was tame compared to this
It’s only a matter of time. Baker has highs and lows. OBJ in brown and orange? Mostly all lows.
 

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