Odell Beckham Jr.,: Seatbelts Ruin Lives

[bob2the2nd]

I am always weary of pinning a player’s lack of production/targets on the scheme and play calling.

If players are getting open, the scheme and play calls are working, right?

If the QB is too limited to make multiple reads or too skittish in the pocket to navigate chaos around him and still be able to keep his eyes up, that’s not on coaching.

Well when the coach has flat out said that he takes care in making sure that individual players are schemed into the game plan appropriately and thats part of his job. That seems to fall on the head coach.

After a couple of weeks of OBJ being very productive, my guess is that part of the game plan was to start to get other players involved, and the entire thing just took a massive dump.

 

[OptimusPrime]

Why isn’t Beckham a bigger part of the gameplan? I actually do understand his frustration. He does a pretty good job of getting open and creating separation on most plays...yet for large swaths of the game he’s ignored or an afterthought.

It’s frustrating because on his end I know he feels like he can be contributing much more than he has, but he’s not being given the opportunity.

The QB can't see him most of the time, and the few times he does, can't put it on him.

 

[CBBI]

Well when the coach has flat out said that he takes care in making sure that individual players are schemed into the game plan appropriately and thats part of his job. That seems to fall on the head coach.

After a couple of weeks of OBJ being very productive, my guess is that part of the game plan was to start to get other players involved, and the entire thing just took a massive dump.

I just think Mayfield is incredibly limited in what he's able to do when he's under duress.

If Beckham gets open and Mayfield drops his eyes before he can make that read and ends up scrambling into a sack or dropping his eyes to avoid pressure and passing the ball to the first person he sees open who may not be the most open player, that's on Baker.

If Baker reads the coverage presnap and decides before the ball is ever snapped he's going to throwing to someone else without letting the routes develop to see if someone else is going to be more open further down the field, that's on Baker.

You can only do so many gimmicks like play action boots and moving pockets and even when you do those the ability to get YAC is usually pretty limited.

At some point Baker just has to be able to navigate a pocket and go through progressions.

Here's an example (this will become much more clear when they release the All-22) of where Baker really struggles.

Wills gets beat immediately with a speed rush to the outside. Not Baker's fault, but he must step up in the pocket or he's getting sacked.



For once, Baker actually DOES step up into the pocket and away from the pressure, but ultimately it's meaningless because he steps up with his eyes down desperately just looking to scramble forward. Because he's is so afraid of getting hit, he completely misses Landry who made a beautiful route adjustment and is literally running wide open directly in front of Baker, just 7 yards ahead.



If Baker doesn't completely panic under pressure, this is a throw he can and should easily make to Landry in stride for a first down. Yes he's going to get hit, but he got hit anyway on the sack so what's the difference?

Since he immediately dropped his eyes the moment he felt Wills get beat on the blindside, he never even saw Landry and just skittishly scrambled into the sack.

Mayfield just has not shown that he's really capable of making many positives things happen from inside the pocket when he's under duress. He's good in scramble drill situations when he can break the pocket because that gives him a much more clear window to throw and he does throw accurately on the move, but he's also not the elite athlete that Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray are, so he's not able to get into those scramble drill scenarios as easily as they are.

 

[Los216]

Well when the coach has flat out said that he takes care in making sure that individual players are schemed into the game plan appropriately and thats part of his job. That seems to fall on the head coach.

After a couple of weeks of OBJ being very productive, my guess is that part of the game plan was to start to get other players involved, and the entire thing just took a massive dump.

Odell was wide open on both of Bakers interceptions

 

[bob2the2nd]

I just think Mayfield is incredibly limited in what he's able to do when he's under duress.

If Beckham gets open and Mayfield drops his eyes before he can make that read and ends up scrambling into a sack, that's on Baker.

If Baker reads the coverage presnap and decides before the ball is ever snapped he's going to throwing to someone else without letting the routes develop to see if someone else is going to be more open further down the field, that's on Baker.

You can only do so many gimmicks like play action boots and moving pockets and even when you do those the ability to get YAC is usually pretty limited.

At some point Baker just has to be able to navigate a pocket and go through progressions.

Here's an example (this will become much more clear when they release the All-22) of where Baker really struggles.

Wills gets beat immediately with a speed rush to the outside. Not Baker's fault, but he must step up in the pocket or he's getting sacked.

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For once, Baker actually DOES step up into the pocket and away from the pressure, but ultimately it's meaningless because he steps up with his eyes down desperately just looking to scramble forward. Because he's is so afraid of getting hit, he completely misses Landry who made a beautiful route adjustment and is literally running wide open directly in front of Baker, just 7 yards ahead.

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If Baker doesn't completely panic under pressure, this is a throw he can and should easily make to Landry in stride for a first down. Yes he's going to get hit, but he got hit anyway on the sack so what's the difference?

Since he immediately dropped his eyes the moment he felt Wills get beat on the blindside, he never even saw Landry and just skittishly scrambled into the sack.

Mayfield just has not shown that he's really capable of making many positives things happen from inside the pocket when he's under duress. He's good in scramble drill situations when he can break the pocket because that gives him a much more clear window to throw and he does throw accurately on the move, but he's also not the elite athlete that Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray are, so he's not able to get into those scramble drill scenarios as easily as they are.

cool break down, i think you should take it to the baker thread.

As far as OBJs involvement yesterday, a coach has more than 1 way to get a WR involved in the game, as we have seen over the last couple of weeks. @shoes22 ask why OBJ wasnt more involved and ultimately that involvement falls on the head coach (as this specific head coach has previously addressed when it concerned why OBJ wasnt involved more).

Does part of that fall on baker, sure. But I think its pretty clear yesterday was a unmitigated disaster from pretty much the head coach down.

 

[OptimusPrime]

cool break down, i think you should take it to the baker thread.

As far as OBJs involvement yesterday, a coach has more than 1 way to get a WR involved in the game, as we have seen over the last couple of weeks. @shoes22 ask why OBJ wasnt more involved and ultimately that involvement falls on the head coach (as this specific head coach has previously addressed when it concerned why OBJ wasnt involved more).

Does part of that fall on baker, sure. But I think its pretty clear yesterday was a unmitigated disaster from pretty much the head coach down.

Beckham is a receiver. Sure, they could have given him a handoff on an end around or something, but they wouldn't have been able to block it anyway. If you want to know why a receiver isn't getting the ball, the QB is almost always the answer.

 

[CBBI]

cool break down, i think you should take it to the baker thread.

As far as OBJs involvement yesterday, a coach has more than 1 way to get a WR involved in the game, as we have seen over the last couple of weeks. @shoes22 ask why OBJ wasnt more involved and ultimately that involvement falls on the head coach (as this specific head coach has previously addressed when it concerned why OBJ wasnt involved more).

Does part of that fall on baker, sure. But I think its pretty clear yesterday was a unmitigated disaster from pretty much the head coach down.

I wouldn't read too much into what Kevin Stefanski says publicly because he's going to put all the praise on the players and pin all the blame on himself no matter what actually happens.

And I mean no disrespect by this, but if you you think the Browns offensive staff goes into their game plan meetings and says "Beckham was TOO involved the last few weeks, we're going to lower his usage and spread the ball to other players" - then I don't really know what to say to that because it's so outlandish.

Beckham is the best weapon they have right now with Chubb injured. They're not going to intentionally limit him for any reason.

Don't confuse Mayfield's inability to see the field and make reads under pressure with some sort of active decision by the coaches to not use Beckham as much as previous weeks.

 

[Douglar]

And yet, when OBJ went out, we got treated to 2018 Baker today.That’s not a good look for OBJ.

 

[red.]

 

[CBBI]

I hope he has a really quick recovery, but I can't help but feel like today was the last we're going to see of Odell Beckham in a Browns uniform.

 

[mrWalrus]

And yet, when OBJ went out, we got treated to 2018 Baker today.That’s not a good look for OBJ.

We need to trade him to SF now. Hopefully he's not too hurt. I'll take a fifth round selection.

 

[Jack Brickman]

We need to trade him to SF now. Hopefully he's not too hurt. I'll take a fifth round selection.

 

[CBBI]

Ain't gonna be any Beckham trade this season. He's almost assuredly got a torn ACL.

In the offseason? We'll see.

 

[Los216]

Ain't gonna be any Beckham trade this season. He's almost assuredly got a torn ACL.

In the offseason? We'll see.

I highly doubt we trade him in the offseason if he has a torn ACL. Not when his cap number is $15M next season. The value you’ll get in a trade still won’t be worth it. You almost have to let him recover and see where he’s at next season.

 

[Zeus69]