Paying College Athletes/Letting Them Get Endorsements

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Imagine the NFL with no salary cap, no draft, and all rookies are free agents. That's basically what would happen to big-time college sports.

No it wouldn't.

More importantly, if colleges HAVE the money to pay these players such a wage, THEN WHY ARE YOU OPPOSED TO IT?


Do we just have an incessant need to see poor people beat the shit out of each other like gladiators in the arena?
 

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I think Nile will now legally pay all the top players a million a year to go to Oregon,

But lets say other states dont come aboard, now that hurts Cali because the NCAA will bar them from playing in bowls, the tourney, ect....

I'm glad you brought up Nike, seeing as though they're currently paying over $200m a year to outfit over half of the 130 FBS schools in America. Even though Phil Knight is a Duck, Nike is a business and pays that money as an investment. Paying millions more to send a few kids to a particular school seems meaningless in the grand scheme of things. They would rather use that money to sign Zion Williamson a year earlier than they did, regardless of where he chooses to go to school.

I've seen a few people recommend raising the cost of attendance stipend from $2,500-$4,000 to $10,000. Unfortunately this would only widen competitive imbalance seeing as the schools are the ones paying that. Everyone may think these athletic departments are loaded, but when you have 1-2 revenue generating sports supporting 20+ sports and 600+ student athletes, most of them aren't making money.

The initial cost of attendance stipend weeded out many G5/FCS schools as they couldn't afford to pay it. Over doubling it would mean millions of dollars more (most schools provide it to all student athletes) and I think you'd see poorer Power 5 schools balk. Then it becomes go to Alabama and get my $10k c.o.a. stipend or go somewhere else for less?
 

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I personally think if this is something that happens thru out the country, that it's allows certain guys to cash in on their success when they peak and give them earns for that success.

Like JT Barrett has been on and off the saints practice squad and probably will never play in the NFL. A decent amount of Ohio State's success during that time was because of Barrett. He made alot of money for the program but I'm not sure he will benefit financial from football beyond that couple seasons on the practice squad.

NCAA should welcome this because I think its only a matter of time before the NFL and NBA figure out proper developmental leagues that can make them money and basically put the NCAA out of business. If the NCAA figures out a proper payment system they might ultimately keep beating out whatever the NFL and/or NBA comes up with.
 

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If we’re at the point where we could have been paying athletes this whole time, and the only thing holding us back has been “amateurism,” then what in the world was the argument about?

Pay em.
 

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I'm glad you brought up Nike, seeing as though they're currently paying over $200m a year to outfit over half of the 130 FBS schools in America. Even though Phil Knight is a Duck, Nike is a business and pays that money as an investment. Paying millions more to send a few kids to a particular school seems meaningless in the grand scheme of things. They would rather use that money to sign Zion Williamson a year earlier than they did, regardless of where he chooses to go to school.

I've seen a few people recommend raising the cost of attendance stipend from $2,500-$4,000 to $10,000. Unfortunately this would only widen competitive imbalance seeing as the schools are the ones paying that. Everyone may think these athletic departments are loaded, but when you have 1-2 revenue generating sports supporting 20+ sports and 600+ student athletes, most of them aren't making money.

The initial cost of attendance stipend weeded out many G5/FCS schools as they couldn't afford to pay it. Over doubling it would mean millions of dollars more (most schools provide it to all student athletes) and I think you'd see poorer Power 5 schools balk. Then it becomes go to Alabama and get my $10k c.o.a. stipend or go somewhere else for less?

Nike pays a ton toward college donations, not just Oregon, I do know that, but, and this is huge, about 50% of the money Phil Knight donates to college athletics goes to Oregon. Knight currently is about at 2 Billion in donations to Oregon alone.

If even 10% of that money was moved over to paying the athletes that is a huge unfair advantage.
 

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If we’re at the point where we could have been paying athletes this whole time, and the only thing holding us back has been “amateurism,” then what in the world was the argument about?

Pay em.
Are we going to also allow them the +$100k in free tuition, board and food? Plus the medical needs?
Just curious since they are already getting hundreds of thousands in benefits.
 

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Are we going to also allow them the +$100k in free tuition, board and food? Plus the medical needs?
Just curious since they are already getting hundreds of thousands in benefits.

Plus the medical needs? The NCAA tells you to get fucked if you get injured.

Anyone who wants to earn money from their image and likeness should be free to do so. Just like you and me.
 

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Plus the medical needs? The NCAA tells you to get fucked if you get injured.

Anyone who wants to earn money from their image and likeness should be free to do so. Just like you and me.

Not many realize how little colleges do for their athletes that get hurt after their career is over. That needs to be fixed for sure.
 

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Nike pays a ton toward college donations, not just Oregon, I do know that, but, and this is huge, about 50% of the money Phil Knight donates to college athletics goes to Oregon. Knight currently is about at 2 Billion in donations to Oregon alone.

If even 10% of that money was moved over to paying the athletes that is a huge unfair advantage.

I think you’re having a hard time discerning Phil Knight the person vs. Nike the company. If Phil Knight would start paying for kids to go to Oregon in the name of Nike, every Nike school would go elsewhere when their deal is up. Nike, more than any company, has a good reason not to piss off all of their schools. Their business relies on these deals. All in all it’s a bad example.
 

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Not many realize how little colleges do for their athletes that get hurt after their career is over. That needs to be fixed for sure.

I've got a torn labrum, constant knee pain and damaged ligaments in my ankle all of which stemmed from my time playing at BG.

Should I send the athletic department a bill or nah?
 

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I've got a torn labrum, constant knee pain and damaged ligaments in my ankle all of which stemmed from my time playing at BG.

Should I send the athletic department a bill or nah?

And I've torn both of my labrums playing summer camp basketball.

What's your point?
 

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And I've torn both of my labrums playing summer camp basketball.

What's your point?

That the NCAA doesn't do shit for injuries.

Did you not make the connection?
 

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That the NCAA doesn't do shit for injuries.

Did you not make the connection?

So you play at the NCAA level and you expect to be taken care of, got it.

Not saying you're wrong.
 

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So you play at the NCAA level and you expect to be taken care of, got it.

Not saying you're wrong.

Well, that’s certainly a straw man.

Drag someone else down the rabbit hole, I was merely responding to the person who claimed that they get “the medical needs.”

God only knows that the football injuries are much worse.
 

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Let's look at, for instance, a guy like Marcus Lattimore. Guy was basically the next Bo Jackson, Adrian Peterson, ect. Then, catastrophic knee injury and his entire career goes up in smoke.

During that time, South Carolina was going to major bowl games and earning tons of money from the SEC. And what does he get? Maybe a 4 year degree and a pat on the back?

Fucked up. Sure, we can say that this hurts the small guys. OTOH, Ohio State beat Miami of Ohio how badly? How many times has Alabama beat an FCS team just for a paycheck?

People are acting like this is going to end parody in NCAA Football. 12 different teams have won a National Title since the BCS started in 1998. All of them from a major powerhouse in college football that spends well over 10 million a year on coaching alone.

Let them earn some money.
 
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