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Gov. Funded Sandusky Pet Project, Hid His Abuse
Posted by Brooks on Nov. 16, 2011, 7:49pm
There will never be anything more incomprehensible than a man creating a charity expressly to allow him to rape children, but the wide-ranging enabling of Jerry Sandusky to do just that is almost as impossible to fathom.
As Sandusky continues to enjoy free, unsupervised release following charges of 40 crimes related to child rape, the level of complicity in his appalling who-knows-how-long rampage of pederasty now appears to, somehow, extend beyond Penn State and State College, Pennsylvania.
Last July, Pennsylvania Governor Tom Corbett announced the “re-release” of a $3 million grant for the construction of what was essentially the pet project of Sandusky to “benefit” the children of The Second Mile charity he founded in State College in 1977.
On August 10, 2011, the CENTRE (PA) DAILY TIMES reported that thanks in part to Corbett’s grant and a subsequent rubber stamp from Centre County (PA) Commissioners - who actually sponsored the now-disgraced charity’s taxpayer cash grab - “The Second Mile Center for Excellence” building project was soon to be realized.
Sandusky had long wished for a centralized facility to carry out his unspeakable crimes against children and was personally involved in what is still scheduled to be a 45,000-square-foot, $12 million facility the includes a gym, fitness room, locker rooms and a “second floor featuring dorm rooms where 100 to 115 people can sleep.”
The news of the imminent construction project last August was provided to the State College-area Centre Daily Times by then-Second Mile CEO Jack Raykovitz, who this week resigned after it was revealed he personally knew of Sandusky’s 2002 ban from bringing children to Penn State but didn’t attempt to segregate Sandusky in any way from The Second Mile children until Sandusky informed him of the current criminal investigation - which began in 2008.
The acting head of The Second Mile’s building project now? Raykovitz’s wife, Katherine Genovese, who herself reportedly “told a person in authority that the charity already had concerns about Sandusky and certain boys” in 2008.
That concern by Genovese apparently did not extend to the prevention of Sandusky’s intimate input into the design of much of “The Second Mile Center of Excellence,” a facility perhaps not coincidentally unburdened by the requirements of an actual school. As Raykovitz noted to the Centre Daily Times last August, “nobody will be in residence during school weeks, but the site will be used for weekend, after-school and summer programs.”
Not to mention overnight stays by children in what was likely designed, at least originally, as Sandusky’s own personal chamber of horrors.
As noted in the August Centre Daily Times report, construction of the project “is slated to begin this fall … (and) if all goes as planned … will take 16 months to complete and be finished in spring 2013.”
The early stages of the project are underway, with local homebuilder Bob Poole, who also serves as Chairman of the charity’s Board of Directors, overseeing the actual construction along with PennTerra Engineering and Keller Engineers. The latter two - according to Sandusky in a 2008 newsletter - are providing services at no cost.
It took a decade for Sandusky and his Second Mile colleagues to raise enough funds to cover the cost of the construction. The acquisition of the land though was a much easier process for Sandusky thanks to cooperation from his alma in 2001. That isn’t to say that the transaction took place without anyone at Penn State knowing about the school’s “lengthy investigation” into Sandusky showering with children on campus in 1998.
At least one official representative of Penn State who witnessed the land transaction in 2001 had intimate knowledge of the ‘98 investigation - and did nothing to stop the school from selling land to Sandusky’s charity.
In a Centre County Grand Jury presentment released on Nov. 5, 2011, it was reported that in 1998 Penn State University Police Detective Ronald Schreffler conducted a “lengthy investigation” that resulted in Sandusky admitting to the Penn State University Police Detective that he “showered naked with Victim 6, admitted to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admitted that it was wrong.”
Detective Schreffler also testified to the Centre County Grand Jury that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdropped on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 had with Sandusky on May 13, 1998, and May 19, 1998.
She asked him if his “private parts” touched Victim 6 when he bearhugged him. Sandusky replied, “I don’t think so…maybe.” At the conclusion of the second conversation, after Sandusky was told he could not see Victim 6 anymore, Sandusky said, “I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead.” Detective Ralston and the mother of Victim 6 confirm these conversations.
The incidents that Sandusky admitted to took place in the Penn State football team’s locker room.
On Nov. 11, 2011, Sara Ganim of the HARRISBURG PATRIOT-NEWS reported of the same 1998 investigation of Sandusky:
The Centre County Office of Children and Youth Services also was investigating that case.
Investigator Jerry Lauro said this week he didn’t feel there was enough evidence for abuse charges solely based on interviews with the boys.
“At that time, the information that we had wasn’t sufficient enough to substantiate a case,” Lauro said. “I don’t want [the mother)] to think we didn’t believe their kid back then. We did, but we didn’t have enough.”
Lauro said Penn State University Police Detective Schreffler never told him the details of Sandusky’s confession at the victim’s house.
“I remember my last conversation with him concerning him hiding in that room,” Lauro said. “Schreffler didn’t tell me details. All he said was, ‘There’s nothing to it — we’re going to close our case.’ And I said, ‘That’s fine, I’m going to close my case, too.”
Of Penn State University Police Detective Schreffler’s decision to close the 1998 case in which Sandusky admitted to him he “bear hugged” a child while showering with the boy because there was “nothing to it“, Penn State Senior V.P. Gary Schultz told the Center County Grand Jury:
… the 1998 incident was reviewed by the University Police and “the child protection agency” with the blessing of then-University counsel Wendell Courtney. Courtney was then and remains counsel for The Second Mile.
Courtney resigned as counsel of The Second Mile on Monday and was replaced in that capacity by Penn State in 2010.
While Courtney’s lack of action as it pertains to Sandusky’s future conduct imperiled the lives of countless children in future years, Courtney’s similar do-nothing stance at a Sept. 21, 2001, Penn State Board of Trustees meeting set the stage for the school to facilitate - literally - Sandusky preying on children in a more discreet and insidious way.
On Sept. 21, 2001, the Penn State Board of Trustees, with Courtney in attendance, decided to sell a 40 acre parcel of land to Sandusky’s Second Mile charity. On the same day, the transaction was announced to the public on Penn State’s official website:
The University will sell 40.7 acres in Patton Township to the Second Mile, former Penn State football defensive coach Jerry Sandusky’s non-profit group for prevention, early intervention and community-based programs for Pennsylvania youth. The mission of Second Mile is to challenge young people to achieve their potential as individuals and community members by providing opportunities for them to develop positive life skills and self-esteem.
So Penn State itself provided the land upon which the culimination of Sandusky’s lifelong devotion to the sexual abuse of children is currently being constructed.
But that transaction never had to happen had Courtney, who by then was well aware of the allegations of child sexual abuse by Sandusky on Penn State’s campus in 1998, said something.
Anything.
After the Grand Jury report was released, Courtney denied he was counsel for The Second Mile when he learned the details of Penn State’s police report about Sandusky in 1998.
In response to Courtney’s denial, Nils Frederiksen, a spokesman for state Attorney General Linda Kelly said:
“It’s clear from the findings of the grand jury that Mr. Courtney had direct dealings with both Penn State and The Second Mile and he had knowledge and was aware of the 1998 incident.
“The grand jury findings are based on evidence and testimony. There’s no dispute he had interaction with both [Penn State and The Second Mile]. If he wants to engage in semantics, so be it.”
There’s also no dispute that Courtney’s wife Linette was on The Second Mile Board of Directors in 2001, which was previously listed on the charity’s website. And that Courtney’s colleague at the legal firm McQuaide Blasko, attorney Dan Bright, remains on The Second Mile’s Board of Directors to this day. (In what surely is a complete coincidence, Bright removed the mention of his Board member status with The Second Mile on his company website profile after the Grand Jury report came out.)
While the failure of so many at Penn State and The Second Mile to place the welfare of children above their own personal desires has now been established, the lack of action taken by the highest law enforcement official in the state during much of the current Sandusky investigation has yet to be explained. At least sufficiently.
Perhaps that has something to do with that same person being the current Governor of Pennsylvania, Tom Corbett.
Corbett was the state’s Attorney General when the first break in the current Sandusky case took place. In 2008, according to the Grand Jury report, it was first learned that Sandusky had forcibly performed oral sex on an early-teens boy more than 20 times, and forced the child to perform oral sex on the former Penn State Defensive Coordinator.
Because the crimes took place in State College, the local District Attorney, citing a conflict of interest because of Sandusky’s stature at Penn State, referred the case to Corbett’s office. Despite the appalling nature of the 2008 charges against Sandusky, and the fact that he still had access to thousands of vulnerable children at The Second Mile, now-Governor Corbett only assigned a single state trooper to investigate the case in March, 2009.
The Second Mile was never notified by Corbett - or anyone in law enforcement for that matter - that Corbett’s investigation had evidence that the children’s charity founder was a child rapist.
Or that Sandusky was being investigated at all!
Incredibly, Sandusky notified The Second Mile in 2008 that he was being investigated, but Corbett’s office never did.
The Second Mile was finally notified in 2011 of the investigation into its founder by the Attorney General who succeeded Corbett, Linda Kelly.
Nearly two years after Corbett assigned a single investigator to the Sandusky child rape case, no progress had been made. In the fall of 2010, with Attorney General Corbett in the middle of his campaign for Governor, his office took over direct supervision of the case.
As reported by Sara Ganim of the HARRISBURG PATRIOT-NEWS, “one of the first things that happened was the discovery of a 1998 Sandusky report in the files of the Penn State police.”
So Corbett, who was now directly supervising the case, had documented evidence of another accusation against Sandusky. Shortly thereafter, McQueary gave his account of the 2002 Sandusky shower rape of a 10-year-old boy in the Penn State locker room to authorities.
But while the case now appeared ready to explode, Corbett, who was in the final throes of his gubernatorial run, didn’t beef up his investigation. In fact, it took Corbett’s departure as Attorney General at the end of 2010 for Pennsylvania State Police Commissioner Frank Noonan to add investigators to the case.
Eight, to be exact.
Having clearly soft-pedaled the Sandusky investigation during his campaign for governor, Corbett soon learned that even as the highest official in the state he couldn’t escape an issue related to Sandusky’s sexual abuse of children.
On Dec. 31, 2010, the PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW reported:
Gov.-elect Tom Corbett, confronted with new spending figures Thursday, said he will review Gov. Ed Rendell’s last-minute, multimillion-dollar grant awards closely when he takes office next month.
“We will review everything that isn’t signed, sealed and delivered,” Corbett said.
Among those grants was a $3 million award to The Second Mile which would essentially consumate the construction of Sandusky’s beloved, pet project.
Seven months later, on July 20, 2011, then-Second Mile CEO Jack Raykovitz received the following letter:
“The Office of the Budget has completed its review of The Second Mile Learning Center project and I am pleased to inform you that Governor Corbett has approved the Commonwealth’s commitment of $3,000,000 in RACP funding for this project.”
Corbett followed with his own press release detailing the “re-release” of state funds to the children’s charity founded by a man who - by then - Corbett personally knew had been sexual abusing children for at least over a decade. And was free to continue to do it.
Despite the news media having now exposed Corbett’s horrific so-called oversight, the Governor hasn’t exactly backpedaled from his decision.
Instead, today he lauded the charity founded by Sandusky and tried to defend his decision to fund construction of “The Second Mile Center for Excellence”:
“Yes I knew this (Sandusky investigation was under way), but I could not act publicly on this without saying certain things that would have possibly compromised the investigation. So eventually we did approve it.”
Remember, Corbett first blocked the grant, vowing to “review everything that isn’t signed, sealed and delivered.”
Seven months later, he personally signed off on it.
Corbett is no different than anyone at Penn State, including Joe Paterno, who covered up child rape for the sake of their own peronal well-being. Corbett, in my opinion, did virtually nothing to advance a case against a child rapist then-currently immersed in a children’s charity because he thought it would injure his run for governor.
Caught supporting the culimination of Sandusky’s child rape-enabling charity despite intimate knowledge of Sandusky’s crimes against humanity, Corbett said today he’s now “pulling back” the funding. Reluctantly!
“The Second Mile had good purposes and I would like to see it go forward. I don’t know that it’s going to be able to continue to go forward, and I would hope that there would be a successor organization… to help children in that area. But right now, we have to pull back that proposal.”
I’d say “too little, too late” but that’d be overstating Corbett’s contribution to stopping a child rapist who has likely preyed on the children of Corbett’s Pennsylvania for decades.
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Posted by Brooks on Nov. 16, 2011, 7:49pm
There will never be anything more incomprehensible than a man creating a charity expressly to allow him to rape children, but the wide-ranging enabling of Jerry Sandusky to do just that is almost as impossible to fathom.
As Sandusky continues to enjoy free, unsupervised release following charges of 40 crimes related to child rape, the level of complicity in his appalling who-knows-how-long rampage of pederasty now appears to, somehow, extend beyond Penn State and State College, Pennsylvania.
Last July, Pennsylvania Governor Tom Corbett announced the “re-release” of a $3 million grant for the construction of what was essentially the pet project of Sandusky to “benefit” the children of The Second Mile charity he founded in State College in 1977.
On August 10, 2011, the CENTRE (PA) DAILY TIMES reported that thanks in part to Corbett’s grant and a subsequent rubber stamp from Centre County (PA) Commissioners - who actually sponsored the now-disgraced charity’s taxpayer cash grab - “The Second Mile Center for Excellence” building project was soon to be realized.
Sandusky had long wished for a centralized facility to carry out his unspeakable crimes against children and was personally involved in what is still scheduled to be a 45,000-square-foot, $12 million facility the includes a gym, fitness room, locker rooms and a “second floor featuring dorm rooms where 100 to 115 people can sleep.”
The news of the imminent construction project last August was provided to the State College-area Centre Daily Times by then-Second Mile CEO Jack Raykovitz, who this week resigned after it was revealed he personally knew of Sandusky’s 2002 ban from bringing children to Penn State but didn’t attempt to segregate Sandusky in any way from The Second Mile children until Sandusky informed him of the current criminal investigation - which began in 2008.
The acting head of The Second Mile’s building project now? Raykovitz’s wife, Katherine Genovese, who herself reportedly “told a person in authority that the charity already had concerns about Sandusky and certain boys” in 2008.
That concern by Genovese apparently did not extend to the prevention of Sandusky’s intimate input into the design of much of “The Second Mile Center of Excellence,” a facility perhaps not coincidentally unburdened by the requirements of an actual school. As Raykovitz noted to the Centre Daily Times last August, “nobody will be in residence during school weeks, but the site will be used for weekend, after-school and summer programs.”
Not to mention overnight stays by children in what was likely designed, at least originally, as Sandusky’s own personal chamber of horrors.
As noted in the August Centre Daily Times report, construction of the project “is slated to begin this fall … (and) if all goes as planned … will take 16 months to complete and be finished in spring 2013.”
The early stages of the project are underway, with local homebuilder Bob Poole, who also serves as Chairman of the charity’s Board of Directors, overseeing the actual construction along with PennTerra Engineering and Keller Engineers. The latter two - according to Sandusky in a 2008 newsletter - are providing services at no cost.
It took a decade for Sandusky and his Second Mile colleagues to raise enough funds to cover the cost of the construction. The acquisition of the land though was a much easier process for Sandusky thanks to cooperation from his alma in 2001. That isn’t to say that the transaction took place without anyone at Penn State knowing about the school’s “lengthy investigation” into Sandusky showering with children on campus in 1998.
At least one official representative of Penn State who witnessed the land transaction in 2001 had intimate knowledge of the ‘98 investigation - and did nothing to stop the school from selling land to Sandusky’s charity.
In a Centre County Grand Jury presentment released on Nov. 5, 2011, it was reported that in 1998 Penn State University Police Detective Ronald Schreffler conducted a “lengthy investigation” that resulted in Sandusky admitting to the Penn State University Police Detective that he “showered naked with Victim 6, admitted to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admitted that it was wrong.”
Detective Schreffler also testified to the Centre County Grand Jury that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdropped on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 had with Sandusky on May 13, 1998, and May 19, 1998.
She asked him if his “private parts” touched Victim 6 when he bearhugged him. Sandusky replied, “I don’t think so…maybe.” At the conclusion of the second conversation, after Sandusky was told he could not see Victim 6 anymore, Sandusky said, “I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead.” Detective Ralston and the mother of Victim 6 confirm these conversations.
The incidents that Sandusky admitted to took place in the Penn State football team’s locker room.
On Nov. 11, 2011, Sara Ganim of the HARRISBURG PATRIOT-NEWS reported of the same 1998 investigation of Sandusky:
The Centre County Office of Children and Youth Services also was investigating that case.
Investigator Jerry Lauro said this week he didn’t feel there was enough evidence for abuse charges solely based on interviews with the boys.
“At that time, the information that we had wasn’t sufficient enough to substantiate a case,” Lauro said. “I don’t want [the mother)] to think we didn’t believe their kid back then. We did, but we didn’t have enough.”
Lauro said Penn State University Police Detective Schreffler never told him the details of Sandusky’s confession at the victim’s house.
“I remember my last conversation with him concerning him hiding in that room,” Lauro said. “Schreffler didn’t tell me details. All he said was, ‘There’s nothing to it — we’re going to close our case.’ And I said, ‘That’s fine, I’m going to close my case, too.”
Of Penn State University Police Detective Schreffler’s decision to close the 1998 case in which Sandusky admitted to him he “bear hugged” a child while showering with the boy because there was “nothing to it“, Penn State Senior V.P. Gary Schultz told the Center County Grand Jury:
… the 1998 incident was reviewed by the University Police and “the child protection agency” with the blessing of then-University counsel Wendell Courtney. Courtney was then and remains counsel for The Second Mile.
Courtney resigned as counsel of The Second Mile on Monday and was replaced in that capacity by Penn State in 2010.
While Courtney’s lack of action as it pertains to Sandusky’s future conduct imperiled the lives of countless children in future years, Courtney’s similar do-nothing stance at a Sept. 21, 2001, Penn State Board of Trustees meeting set the stage for the school to facilitate - literally - Sandusky preying on children in a more discreet and insidious way.
On Sept. 21, 2001, the Penn State Board of Trustees, with Courtney in attendance, decided to sell a 40 acre parcel of land to Sandusky’s Second Mile charity. On the same day, the transaction was announced to the public on Penn State’s official website:
The University will sell 40.7 acres in Patton Township to the Second Mile, former Penn State football defensive coach Jerry Sandusky’s non-profit group for prevention, early intervention and community-based programs for Pennsylvania youth. The mission of Second Mile is to challenge young people to achieve their potential as individuals and community members by providing opportunities for them to develop positive life skills and self-esteem.
So Penn State itself provided the land upon which the culimination of Sandusky’s lifelong devotion to the sexual abuse of children is currently being constructed.
But that transaction never had to happen had Courtney, who by then was well aware of the allegations of child sexual abuse by Sandusky on Penn State’s campus in 1998, said something.
Anything.
After the Grand Jury report was released, Courtney denied he was counsel for The Second Mile when he learned the details of Penn State’s police report about Sandusky in 1998.
In response to Courtney’s denial, Nils Frederiksen, a spokesman for state Attorney General Linda Kelly said:
“It’s clear from the findings of the grand jury that Mr. Courtney had direct dealings with both Penn State and The Second Mile and he had knowledge and was aware of the 1998 incident.
“The grand jury findings are based on evidence and testimony. There’s no dispute he had interaction with both [Penn State and The Second Mile]. If he wants to engage in semantics, so be it.”
There’s also no dispute that Courtney’s wife Linette was on The Second Mile Board of Directors in 2001, which was previously listed on the charity’s website. And that Courtney’s colleague at the legal firm McQuaide Blasko, attorney Dan Bright, remains on The Second Mile’s Board of Directors to this day. (In what surely is a complete coincidence, Bright removed the mention of his Board member status with The Second Mile on his company website profile after the Grand Jury report came out.)
While the failure of so many at Penn State and The Second Mile to place the welfare of children above their own personal desires has now been established, the lack of action taken by the highest law enforcement official in the state during much of the current Sandusky investigation has yet to be explained. At least sufficiently.
Perhaps that has something to do with that same person being the current Governor of Pennsylvania, Tom Corbett.
Corbett was the state’s Attorney General when the first break in the current Sandusky case took place. In 2008, according to the Grand Jury report, it was first learned that Sandusky had forcibly performed oral sex on an early-teens boy more than 20 times, and forced the child to perform oral sex on the former Penn State Defensive Coordinator.
Because the crimes took place in State College, the local District Attorney, citing a conflict of interest because of Sandusky’s stature at Penn State, referred the case to Corbett’s office. Despite the appalling nature of the 2008 charges against Sandusky, and the fact that he still had access to thousands of vulnerable children at The Second Mile, now-Governor Corbett only assigned a single state trooper to investigate the case in March, 2009.
The Second Mile was never notified by Corbett - or anyone in law enforcement for that matter - that Corbett’s investigation had evidence that the children’s charity founder was a child rapist.
Or that Sandusky was being investigated at all!
Incredibly, Sandusky notified The Second Mile in 2008 that he was being investigated, but Corbett’s office never did.
The Second Mile was finally notified in 2011 of the investigation into its founder by the Attorney General who succeeded Corbett, Linda Kelly.
Nearly two years after Corbett assigned a single investigator to the Sandusky child rape case, no progress had been made. In the fall of 2010, with Attorney General Corbett in the middle of his campaign for Governor, his office took over direct supervision of the case.
As reported by Sara Ganim of the HARRISBURG PATRIOT-NEWS, “one of the first things that happened was the discovery of a 1998 Sandusky report in the files of the Penn State police.”
So Corbett, who was now directly supervising the case, had documented evidence of another accusation against Sandusky. Shortly thereafter, McQueary gave his account of the 2002 Sandusky shower rape of a 10-year-old boy in the Penn State locker room to authorities.
But while the case now appeared ready to explode, Corbett, who was in the final throes of his gubernatorial run, didn’t beef up his investigation. In fact, it took Corbett’s departure as Attorney General at the end of 2010 for Pennsylvania State Police Commissioner Frank Noonan to add investigators to the case.
Eight, to be exact.
Having clearly soft-pedaled the Sandusky investigation during his campaign for governor, Corbett soon learned that even as the highest official in the state he couldn’t escape an issue related to Sandusky’s sexual abuse of children.
On Dec. 31, 2010, the PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW reported:
Gov.-elect Tom Corbett, confronted with new spending figures Thursday, said he will review Gov. Ed Rendell’s last-minute, multimillion-dollar grant awards closely when he takes office next month.
“We will review everything that isn’t signed, sealed and delivered,” Corbett said.
Among those grants was a $3 million award to The Second Mile which would essentially consumate the construction of Sandusky’s beloved, pet project.
Seven months later, on July 20, 2011, then-Second Mile CEO Jack Raykovitz received the following letter:
“The Office of the Budget has completed its review of The Second Mile Learning Center project and I am pleased to inform you that Governor Corbett has approved the Commonwealth’s commitment of $3,000,000 in RACP funding for this project.”
Corbett followed with his own press release detailing the “re-release” of state funds to the children’s charity founded by a man who - by then - Corbett personally knew had been sexual abusing children for at least over a decade. And was free to continue to do it.
Despite the news media having now exposed Corbett’s horrific so-called oversight, the Governor hasn’t exactly backpedaled from his decision.
Instead, today he lauded the charity founded by Sandusky and tried to defend his decision to fund construction of “The Second Mile Center for Excellence”:
“Yes I knew this (Sandusky investigation was under way), but I could not act publicly on this without saying certain things that would have possibly compromised the investigation. So eventually we did approve it.”
Remember, Corbett first blocked the grant, vowing to “review everything that isn’t signed, sealed and delivered.”
Seven months later, he personally signed off on it.
Corbett is no different than anyone at Penn State, including Joe Paterno, who covered up child rape for the sake of their own peronal well-being. Corbett, in my opinion, did virtually nothing to advance a case against a child rapist then-currently immersed in a children’s charity because he thought it would injure his run for governor.
Caught supporting the culimination of Sandusky’s child rape-enabling charity despite intimate knowledge of Sandusky’s crimes against humanity, Corbett said today he’s now “pulling back” the funding. Reluctantly!
“The Second Mile had good purposes and I would like to see it go forward. I don’t know that it’s going to be able to continue to go forward, and I would hope that there would be a successor organization… to help children in that area. But right now, we have to pull back that proposal.”
I’d say “too little, too late” but that’d be overstating Corbett’s contribution to stopping a child rapist who has likely preyed on the children of Corbett’s Pennsylvania for decades.
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Former Graduate Assistant Blasts Joe Paterno: “It’s like Madoff. Not only did he cover it up, there’s no way this wasn’t apparent.”
November 16, 2011 – 5:50 am by Michael Bean
Meet Matt Paknis. Now 49 years old, Paknis was a former victim of sexual abuse as a child and also a one time graduate assistant under Joe Paterno in the late 1980′s. Whether that means we should pay particularly close attention to him or if we should be wary of what he has to say on the subject is unclear. But having spent so much time around Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program, his take is certainly well worth listening to. Paknis sounds like a stable, reasonable man, and if he is in fact speaking what he believes to be truths, then what he has to say about Paterno and Jerry Sandusky is certainly quite interesting, revealing and damning. Take a listen to the 20 minute candid interview using the link below, or read on for the transcription of what I’d say is at least 90 percent of Paknis’s conversation with Mike Francesca on Tuesday.
Matt Paknis, a former Graduate Assistant under Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky in the late 1980′s, joined WFAN in New York to talk about his connection with Paterno, Sandusky and the Penn State program, what his relationship with Sandusky was like during his time as a graduate assistant in the late 1980s, if he remekisnermbers seeing or being suspicious of Sandusky behaving inappropriately around kids, how much contact he had with Paterno as a GA, his assessment of Paterno and Sandusky’s relationship back then, why he thinks there’s no way that a man as all-knowing and powerful as Paterno could have possibly not known about Sandusky being investigated on sexual abuse against minors allegations, Paterno and the PSU program’s image being fraudulent and more a product of media spin rather than true integrity, an example being how Paterno refused to play a black quarterback because the program ‘wasn’t ready’, being a victim of sexual abuse as a child himself, how that experience growing up as affected his reaction to this story, and why he personally believes that Paterno’s involvement in protecting his own image and the brand of the program is similar to how he’d manage and attend to other matters in the years he served as a GA under Paterno.
On what his connection and back-story with Penn State is:
“I was a coach that applied for that job in ’86. I had actually applied two or three years in a row, but I had coached two years after graduating from Brown, and then I went down and I was awarded the position there. I was the first kid on the staff, and the youngest kid on the staff where I was the only opening that year, so the other four GAs were coming back for their second years. And we were the reigning national champs, and Joe was the Sportsman of the Year at the time.”
What his relationship with Sandusky was like:
“Yeah, it was a cordial relationship. I was obviously on the other side of the ball — I was an offensive line coach and he was a defensive coordinator and a linebackers coach. And like I said in the blog, he was always pleasant to me from a distance, and he would also what I felt with my own personal background, I always felt he was always a bit too touchy and grabby with the kids. I just knew, but as a coach, you’re not supposed to touch kids. We had all those kids up there for camps in the summer. I just felt it was a boundary issue more than anything.”
Does he remember seeing Sandusky around kids during their time together on the PSU staff:
“From what I remember, he was always kind of like the Pide Piper. There were always kids around.”
How much contact did he have with Paterno during his time as a graduate assistant there:
“Very little. Ironically our names…my name ends with a ‘PA’ and his name ends with a ‘PA’, so our lockers were right next to one another. So there was some sidelines communications and whatever, but you’ve got to remember, I was the lowest of the low man on the totem pole.”
What exactly did a grad assistant do at that time:
“Four to five films for each game, on the field responsible for the tackles, leading all the look squad in the practice, the defensive look squad going against the offense, so in charge of those guys. So it was a pretty engaging process.”
On what he can share about Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky’s relationship during his time at Penn State:
“This is bizarre and I don’t want to sound sensationalist, but there was a unique dynamic there that I could never really put my finger on. But you talked to my friends and my roommates, and I’ve been claiming this since I was there, I said there was just something really strange there. I never went to school there, I didn’t play for Joe — we actually played against them when I was a junior. But Jerry would actually come up to me sometimes and say ‘I hate that guy.’ And I was like ‘where’s that coming from.’ But I never really bought into it; I always just kind of blew it off. And I didn’t know where it was coming from, so I just thought I don’t want to get involved with that and mind my own business.”
Could there have possibly been an extensive preliminary report about allegations concerning Sandusky without Paterno knowing about it:
“Impossible, impossible. Joe knows everything, Joe knows everything — everything that goes on at that campus, everything that goes on clearly in the football program. They actually called him….because I had some friends that were in graduate school when Joe was there, they might have been GAs, one of the guys I coached with early in my life Dave Pagneti, he said they called Joe ‘The Rat’, and that’s been confirmed by other guys that have played there because he would go to Rip Engle and say ‘that guy drank a beer, that guy missed a class, he would never address the guys directly. So that was always his M.O. He would always have the leverage, but he would never address the guys, he would go to Rip and use that leverage.”
If Paterno and the program was as squeaky clean and dignified as the public perceives:
“Well Mike, three things stick out in my mind from my experience from what I can remember, it was a long time ago. One is I grew up in a mixed neighborhood in New Jersey, and my first friend was African American, and I was in a staff meeting one time and we were having some problems at quarterback with Kisner, and someone recommended what about Darren Roberts? He was an All State quarterback from New Jersey. And Coach just said we’re not ready for a black quarterback. And we had Ron Dickerson in the room who was an assistant, and he just went ballistic which I always thought was pretty cool that he stood up to Joe. But Randall Cunningham was the starting quarterback at the time for the Eagles. But Darren never got a chance for us; I don’t know why, but that was stated in the room. So clearly that’s one incident where if any manager in corporate America said that, they’d be gone the next day. Another time, just the academic adviser coming over shaking his head and saying ‘it’s happening again.’ Coach would pull guys and make sure they were going to practice rather than going to class and he’d say ‘he can’t take that class, it’s during practice.’ So pretty much all the stuff that they projected was controlled spin.”
Did he think that Sandusky’s retirement in 1999 was the result of Paterno telling him that there’s no way he could be head coach because of the likelihood that news would break of his wrongdoings:
“I think there was a mutual agreement that he was just going to retire. He just said ‘well, if I’m not getting the head coaching job, I’m out of here.’”
Is it possible that Paterno could have tried to cover this up:
“Absolutely. I mean, fights, behavior problems anything like that never reached the local paper. It was a controlled environment. There’s no question. You’ve been out there, right?”
So he has no trouble believing that Paterno would have tried to cover up Sandusky’s alleged crimes:
“Yeah, it’s like the [Bernie] Madoff thing. Not only did he cover it up, but there’s no way that this wasn’t apparent. Like I said, when I was there I’m like going 100 miles per hour going to class, going to practice, just all that stuff — I noticed that he had kids around and it kind of bothered me the way he was pinching them and all that stuff, but other than that, I didn’t see anything like that. But to live there, to be there and be part of the process, it’s very hard for me to think that they didn’t know.”
Is it correct that he himself was sexually abused as a child:
“I’m a survivor of childhood sexual abuse over a three-year period.”
Who was the perpetrator:
“It was a neighbor. My mother was diagnosed with a malignant melanoma in her lymph nodes when I was eight years old, and so she went in for drastic radical surgery. The family was in crisis and the neighbor feigned interest in me, and it was a grooming process just like this.”
If his experiences of abuse made him feel inclined to speak up:
“I’m tired of this. I’m tired of these guys just putting up this scam. And when I read that, I was just like the reason that I got into coaching was I wanted to help in the way that my coach in Madison, New Jersey, Ted Monica, helped me. It just had a tremendous influence on all of our lives in turning this around, and for me in particular, coming off fro what I had as a kid, that was the one thing I wanted to do. So if these guys were actually destroying lives using that same vehicle — football — I can’t describe to you what it did to me. And I just said ‘that’s enough.’ With my personal stuff I’m a very private person. I just got off the phone with my best friend and he didn’t know.”
Does it all add up now about Sandusky when thinking back about him then after hearing the allegations brought against him today:
“Yeah they do, they do. Just the way he set up that not for profit, he was like a fox in a hen house. And you’ve got to remember, these kids were vulnerable, they didn’t have any dads, they didn’t have the financial support. So he knew they didn’t have anywhere to turn. It’s just about the most evil thing I’ve ever seen.”
If he’d say that Paterno was more interested in protecting his own name and the brand of the program over doing what was right:
“There’s no question, I wrote in my blog that when he had the opportunity to really demonstrate true integrity and character, he turned and protected himself. And that was his M.O. He used to turn and protect himself by turning to Rip; he was always protected. So instead of going out and helping an eight-year old kid or a ten-year old kid that was being sodomized by his key assistant, he just dropped the ball. And that’s inexcusable. Inexcusable.”
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I knew there were reasons I never liked Franco Harris. He has confirmed why.
http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/33339614
A casino didn't even like his defending Joe Paterno. LOL
http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/33339614
A casino didn't even like his defending Joe Paterno. LOL
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I had dinner with 2 business owners yesterday, one of them who makes 7 figures and had this exact conversation about transferring the house into the spouses name. Both confirmed that they have had financial planners suggest this scenario. So I find it hard to believe why a tax guy hasn't heard of this practice.
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The fact nobody brought it up or reported it to police is really mystifying. Did Sandusky have dirt on them? I am guessing there were certain practices going on at Penn that were gross violations of NCAA regulations or worse. If you have a group involved in something illegal, and one is breaking some other law, you don't rat him out or the whole thing comes crashing down. That's why Paterno hated him, it was a double blackmail situation, and to keep himself out of hot water he had to watch this guy prey on young children. Assistant coaches get fired all the time, I mean what sort of power did Sandusky have to be untouchable? The whole thing stinks, and my guess is that Sandusky probably threatened the entire football program if he was exposed.
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Every state's probate laws are different. In Florida, if a home is in joint names (as I would assume JoPa's home would be...could be wrong), once one spouse dies, the home automatically goes to the spouse. No estate taxes would be due as it would be considered homestead property. Like I said, it's different everywhere, but if it is true that his estate would be taxed, that should be fixed. I don't think that's fair to the surviving spouse.
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...and now Syracuse.
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Bernie Fine target of police inquiry
Syracuse police say they are investigating an allegation that Syracuse University assistant basketball coach Bernie Fine molested a team ball boy for more than a dozen years beginning in the mid-1980s.
Police stressed to Outside The Lines they are in the early stages of the investigation.
The alleged victim, Bobby Davis, now 39, told Outside the Lines that Fine molested him beginning in 1983 shortly before Davis entered the seventh grade. Davis, the team's ball boy for six years beginning in 1984, said the abuse occurred at Fine's home, at the Syracuse basketball facilities, and on road trips, including the 1987 Final Four.
In addition, a second man -- a relative of Davis -- told OTL that he was also molested by Fine around the same time as the first boy.
Fine is now in his 35th season as an assistant to head coach Jim Boeheim.
Davis said he never told Boeheim about the alleged abuse.
Kevin Quinn, Syracuse's senior vice president for public affairs, issued a statement on behalf of the school: "In 2005, Syracuse University was contacted by an adult male who told us that he had reported to the Syracuse City Police that he had been subjected to inappropriate contact by an associate men's basketball coach. The alleged activity took place in the 1980's and 1990's. We were informed by the complainant that the Syracuse City Police had declined to pursue the matter because the statute of limitations had expired.
"On hearing of the allegations in 2005, the University immediately launched its own comprehensive investigation through its legal counsel. That nearly four-month long investigation included a number of interviews with people the complainant said would support his claims. All of those identified by the complainant denied any knowledge of wrongful conduct by the associate coach. The associate coach also vehemently denied the allegations.
"Syracuse University takes any allegation of this sort extremely seriously and has zero tolerance for abuse of any kind. If any evidence or corroboration of the allegations had surfaced, we would have terminated the associated coach and reported it to the police immediately. We understand that the Syracuse City Police has now reopened the case, and Syracuse University will cooperate fully. We are steadfastly committed ensuring that SU remains a safe place for every member of our campus community."
Messages were left for Fine and Boeheim.
A source told Outside the Lines that Syracuse police and a high-ranking member of the Syracuse University police met on Thursday to discuss the allegation by Davis.
Davis said that Fine molested him at Fine's home, at the basketball facilities at Syracuse, on recruiting road trips and even at the 1987 Final Four. Davis said he was Fine's constant companion at all those places. He said that Boeheim would come into Fine's room, and see Davis lying on the Fine's bed, but never asked him any questions.
Davis said sexual contact with Fine continued until he was around 27.
Davis said he felt bitter emotions over the molestation as sex scandals have emerged in the Catholic Church and lately with former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.
Davis said he reported the abuse to Syracuse police in 2003, but that a detective told him that the statute of limitations had run out. Davis said the detective told him that if he knew of boys being molested by Fine at the time, that Syracuse police would investigate those allegations. Davis said he told the detective that he thought other boys were being molested but that he had only direct knowledge of Fine molesting him.
At the time, the Syracuse police chief was Dennis Duval, a former Syracuse basketball player. Duval, who retired in 2004, could not be reached for comment. He played at Syracuse from 1971 to 1974, and started with the Syracuse Police Department in 1978. Boeheim became the head coach at Syracuse in 1976, but began as a graduate assistant in 1969.
Outside the Lines investigated Davis's story in 2003 but decided not to run the story because there were no other victims who would talk, and no independent evidence to corroborate the boy's story. In recent days, a second man contacted Outside the Lines with information alleging that Fine had also molested him. That man said he was inspired to finally talk after seeing news coverage of the Sandusky case.
Davis said he first met Fine in 1983 while selling candy in his neighborhood door to door. Fine said Fine lived about four blocks from his home, where Davis lived with his mother (he didn't have a father living him). He said he soon began to regard the generous Fine as a father figure.
He said Fine was nice to him and invited him over to his house. The boy said that Fine eventually made him a Syracuse ball boy. Davis said he would travel with Fine to events such as the Big Orange Basketball camp. Once, during the summer before his seventh grade year, he stayed over with Fine before the start of camp. That's when the abuse began, he said.
"I would go on recruiting trips with him, stay in hotels with him," Davis told ESPN in 2003. "I stayed in many hotels with him. At the (1987) Final Four. I would get there a day earlier than Laurie (Fine's wife) and the kids sometimes and we'd spend the night all alone in a hotel room many times."
He said that Boeheim knew he was traveling on the road and sleeping in Fine's room.
"Boeheim saw me with Bernie all the time in the hotel rooms, on road trips," Davis said. "He'd come in, and see me laying in the bed, kind of glance at me like, 'What are you doing here?' But he wouldn't say that. He'd just scowl. And I would look at him like, I'd be nervous. I felt embarrassed 'cause I felt stupid that I'm there. I'm not supposed to be here. I know it, and Boeheim's not stupid."
Davis said the abuse occurred several times at Manley Fieldhouse, where Syracuse used to play basketball games and the team had offices.
Davis's mother, Cathy Pitts, said Thursday she didn't know about any of the allegations until he did an interview with ESPN in 2003.
"I was very upset," she said of learning of the allegations then. "I wished I knew when he was little. I would have done something then. There was nothing I could do after the fact. He was older. He said he got it together, and he talked to a priest and got all kinds of guidance and counseling. He said he's fine. I believe him. He seems to be fine."
She said when Davis was young, he "was with Bernie Fine quite a bit." She said he traveled with the team extensively, though she said he did not on trips when flights were required because he didn't like to fly. The 1987 Final Four, where Davis said he went with Fine, was in New Orleans.
She said she was unaware he was talking about this in recent days. "I really think he wants to be left alone," she said.
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Bernie Fine target of police inquiry
Syracuse police say they are investigating an allegation that Syracuse University assistant basketball coach Bernie Fine molested a team ball boy for more than a dozen years beginning in the mid-1980s.
Police stressed to Outside The Lines they are in the early stages of the investigation.
The alleged victim, Bobby Davis, now 39, told Outside the Lines that Fine molested him beginning in 1983 shortly before Davis entered the seventh grade. Davis, the team's ball boy for six years beginning in 1984, said the abuse occurred at Fine's home, at the Syracuse basketball facilities, and on road trips, including the 1987 Final Four.
In addition, a second man -- a relative of Davis -- told OTL that he was also molested by Fine around the same time as the first boy.
Fine is now in his 35th season as an assistant to head coach Jim Boeheim.
Davis said he never told Boeheim about the alleged abuse.
Kevin Quinn, Syracuse's senior vice president for public affairs, issued a statement on behalf of the school: "In 2005, Syracuse University was contacted by an adult male who told us that he had reported to the Syracuse City Police that he had been subjected to inappropriate contact by an associate men's basketball coach. The alleged activity took place in the 1980's and 1990's. We were informed by the complainant that the Syracuse City Police had declined to pursue the matter because the statute of limitations had expired.
"On hearing of the allegations in 2005, the University immediately launched its own comprehensive investigation through its legal counsel. That nearly four-month long investigation included a number of interviews with people the complainant said would support his claims. All of those identified by the complainant denied any knowledge of wrongful conduct by the associate coach. The associate coach also vehemently denied the allegations.
"Syracuse University takes any allegation of this sort extremely seriously and has zero tolerance for abuse of any kind. If any evidence or corroboration of the allegations had surfaced, we would have terminated the associated coach and reported it to the police immediately. We understand that the Syracuse City Police has now reopened the case, and Syracuse University will cooperate fully. We are steadfastly committed ensuring that SU remains a safe place for every member of our campus community."
Messages were left for Fine and Boeheim.
A source told Outside the Lines that Syracuse police and a high-ranking member of the Syracuse University police met on Thursday to discuss the allegation by Davis.
Davis said that Fine molested him at Fine's home, at the basketball facilities at Syracuse, on recruiting road trips and even at the 1987 Final Four. Davis said he was Fine's constant companion at all those places. He said that Boeheim would come into Fine's room, and see Davis lying on the Fine's bed, but never asked him any questions.
Davis said sexual contact with Fine continued until he was around 27.
Davis said he felt bitter emotions over the molestation as sex scandals have emerged in the Catholic Church and lately with former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.
Davis said he reported the abuse to Syracuse police in 2003, but that a detective told him that the statute of limitations had run out. Davis said the detective told him that if he knew of boys being molested by Fine at the time, that Syracuse police would investigate those allegations. Davis said he told the detective that he thought other boys were being molested but that he had only direct knowledge of Fine molesting him.
At the time, the Syracuse police chief was Dennis Duval, a former Syracuse basketball player. Duval, who retired in 2004, could not be reached for comment. He played at Syracuse from 1971 to 1974, and started with the Syracuse Police Department in 1978. Boeheim became the head coach at Syracuse in 1976, but began as a graduate assistant in 1969.
Outside the Lines investigated Davis's story in 2003 but decided not to run the story because there were no other victims who would talk, and no independent evidence to corroborate the boy's story. In recent days, a second man contacted Outside the Lines with information alleging that Fine had also molested him. That man said he was inspired to finally talk after seeing news coverage of the Sandusky case.
Davis said he first met Fine in 1983 while selling candy in his neighborhood door to door. Fine said Fine lived about four blocks from his home, where Davis lived with his mother (he didn't have a father living him). He said he soon began to regard the generous Fine as a father figure.
He said Fine was nice to him and invited him over to his house. The boy said that Fine eventually made him a Syracuse ball boy. Davis said he would travel with Fine to events such as the Big Orange Basketball camp. Once, during the summer before his seventh grade year, he stayed over with Fine before the start of camp. That's when the abuse began, he said.
"I would go on recruiting trips with him, stay in hotels with him," Davis told ESPN in 2003. "I stayed in many hotels with him. At the (1987) Final Four. I would get there a day earlier than Laurie (Fine's wife) and the kids sometimes and we'd spend the night all alone in a hotel room many times."
He said that Boeheim knew he was traveling on the road and sleeping in Fine's room.
"Boeheim saw me with Bernie all the time in the hotel rooms, on road trips," Davis said. "He'd come in, and see me laying in the bed, kind of glance at me like, 'What are you doing here?' But he wouldn't say that. He'd just scowl. And I would look at him like, I'd be nervous. I felt embarrassed 'cause I felt stupid that I'm there. I'm not supposed to be here. I know it, and Boeheim's not stupid."
Davis said the abuse occurred several times at Manley Fieldhouse, where Syracuse used to play basketball games and the team had offices.
Davis's mother, Cathy Pitts, said Thursday she didn't know about any of the allegations until he did an interview with ESPN in 2003.
"I was very upset," she said of learning of the allegations then. "I wished I knew when he was little. I would have done something then. There was nothing I could do after the fact. He was older. He said he got it together, and he talked to a priest and got all kinds of guidance and counseling. He said he's fine. I believe him. He seems to be fine."
She said when Davis was young, he "was with Bernie Fine quite a bit." She said he traveled with the team extensively, though she said he did not on trips when flights were required because he didn't like to fly. The 1987 Final Four, where Davis said he went with Fine, was in New Orleans.
She said she was unaware he was talking about this in recent days. "I really think he wants to be left alone," she said.
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Sorry for going OT, it fits this topic but ESPN is now reporting the Syracuse basketball assistant coach Bernie Fine for sexual abuse/molesting on a ball boy that lasted for more than a dozen years.
The link is here: http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...investigating-bernie-fine-molesting-boy-1980s (I figured we could just combine the two topics)
The link is here: http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...investigating-bernie-fine-molesting-boy-1980s (I figured we could just combine the two topics)
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holy FUCK I called the Syracuse thing.
I was watching Outside the Lines and some dude from Syracuse was ripping Sandusky a new asshole and I thought how funny it would be if 'Cuse got busted for the same thing.
haha fucking oranges
I was watching Outside the Lines and some dude from Syracuse was ripping Sandusky a new asshole and I thought how funny it would be if 'Cuse got busted for the same thing.
haha fucking oranges
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The best one was...Two Penn State assistants walk into a butt...and then went to commercial, hahah i was cracking up
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I wonder what would happen if he told his doctor he was having trouble breathing and the doctor did nothing about it.............