Perception of Dolans vs Attendance

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Huber.

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I would say some communications/marketing classes.

Whoever said he comes off as having a lack of awareness and being tone deaf nailed it.
They made a crappy TV station, sold it for a crappy TV deal, now they're losing major sponsors and seem to be panhandling because of it. Not good.
 

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They made a crappy TV station, sold it for a crappy TV deal, now they're losing major sponsors and seem to be panhandling because of it. Not good.
Hopefully we get a better TV deal in 2023 once this current one expires
 

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That's interesting considering their deal gave them the ATMs in the park, too. Were the fees not piling up the way they though it would?
No idea the politics, and I think there still may be some presence leftover. But it was rather large pullout which I'm sure was not welcome news.
 

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They made a crappy TV station, sold it for a crappy TV deal, now they're losing major sponsors and seem to be panhandling because of it. Not good.
Completely disagree with that.

They made $230 million selling that crappy TV station.

That crappy TV deal was a 21% increase over what the Indians were getting from STO before the new deal. That is hardly a bad deal. Viewership is now up, and if it stays up, there will be a better deal to be signed in 2 years.
 

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Question for @AZ_ - does Dolan have someone who reviews his prepared remarks, in the same way a politician would have someone help write/review them? Not sure if this is customary in pro sports or not. I ask because that first paragraph was really poorly written and easily comes off as him pandering to "high rollers"...a few word choice changes would've gone a long way.
 

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Question for @AZ_ - does Dolan have someone who reviews his prepared remarks, in the same way a politician would have someone help write/review them? Not sure if this is customary in pro sports or not. I ask because that first paragraph was really poorly written and easily comes off as him pandering to "high rollers"...a few word choice changes would've gone a long way.
Not 100 percent sure, but I'd imagine Indians VP Curtis Danburg has a weigh-in with regards to the context of his remarks.

That said, I don't know that Indians PR would be preparing full remarks in a speech like this. Dolan likely gets input from folks on his own business PR team and with Indians PR (Danburg), but the remarks last night definitely seem like something that was a drop-in and completely off the cuff.

JMO as someone who has prepared remarks before.
 

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Completely disagree with that.

They made $230 million selling that crappy TV station.

That crappy TV deal was a 21% increase over what the Indians were getting from STO before the new deal. That is hardly a bad deal. Viewership is now up, and if it stays up, there will be a better deal to be signed in 2 years.
Crains Cleveland claims the deal isn't up until 2027.
 

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Crains Cleveland claims the deal isn't up until 2027.
It was reported at the time to be 10 year, $400 million. I do see the article you mentioned, where they say it is at least 10 years and they have a source that says 2027. I do not see anywhere else where that is mentioned. I also came across one that said this was the largest deal in the AL Central when it was signed.
 

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Lacking the actual information, I think it's reasonable to assume that teams with lower attendance will Generally be realizing lower revenues. Reports like this are interesting, but lack meaning without the context of league-wide info. Of course, I'd LOVE to see some league-wide charts of solid data, but as that article indicates, everything released to the public is purposefully uninformative.
 

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RankTeamPayroll2019 AttendanceMoney spent per attendee
1Miami Marlins$78,280,346811,302$96
2Seattle Mariners$149,820,3781,791,937$84
3Boston Red Sox$243,751,5412,924,627$83
4Detroit Tigers$117,602,6591,501,430$78
5Cincinnati Reds$137,502,4691,808,685$76
6Texas Rangers$155,526,4732,135,510$73
7New York Yankees$235,723,8313,304,404$71
8Washington Nationals$162,658,0262,294,152$71
9Chicago Cubs$216,375,1903,094,865$70
10Toronto Blue Jays$118,257,4961,750,144$68
11Houston Astros$186,578,7312,857,367$65
12New York Mets$156,862,3942,442,532$64
13San Francisco Giants$174,888,9412,727,421$64
14Philadelphia Phillies$172,300,0502,707,760$64
15Cleveland Indians$107,839,1481,738,642$62
16Atlanta Braves$162,958,2552,654,920$61
17Chicago White Sox$98,818,7701,629,636$61
18Kansas City Royals$89,131,4531,479,659$60
19Los Angeles Angels$181,582,7213,023,010$60
20Tampa Bay Rays$68,601,4481,178,735$58
21Oakland Athletics$96,274,8621,662,211$58
22Arizona Diamondbacks$121,878,2632,133,004$57
23Baltimore Orioles$72,953,8071,307,807$56
24Minnesota Twins$125,933,7272,259,781$56
25Colorado Rockies$158,208,3922,993,244$53
26Los Angeles Dodgers$209,352,4773,974,309$53
27St. Louis Cardinals$177,983,8743,480,393$51
28San Diego Padres$120,363,8422,396,399$50
29Milwaukee Brewers$138,549,6332,923,333$47
30Pittsburgh Pirates$70,660,3081,491,429$47

RankTeamPayroll2017 AttendanceMoney spent per attendee
1Seattle182,242,3652,135,445$85.34
2Baltimore171,939,1832,028,424$84.76
3Detroit190,426,3512,321,599$82.02
4Boston211,908,3842,917,678$72.63
5Texas173,721,3162,507,760$69.27
6Cleveland138,846,7892,048,138$67.79
7NY Yankees212,993,2933,146,966$67.68
8Miami111,501,4151,651,997$67.49
9Kansas City149,467,6212,220,370$67.32
10Washington167,002,1782,524,980$66.14
11Los Angles Dodgers241,402,3003,765,856$64.10
12Tampa Bay$79,413,0951,253,619$63.35
13NY Mets150,392,2422,460,622$61.12
14Minnesota123,574,9802,051,279$60.24
15San Francisco196,154,8053,303,652$59.38
16Houston140,545,6492,403,671$58.47
17LA Angels174,731,5773,019,583$57.87
18Toronto181,888,4673,203,886$56.77
19Cincinnati102,948,8101,836,917$56.04
20Philadelphia106,600,4861,905,354$55.95
21Chicago White Sox90,389,2711,629,470$55.47
22Pittsburgh100,511,8791,919,447$52.37
23Oakland76,054,1701,475,721$51.54
24Chicago Cubs161,104,5553,199,562$50.35
25Colorado142,260,5672,953,650$48.16
26Atlanta111,406,5832,505,252$44.47
27Arizona92,258,0932,134,375$43.22
28St. Louis147,662,5963,447,937$42.83
29San Diego90,239,5262,138,491$42.20
30Milwaukee75,905,7272,558,722$29.67


Do with this information what you will
 
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All this looking at attendance numbers over the years has me wondering...

Why does Milwaukee have such great attendance year in and year out? Miller Park opened in 2001. They've made the playoffs just four times since then, but have cracked 2.5 million attendees in all but one year since 2007.
 

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All this looking at attendance numbers over the years has me wondering...

Why does Milwaukee have such great attendance year in and year out? Miller Park opened in 2001. They've made the playoffs just four times since then, but have cracked 2.5 million attendees in all but one year since 2007.
This doesn't explain it fully, but I imagine 2 contributing factors are the retractable roof and the close proximity to Chicago. The Cubs play there 10 times per year and their fans take over the stadium
 

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... It's gonna be called 'Cash Loans for Car Titles' Field next year, isn't it?
Times are tough.

They’re gonna have to split the sponsorship with Sugardale Coneys and their famous flying weiner dogs.

Cash Loans for Car Titles and Sugardale Coneys Weiner Dog Field.
 

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