Pitching

[petes999]

Now with Gose. I have a hunch he will get his command down. The voice towards him from peeps is just like what they thought of Hill a few seasons back. If Gose doesn't make the roster next season, then it's on Gose because he will have a legit chance.

From mlb.com, the said Gose was sent down to LC on July 15th to get down to opening 30 man roster at Progressive. Also, said
“We explained to him that he will be moving over to the Lake County facility and that it’s simply that he needs reps,” Francona said. “We actually love the arm, we love the kid, we love the potential.”

He should replace Perez next year

 

[Urban]

Ahh, Gose, the 30 year old converted reliever who walked a batter per inning last year in the minors...

 

[sportscoach]

Ahh, Gose, the 30 year old converted reliever who walked a batter per inning last year in the minors...

I am giving Gose the benefit of the doubt on the walks because of the amount of innings he has actually pitched. The Indians seem to be high on him and he is a rare lefty that hits the upper 90s if not touching 100. I dont look at his age because of the fact he changed positions. I look at the actual amount of innings pitched.

 

[Obscured By Clouds]

@jup, anything on the guys that came in pitching wise in the Clevinger trade. As always, your pitching knowledge is a godsend for us.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

@jup I'm eager to hear your breakdown of Quantrill.

I came in with a blank slate on him. The first slider he threw gave me Bieber feelings. The rest of his repertoire looked similar to me (obviously he doesn't have Bieber's curve or anything, but his fastball and slider felt Bieber-esque, and he has 4 pitches he can throw at any time). It feels like the Indians went out in search of another pitcher who fits that profile, and may have found one.

His control seemed worse than Bieber/Civale/Plesac--more in line with someone like Clevinger. Difficulty locating pitches at times, but when he has the feel and is in a groove, he can paint wherever he wants. Is there a balance issue in his delivery perhaps?

 

[Kiddo]

Plesac is off to a fantastic start this season, 2-1 in 4 starts with an ERA of 1.33. Averaging 7 innings of 4 hit ball per start and if eligible his WHIP leads all MLB starters at 0.67. Is he for real or is this a fluke?

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Plesac is off to a fantastic start this season, 2-1 in 4 starts with an ERA of 1.33. Averaging 7 innings of 4 hit ball per start and if eligible his WHIP leads all MLB starters at 0.67. Is he for real or is this a fluke?

I'd say both.

He's for real--he's pitching like a legitimately very good MLB pitcher.

His numbers certainly won't stay this good.

 

[Derek]

Plesac's K:BB is 15... that alone will set you up for ridiculous levels of success.

.203 BABIP is certainly flukey, but even so, his FIP is 2.59, which means that should he maintain his current level of command, he should have a lot of success even when his BABIP normalizes.

 

[DCTribefan]

@jup I'm eager to hear your breakdown of Quantrill.

I came in with a blank slate on him. The first slider he threw gave me Bieber feelings. The rest of his repertoire looked similar to me (obviously he doesn't have Bieber's curve or anything, but his fastball and slider felt Bieber-esque, and he has 4 pitches he can throw at any time). It feels like the Indians went out in search of another pitcher who fits that profile, and may have found one.

His control seemed worse than Bieber/Civale/Plesac--more in line with someone like Clevinger. Difficulty locating pitches at times, but when he has the feel and is in a groove, he can paint wherever he wants. Is there a balance issue in his delivery perhaps?

Jup has gone dark since Clevinger trade. Perhaps he’s upset that another of his boys has been traded?

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Fangraphs gives overall defensive grades for each team based on a number of factors. At this point the A's have the best defense at 42.9 The Pirates are by far the worst at -51.0 Average is 0.0

The Indians rank 3rd at 38.9.

My point is that when we see Indians' pitchers with lower than normal BABIP numbers it doesn't necessarily mean they've been extremely lucky and that those numbers will invariably "normalize". Tribe pitchers should have lower than normal numbers due to having a top three defense behind them. In terms of range (UZR/150) the Indians are ranked 1st by Fangraphs at 7.0. The next closest team is at 6.1. So the Indians fielders as a whole are 13% better in terms of covering the field than the second best team and extremely better than the average team.

We saw some of that last night when Naquin ran down a drive to the warning track with two out and two on and made an excellent running catch that had Plesac jumping up and down. We saw Lindor throw a guy out from deep on the hole on a throw he had to bounce. DeShields and Mercado have excellent range in center.

I doubt Plesac can maintain a .203 BABIP for an extended period of time, but he should be well below normal due to consistently inducing weak contact and being backed by a defense that easily has more range than any other team.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Jup has gone dark since Clevinger trade. Perhaps he’s upset that another of his boys has been traded?

I hope he's not upset that we didn't trade for Bauer. Or maybe he's just researching Quantrill, although he says he's not interested in relief pitchers.

 

[Derek]

Fangraphs gives overall defensive grades for each team based on a number of factors. At this point the A's have the best defense at 42.9 The Pirates are by far the worst at -51.0 Average is 0.0

The Indians rank 3rd at 38.9.

My point is that when we see Indians' pitchers with lower than normal BABIP numbers it doesn't necessarily mean they've been extremely lucky and that those numbers will invariably "normalize". Tribe pitchers should have lower than normal numbers due to having a top three defense behind them. In terms of range (UZR/150) the Indians are ranked 1st by Fangraphs at 7.0. The next closest team is at 6.1. So the Indians fielders as a whole are 13% better in terms of covering the field than the second best team and extremely better than the average team.

We saw some of that last night when Naquin ran down a drive to the warning track with two out and two on and made an excellent running catch that had Plesac jumping up and down. We saw Lindor throw a guy out from deep on the hole on a throw he had to bounce. DeShields and Mercado have excellent range in center.

I doubt Plesac can maintain a .203 BABIP for an extended period of time, but he should be well below normal due to consistently inducing weak contact and being backed by a defense that easily has more range than any other team.

Even the best/worst defensive teams end up with a BABIP within a certain range over time.

From my own personal research, .270 seems to be the low end for individual pitchers.


Team pitching stats 2010-present:


Individuals with 600+ innings 2010-Present:


Note: Jon Gray is on the high end at .321

 

[LL3]

I'd say both.

He's for real--he's pitching like a legitimately very good MLB pitcher.

His numbers certainly won't stay this good.

#TRUTH

 

[LL3]

Jup has gone dark since Clevinger trade. Perhaps he’s upset that another of his boys has been traded?

Probably just busy -- it happens to the best of us! From all I gather, he was not a huge Clev fan.

 

[Gson]

Probably just busy -- it happens to the best of us! From all I gather, he was not a huge Clev fan.

He, like many, wasn't thrilled with the extra curricular activity, but was fine with what Clevinger brought to the mound..

Quantill, when he gets on top of the ball while throwing the fastball has much better downward plane and run on his arm side.. Quantill brings the change & fastball out of the same tunnel.. When he brings the high heat following a change up, catching batters in between.... he's unhittable. With his long long stride, the velo on the FB plays up.. The long double Quantrill gave up to Franco was a mistake pitch.. that small lack of command, in a nutshell, is the area of his game that will need to improve. Quantrill is NO Bieber, however, he might become close to him after he has a chance to learn/mature with his skills and ability..

Btw.. Joey Cantillo.. is a LOT closer to what Bieber is than Quantrill.. Cantillo is just a mirror of the Biebs..

Thoughts?..