Point Guard Poll -- All Stiff Team!

[The Human Q-Tip]

Every team needs that the floor general who is responsible for maintaining overall flow, setting the offensive pace, and getting the most out of his teammates. In the case of the All-Stiff team, we're looking for the ultimate tank commander. The guy you'd want running (spasmodically) your offense if you absolutely, positively, need to lose as many games as possible.

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Milt Palacio

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Larry Hughes

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Kevin Ollie

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Mike Bratz

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David Wesley

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Lester "The Molester" Hudson

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Eric Snow

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Jawad Williams

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Isaiah Thomas

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Jeremy "Passport" Pargo

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[Derek]

What the hell kind of glitch is there in bballreference's system that Jawad Williams got classified as a PG?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I nominated three of these guys in the other thread -- Palacio, Hudson, and Pargo. But I personally believe Palacio has to be the choice if we're looking for the ultimate tank commander at PG. Here he is in the awful uniform of that era, wearing his usual "WTF am I supposed to do with this now" look on this face:





The General Patton of tank commanders, which is exactly what the Cavs needed for the season right before the 2003 Draft. When we first acquired this guy, the speculation was "well, maybe he can be our third PG in case someone gets injured." But he ended up being the starting PG for the majority of games that season, and it was, predictably a horror show as the Cavs racked up a 17-65 record. He couldn't shoot, he couldn't pass, and he couldn't defend.

As our starting point guard for 46 games -- and he played in 80 games that season - Palacio made exactly 8 three point shots all season. 8.

He shot under 42% from the field overall, averaged 3.2 APG, and 5.0 ppg, and he was our starting PG. And he didn't just suck with us. He managed to spend 7 years in the league, and had a negative OBPM, DPBM, and VORP every single season.

Patton couldn't be more proud.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

What the hell kind of glitch is there in bballreference's system that Jawad Williams got classified as a PG?

Maybe that explains why he looked like he had absolutely no idea what the fuck he was supposed to be doing when he was on the court?

On a related note, I do actually remember the Larry Hughes as PG experiment.

 

[cabs]

Eric Snow.

End of thread.

 

[cabs]

Snow was such a stiff he made Mo Williams look like an all star

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

We didn't Snow until near the end of his career. Throughout his career, he was never a good shooter, and was a decent distributor. But he was very good defensively.

There are other guys who sucked balls even in their prime.

 

[red.]

 

[cabs]

Andrew Harrison only played 10 games but boy was he horrific, probably worse than Pargo

 

[cabs]

Video quality has come a long way in a short amount of time

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Video quality has come a long way in a short amount of time

That's fortunate for Wesley, because that was a true "Shaqtin' the Fool" play.

But in fairness to Wesley, we got him at the tail end of a pretty successful 14 year career, and by that time he was 36 years old. Prior to that, he'd been a slightly worse offensively, but better defensively, version of Lou Williams, and was a starter for most of his career. Guess he was at the point that when he told his legs to "jump" for that layup, they told him to fuck-off and he clanged that sucker hard. But even in his final season, he was still a plus defensive player, which is pretty impressive for a 36 year old PG.

Guys like Palacio and Pargo were never any good, but how everyone chooses to factor that in is up to them.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Lots of people here overrating the Plastic Man Kevin Ollie.

That dude was fucking terrible. He made Eric Snow look like Steph Curry.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Lots of people here overrating the Plastic Man Kevin Ollie.

That dude was fucking terrible. He made Eric Snow look like Steph Curry.

If you didn't look too closely, it would be hard to tell the difference between Palacio, Pargo, Ollie, and Bratz.

Though it admittedly would have to be poor lighting if Bratz was out there too.

I gave it to Palacio because he actually led the most successful Cavs tank attack of all time.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Though some of it has to do with the overall age of the board, it's unreal how many stiffs surrounded LeBron though his first stint here and how many of them saw significant playing time. No wonder he got the fuck out of here when he did.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Though some of it has to do with the overall age of the board, it's unreal how many stiffs surrounded LeBron though his first stint here and how many of them saw significant playing time. No wonder he got the fuck out of here when he did.

Dude, some of those guys were so bad.

Remember trying to get hyped by guys like JR Bremer, Eric Williams and Kendrick Brown (who I got confused with Kendrick Perkins at the time.)