Poll for Decision on Rosario...

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What is Cleveland to do with Rosario!

  • Trade Rosario for best offer

    Votes: 28 59.6%
  • Trade Rosario for a specific position (aka like a LHRP)

    Votes: 4 8.5%
  • Extend Rosario

    Votes: 11 23.4%
  • Keep Rosario until his contract expires

    Votes: 4 8.5%

  • Total voters
    47

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Heard Hammy talking up Rosario on Saturday, basically saying "Rosario won't be traded and is absolutely in the teams long term plans. He's really improved his range this year and is a top SS in the Al. Fans can speculate all they want about different prospects." He also said Rosario is Jose's best friend on the team.
 

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Rosario has certainly had a quality campaign on both sides of the ball in 2022. If he is interested in a team friendly deal it should certainly be explored, but in the "bigger picture" sense, selling high, addressing another area of need, etc. seems to be a more likely play.

Didn't seem remotely possible Amed would play as a Guardian after 2022 just a few months ago, now it's at least 10%.
 

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I'm looking to trade him.

I appreciate what Amed has done.

If you asked this question two weeks ago, while he was ice cold, I wonder if people would give different answers as opposed to now, when he appears red hot?

His streakiness worries me. His proclivity to just put together terrible AB's, swinging at pitches nowhere near the zone, really bothers me. I see no reason to dedicate our limited cash to someone who likely isn't better than all of the prospects coming up behind him.
 

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I'm looking to trade him.

I appreciate what Amed has done.

If you asked this question two weeks ago, while he was ice cold, I wonder if people would give different answers as opposed to now, when he appears red hot?

His streakiness worries me. His proclivity to just put together terrible AB's, swinging at pitches nowhere near the zone, really bothers me. I see no reason to dedicate our limited cash to someone who likely isn't better than all of the prospects coming up behind him.
This^
 

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I’m okay with all the options as long as they don’t DFA him or whatever you call it when you don’t pickup his contract…..l
 

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I see no reason to dedicate our limited cash to someone who likely isn't better than all of the prospects coming up behind him.

That, to me, is the #1 reason we trade him.

If he had another year of a team-friendly deal, I wouldn't be looking to trade him, but the idea of extending or going to arbitration just doesn't make sense given our team and how our FO operates. We have too many young guys coming up who should be able to, at the worst, replicate his hitting but play better defense.

Also, his trade value may never be higher than it'll be this winter.

I like Rosario, he seems like a good guy and everything, but the timing of his contract's expiration and the club's minor league situation just make the outcome seem inevitable.
 

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I just don't think we'll necessarily be able to find a trade partner with the SS market the way it is unless we settle for a bag of baseballs, particularly in the week before Rule 5 which is when we'd ideally want to make the move. Usually in these situations Cleveland FO just sits on their hands and doesn't accept getting ripped off.

That being said I like the idea of the trade, but I can easily see it not happening even if the FO wants to in theory.

In that case, I'd like to see Amed play some 1B and LF. Maybe not both, that's a lot to ask, but I wonder if 1B is the more realistic option. At least in that case he'd be able to displace Owen MIller as someone who can actually hit lefties. Losing him would mean we lose one of the only guys who has a history of hitting lefties.

CF I'm not interested in, as we already have Straw and Kwan who can both play CF. Even if you don't like Straw, I think it's more realistic to expect Kwan to play CF and Amed LF than vice versa.

It seems like Arias is being groomed to do some of this but I doubt his bat can be counted on.
 

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Guys like Rosario don’t get extended. They bounce around the league on short-term deals (see: Cesar Hernandez)

A trade is the only thing that makes sense. Get a couple guys in the low minors and hope one pans out.
 

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I just don't think we'll necessarily be able to find a trade partner with the SS market the way it is unless we settle for a bag of baseballs, particularly in the week before Rule 5 which is when we'd ideally want to make the move. Usually in these situations Cleveland FO just sits on their hands and doesn't accept getting ripped off.

That being said I like the idea of the trade, but I can easily see it not happening even if the FO wants to in theory.

In that case, I'd like to see Amed play some 1B and LF. Maybe not both, that's a lot to ask, but I wonder if 1B is the more realistic option. At least in that case he'd be able to displace Owen MIller as someone who can actually hit lefties. Losing him would mean we lose one of the only guys who has a history of hitting lefties.

CF I'm not interested in, as we already have Straw and Kwan who can both play CF. Even if you don't like Straw, I think it's more realistic to expect Kwan to play CF and Amed LF than vice versa.

It seems like Arias is being groomed to do some of this but I doubt his bat can be counted on.
hmm...

the SS market.. can be defined by five stalwarts (some with opt-outs) and about a dozen guys who all fall below the "Rosario" line (hitting/fielding ability)..

The obvious top five (in any order), Tim Anderson, Trea Turner, Xander Bogaerts, Dansby Swanson and, the best of the bunch, Carlos Correa all carry at least 8 figure salaries and are either right at 30 years old or younger.. Only Tim Anderson's soon to be player option at 12.5 MM would be in the AAV salary range that a guy like Rosario might approach.. Everyone else is/was either a glove first or a better than a raw rookie player & 30 something in age.. IOW..not exactly what a "building" squad wants for the 2023 season and beyond..

Rosario will have a market.. Absolutely, his market will not surpass the top five guys.. It would be assumed that half or more of those top five guys will be retained by their club..

There are several clubs that spend (read: can extend) and have the talent to make a deal for Rosario. The Cardinals and the Dodgers (if Trea moves on) are the top two, imho..

Thoughts?
 
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hmm...

the SS market.. can be defined by five stalwarts (some with opt-outs) and about a dozen guys who all fall below the "Rosario" line (hitting/fielding ability)..

The obvious top five (in any order), Tim Anderson, Trea Turner, Xander Bogaerts, Dansby Swanson and, the best of the bunch, Carlos Correa all carry at least 8 figure salaries and are either right at 30 years old or younger.. Only Tim Anderson's soon to be player option at 12.5 MM would be in the AAV salary range that a guy like Rosario might approach.. Everyone else is/was either a glove first or a better than a raw rookie player & 30 something in age.. IOW..not exactly what a "building" squad wants for the 2023 season and beyond..

Rosario will have a market.. Absolutely, his market will not surpass the top five guys.. It would be assumed that half or more of those top five guys will be retained by their club..

There are several clubs that spend (read: can extend) and have the talent to make a deal for Rosario. The Cardinals and the Dodgers (if Trea moves on) are the top two, imho..

Thoughts?
I see there being less true landing places (teams that would want to pay for a rental) than there are free agent options, so we'll sort of have to get through those first who will likely go for those top 5, and then after that you're not going to get high bids. You're either going to have large market teams that are rebuilding that would dish out for a free agent, or small market teams that are going for it that don't want to dish out. The former is obviously not going to go for Rosario as they would give out the big contract thinking years in advance, but the latter could potentially get us something. Problem is I think we might be seeing the 2022 Correa type of deals pop up in which case the smaller market team goes for the better option rather than the cheaper one, without the long-term commitment. If these kind of deals are being made (and I don't know why they'd stop) then I think we end up in a situation where there's simply no market for a Rosario type.

I really do NOT see the Dodgers going cheap for Rosario. It is not their way. Cardinals being more of a medium market team will probably find a way to get a top 5 without committing themselves long term. Or should I say top 4 because is Anderson really going to be on the market? Looks like he has a club option...
 

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I am curious to see what kind of market will be out there for Amed after the season. I find uncertainty in the idea that it is only a SS market and it wouldn't surprise me to see a team willing to give him a chance at 2B. If that is true then his market could be much larger than most of us expect.
 

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I am curious to see what kind of market will be out there for Amed after the season. I find uncertainty in the idea that it is only a SS market and it wouldn't surprise me to see a team willing to give him a chance at 2B. If that is true then his market could be much larger than most of us expect.
I honestly see Amed as more of a 3B than a 2B if he is to move away from SS. It's just that we never had the space at 3B for him. He makes very few errors and generally makes good strong accurate throws, he doesn't seem to have great side to side agility (compare him to Gimenez for instance), so basically the tools that play up well at 3B but not at 2B.
 

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