The Chubb-Hub Yardage Delivery Service

[natedagg]

Great vision, and great feet for a bigger back. Also seems like a really high-character guy and great teammate.

According to PFF, he had the most missed tackles forced among all RB's over the last 2 years. And he's second only to Derrick Henry in terms of yards after contact.

That's just sick - how can one guy be both the most elusive back, and also the second most powerful? With this OL and this scheme, he should be looking north of 1500 yards.

The yardage total will be what it will be. It’s a blessing that it’ll end up less if Hunt plays well. Hunt is also fantastic. I hope Chubb gets 1200 yards and stays fresh and healthy but clearly, if we kept running him and gave him a ton of touches, he could get 1500 yards.
Like I said, I only watched the highlights, but dude looked so fresh. The only negative I saw was when he was carrying a guy near the left side of the goal line, that defender rolled on his feet awkwardly. It got me thinking: what’s ideal is just him playing hard and staying healthy more than anything else... and of course a couple of breakaways bc dude has the speed too.
If you want to know what a revolutionary offense looks like, which I don’t believe is sustainable but if we put one as FB and one as HB, that’s pretty much unstoppable since a D could never know which one would be which. If we can just probe that a little at a time, if we are in the hunt or do make the playoffs, that’s unstoppable w our current set of other skill players too.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The yardage total will be what it will be. It’s a blessing that it’ll end up less if Hunt plays well. Hunt is also fantastic. I hope Chubb gets 1200 yards and stays fresh and healthy but clearly, if we kept running him and gave him a ton of touches, he could get 1500 yards.
Like I said, I only watched the highlights, but dude looked so fresh. The only negative I saw was when he was carrying a guy near the left side of the goal line, that defender rolled on his feet awkwardly. It got me thinking: what’s ideal is just him playing hard and staying healthy more than anything else... and of course a couple of breakaways bc dude has the speed too.
If you want to know what a revolutionary offense looks like, which I don’t believe is sustainable but if we put one as FB and one as HB, that’s pretty much unstoppable since a D could never know which one would be which. If we can just probe that a little at a time, if we are in the hunt or do make the playoffs, that’s unstoppable w our current set of other skill players too.

Lots of possibililites because both are good blockers and good receivers.

 

[Randolphkeys]

If you want to know what a revolutionary offense looks like, which I don’t believe is sustainable but if we put one as FB and one as HB, that’s pretty much unstoppable since a D could never know which one would be which. If we can just probe that a little at a time, if we are in the hunt or do make the playoffs, that’s unstoppable w our current set of other skill players too.

I'm stoked for that grouping too, Nate. I don't know if this is our year to make the playoffs because of the injuries on the defensive side. I do know that the hardest adjustment for an opponent is something that no other team can do.

When the Steelers busted out a dual quarterback situation with a passer and Kordell Stewart to go with The Bus, they went far in the playoffs and won championships. There was no way to prepare.

When the Steelers were the only team using a 3-4 front with zone blitzes and everyone else ran a 4-3, they supported that weird offense. Again, no way to prepare in practice.

And when it's a "must-win" game I would love to see the Hunt/Chubb backfield out there, like an old school Rocky Blier and Franco Harris attack from when I was sitting at my dad's knee asking idiotic questions about this weird sport where men dress like robots and beat each other.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Great vision, and great feet for a bigger back. Also seems like a really high-character guy and great teammate.

According to PFF, he had the most missed tackles forced among all RB's over the last 2 years. And he's second only to Derrick Henry in terms of yards after contact.

That's just sick - how can one guy be both the most elusive back, and also the second most powerful? With this OL and this scheme, he should be looking north of 1500 yards.

Reminds me a bit of Jamal Lewis. Similar build and running style. Both bigger backs that are decisive and deceptively fast.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Chubb and Hunt are both better RB's than either Harris or Bleier - though Bleier would be the best blocker of the bunch.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I’m old enough to remember for 2 years (2 years where Chubb was just straight up outperforming Barkley on the ground no less) where people lamented how stupid the Browns were to not pick Barkley at 1. It felt like a fucking bizzaro world where we had a time machine to the 40’s

now Barkley is out for the year and the gap between he and Chubb will continue to widen

now some people will say the injury negates the comparison, but that’s bullshit. One of the many, many reasons you don’t draft a RB #1 overall is the beating that position takes leading to a shorter shelf life than the other positions typically taken there

so when that beating results in 17 missed games in 2 seasons it’s total malarkey to throw your hands up and say “can’t have the comparison,injury invalidates it!” When injury risk is a major reason not to make that pick in the first place

the #37 pick is a better RB than the #2 pick and more available. Will anyone ever eat crow about how wrong they were? Of course not, they’ll just jump to the nextreason to bash the Browns

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I’m old enough to remember for 2 years (2 years where Chubb was just straight up outperforming Barkley on the ground no less) where people lamented how stupid the Browns were to not pick Barkley at 1. It felt like a fucking bizzaro world where we had a time machine to the 40’s

now Barkley is out for the year and the gap between he and Chubb will continue to widen

now some people will say the injury negates the comparison, but that’s bullshit. One of the many, many reasons you don’t draft a RB #1 overall is the beating that position takes leading to a shorter shelf life than the other positions typically taken there

so when that beating results in 17 missed games in 2 seasons it’s total malarkey to throw your hands up and say “can’t have the comparison,injury invalidates it!” When injury risk is a major reason not to make that pick in the first place

the #37 pick is a better RB than the #2 pick and more available. Will anyone ever eat crow about how wrong they were? Of course not, they’ll just jump to the nextreason to bash the Browns

The morons who cried for taking Barkley at #1 overall probably have a lot in common with the "Derrick Williams and Brandon Knight over Kyrie" crowd.

 

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What is dead May never die

 

[Lee]

I’m old enough to remember for 2 years (2 years where Chubb was just straight up outperforming Barkley on the ground no less) where people lamented how stupid the Browns were to not pick Barkley at 1. It felt like a fucking bizzaro world where we had a time machine to the 40’s

now Barkley is out for the year and the gap between he and Chubb will continue to widen

now some people will say the injury negates the comparison, but that’s bullshit. One of the many, many reasons you don’t draft a RB #1 overall is the beating that position takes leading to a shorter shelf life than the other positions typically taken there

so when that beating results in 17 missed games in 2 seasons it’s total malarkey to throw your hands up and say “can’t have the comparison,injury invalidates it!” When injury risk is a major reason not to make that pick in the first place

the #37 pick is a better RB than the #2 pick and more available. Will anyone ever eat crow about how wrong they were? Of course not, they’ll just jump to the nextreason to bash the Browns

I love Chubb, but when healthy Barkley has been awfully good and does thing Chubb doesnt like in the passing game. But the health factor hugely spins the ranking over to Chubb's side.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I love Chubb, but when healthy Barkley has been awfully good and does thing Chubb doesnt like in the passing game. But the health factor hugely spins the ranking over to Chubb's side.

I'd say the main difference is that Barkley loses yards a lot more than Chubb from dancing around trying to break off a big run. He's dangerous and capable of breaking off that big run on any given play, but so is Chubb, and he rarely loses yards.

Barkley is definitely better in the passing game, but Chubb is 100% the better runner. He rarely loses yards and definitely has better vision. Barkley, to me, is a guy best utilized in space. Chubb can be used in space (I'd argue we haven't used him enough in that capacity given his elite burst) and as a grinder between the tackles.

Personally, I think Barkley is a far better fantasy football player than real one.

 

[Vee-Rex]

I'd say the main difference is that Barkley loses yards a lot more than Chubb from dancing around trying to break off a big run. He's dangerous and capable of breaking off that big run on any given play, but so is Chubb, and he rarely loses yards.

Barkley is definitely better in the passing game, but Chubb is 100% the better runner. He rarely loses yards and definitely has better vision. Barkley, to me, is a guy best utilized in space. Chubb can be used in space (I'd argue we haven't used him enough in that capacity given his elite burst) and as a grinder between the tackles.

Personally, I think Barkley is a far better fantasy football player than real one.

100% agreed.

And just to add more on top of it, Saquon hasn't been great at pass blocking. Tiki Barber just shredded him, saying he's a "liability" in pass blocking and probably not an every-down back.

Awesome RB but I'm taking Chubb 100% of the time even if both are available at the same time.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'd say the main difference is that Barkley loses yards a lot more than Chubb from dancing around trying to break off a big run. He's dangerous and capable of breaking off that big run on any given play, but so is Chubb, and he rarely loses yards.

This is why y/g doesn't tell enough of the story. Offensive drives take multiple first downs. A guy who runs 25 yards and gets you one big first down, but then has a bunch of no-gain or losses, is going to end up killing drives by putting you in bad down/distance situations. The more consistent runner is going to be much better at sustaining offensive drives, and is of more benefit in terms of opening up the passing game as well by putting you in more favorable down/distance situations - or at least keeping you out of the really bad ones.

 

[Triplethreat]

I’m old enough to remember for 2 years (2 years where Chubb was just straight up outperforming Barkley on the ground no less) where people lamented how stupid the Browns were to not pick Barkley at 1. It felt like a fucking bizzaro world where we had a time machine to the 40’s

now Barkley is out for the year and the gap between he and Chubb will continue to widen

now some people will say the injury negates the comparison, but that’s bullshit. One of the many, many reasons you don’t draft a RB #1 overall is the beating that position takes leading to a shorter shelf life than the other positions typically taken there

so when that beating results in 17 missed games in 2 seasons it’s total malarkey to throw your hands up and say “can’t have the comparison,injury invalidates it!” When injury risk is a major reason not to make that pick in the first place

the #37 pick is a better RB than the #2 pick and more available. Will anyone ever eat crow about how wrong they were? Of course not, they’ll just jump to the nextreason to bash the Browns

This he said she said shit sucks.

I'm old enough to remember when everyone said Josh Allen sucks and that he'd be an atrocity if we drafted him high and guess what. Now he's the second best QB in that entire class.

 

[Lee]

I'd say the main difference is that Barkley loses yards a lot more than Chubb from dancing around trying to break off a big run. He's dangerous and capable of breaking off that big run on any given play, but so is Chubb, and he rarely loses yards.

Barkley is definitely better in the passing game, but Chubb is 100% the better runner. He rarely loses yards and definitely has better vision. Barkley, to me, is a guy best utilized in space. Chubb can be used in space (I'd argue we haven't used him enough in that capacity given his elite burst) and as a grinder between the tackles.

Personally, I think Barkley is a far better fantasy football player than real one.

Great analysis and I mostly agree, I think we have a better line than the Giants, even last year probably, and the style of Barkley is to always go for the home run. I love Nick Chubb, he might be my favorite Browns player right now, love everything about him. But Barkley is special in the receiving game and that probably is enough to elevate him overall above Chubb. I still wouldn't trade Chubb straight up for Barkley, as I agree I like Chubbs style of run better and the best ability you can have in football is availability.

 

[Randolphkeys]

This he said she said shit sucks.

I'm old enough to remember when everyone said Josh Allen sucks and that he'd be an atrocity if we drafted him high and guess what. Now he's the second best QB in that entire class.

Credit goes to former Browns QB Ken Dorsey, who coached up Cam Newton before taking the job in Buffalo. He is a shitty backup quarterback but it turns out he can coach his ass off.