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Ray Rice suspended & cut - trouble for Goodell?

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Wow - Half this noise wasn't generated when Christy Mack got battered !!! And her assault was brutal.

Also interesting is the fact that the media is more hell bent on making Ray Rice the bad guy than trying to sympathize with Janay. Seems like they are waiting for a bad guy in order to talk about the act and deed all while feeling morally right cos they had the balls to call out somebody as bad in social media or in front of the whole world. How much effort actually goes into giving comfort to the victim and finding out what she really wants ?

Cos if Janay and her kids are dependent on Ray Rice for taking care of their expenditures, then by kicking Ray Rice out of the NFL aren't we also not screwing her big time ?
 
Wow - Half this noise wasn't generated when Christy Mack got battered !!! And her assault was brutal.

Also interesting is the fact that the media is more hell bent on making Ray Rice the bad guy than trying to sympathize with Janay. Seems like they are waiting for a bad guy in order to talk about the act and deed all while feeling morally right cos they had the balls to call out somebody as bad in social media or in front of the whole world. How much effort actually goes into giving comfort to the victim and finding out what she really wants ?

Cos if Janay and her kids are dependent on Ray Rice for taking care of their expenditures, then by kicking Ray Rice out of the NFL aren't we also not screwing her big time ?

You're saying that Rice knocking his wife out cold isn't brutal?

That's dead wrong. As is your complaint of Ray Rice needing to stay in the NFL to provide for Janay. Twisted...
 
Honestly, I absolutely just cannot believe this. Goodell oversees one of the most powerful organizations in the entire world. They have an unlimited amount of money, connections and resources. They literally can get damn near any piece of info they want, at any time.

No, they can't. The most podunk PD in the country has subpoena powers that the NFL doesn't. The NFL has bargaining power because of the popularity of its product, but it is nothing close to the omnipotent organization you portray. It has to abide by labor relations law, contractual law, antitrust law, and a host of other laws, all with a Congress that occasionally gets a bug up its ass about the NFL. It's also far more beholden to/at risk from, adverse public opinion.

And the security footage at a casino? Where the NFL brings in hundreds of millions in bet slips a year? PFFFFFT. Please. I mean, TMZ got someone to give it to them. TMZ. The AP even got employees and police personnel to talk rather candidly.

You've got it exactly backwards, and I'm flabbergasted that anyone would believe that the NFL should be as skilled at digging up dirt as the AP and TMZ, which are professional journalistic organizations. The NFL is not a journalistic organization like those others, which are free to pay insiders for sources or information that isn't supposed to be release. You may have read that the person who gave the video to the AP was not authorized to do so, and their identity is being hidden. Whether the AP paid for it or not, who knows. But the NFL just can't do that like those other organizations can without causing a much bigger problem.

The union agreed to give the Commissioner this power relating to off-field conduct to protect the public image of the league. It should be fairly easy to see that if the NFL starts basing suspension decisions on information that is not public, that rationale gets undermined pretty fast. And as soon as the NFL did something even slightly shady in an effort to gather information about a player, the NFLPA and likely some in Congress would be jumping all over their shit for overreaching.
 
Wow - Half this noise wasn't generated when Christy Mack got battered !!! And her assault was brutal.

Also interesting is the fact that the media is more hell bent on making Ray Rice the bad guy than trying to sympathize with Janay.

I have to say that being a victim doesn't transform someone into a good person, and spitting on someone and then slapping him marks her as a bitch in my view. Doesn't justify anything he did, but she's no angel.

Cos if Janay and her kids are dependent on Ray Rice for taking care of their expenditures, then by kicking Ray Rice out of the NFL aren't we also not screwing her big time ?

Yes. And if the NFL wasn't running so scared here, they'd have pointed out that consideration when trying to defend their actions. I'm not saying he shouldn't get punished at all because of that, but the reality is that is part of the reason we don't throw the book at first-time abusers in the criminal justice system. Whether that's right or wrong is debatable, but what isn't debatable is that the public rationale for how this normally gets treated by the justice system, and how people are now expecting the NFL to handle it, is wildly inconsistent.
 
Just a couple points
The NFL did institute a policy on domestic violence and its very sever. 6 games then lifetime suspension.
No rices Punch on Janay was not Brutal. you really comparing a knock out punch to Violent assualt that ends with a woman in the hospital. There are degrees.

The NFL is an Antitrust. Their stadiums are paid for by taxxpayers and their existence is protected by the senate.

What Goodell did is looking like he perpetuated a fraud on the public. hence the congressional investigation
Overseeing the NFL is a role that Congress has whether they like it or not.

Goodell changed the punishment. the video showed exactly what the prosecuters in Atlanta and Ray rice himself stated.

its not horrific . it not bruutal its sad. it was also a first time offense and a woman just recovering consciousness most likely isnt gonn be thinkng damage control. the shock she expressed seemed genuine.

The new CBA was a double edged sword. the owners wanted the ability to easily wash their hands of of players what they did off the field they wanted full control of handling all matters that applied to the NFL's morality clause.

If you want to get rid of the domestic violence players get rid of the drunk drivers who put peoples lives at risk.
point to brett jones but he is only on probation because someone had the misfortune to die while he was drinking.
kick em out all the rink drivers
Assault, these are professional football players top athletes in their form. bar fights and other violence that shouldnt be allowed either... kick them out,


i got plenty of questions.. isnt it odd Goodell expressed regret over his ruling on rice and three weeks later a tape comes out allowing him to make it "right".
It will be very ironic if it turns out it was the NFL that leaked the video to TMZ. the whole Donald stern thing was an Inside job .

as far as men hitting women. thats a personal belief.. not everyone feels that way. this a new world where women are in the military. police officers and firefighters. They attack men and while they dont do the damage a guy does its still violence.

if Janay had knocked out ray rice wed all be laughing.
working in the public eye has a different set of rules than normal jobs. its amuses me when they are compared

Nfl Rules and regulations ar e set up for football. off the field behaviour is mostly situational and more about Brand image.

society has its own rules and punishment with one set of rules and punishment negotiated and set by and for the players wherea brand image :justice is arbitrary and handled the owners.

I dont care if ray rice got 2 games, 4 games, 0 games. the important thing is that he was caught and was forced into a program to help him and his wife.

ultimately there is no reason 2nd videotape or not that Goodell couldnt asses what happened in this case and set the appropriate punishment. . Goodell met with Rice and his wife as people, the majority of people and media look at them like ideas and concepts . clay pigeons perfect for targeting with their own form of abuse. cause they are public figures so throw human decency out the window

Goodell knows this but he couldnt help himself He waffled and now he is the one hurting the brand with his shady tactics. so bad that women advocacy groups are calling for his head after he instituted the most severs punishment program for domestic violence of all the sports.

I really cant believe people really think that this Ray rice thing is even remotely close to being the worst domestic violence assault in sports. because thats what they wanted it punished as such.
 
as far as men hitting women. thats a personal belief.. not everyone feels that way. this a new world where women are in the military. police officers and firefighters. They attack men and while they dont do the damage a guy does its still violence.

I suppose men hitting men could be called a "personal belief" as well, but both are against the law so personal beliefs are really irrelevant. Not sure why the law should be different depending on who you hit, though. Assault is assault. In terms of personal beliefs, I think a man hitting a woman is unjustifiable unless we're talking about a woman truly hurting a guy and he needs to legitimately protect himself, which certainly wasn't the case with Ray Rice.

All that being said, I'll go back to saying that the NFL should limit punishment of off-field criminal activity to convictions, but teams should be encouraged to cut guys loose without having a cap hit.
 
You're saying that Rice knocking his wife out cold isn't brutal?

That's dead wrong. As is your complaint of Ray Rice needing to stay in the NFL to provide for Janay. Twisted...

It was not brutal dude. Im sorry - you should google out domestic violence images in google or even Christy Mack assault in google images. JAnays punch was bad but had she not her her head on the metal railing maybe she would not have been knocked out cold. While iam not saying that what Ray Rice did was ok, To act like it is a crime so horrible that he needs to be ousted is just ridiculous and shallow.

And what is so twisted about Ray Rice providing for his family ? If every place of employment like the NFL bans Ray Rice from being employed then what option does he have as far as feeding the kids go? Are any of you outraged people going to fork a portion of your pay when the kids get hungry or the wife needs groceries or anything ? Heck no .... we will just get this guy banned, pat our selves in the back for being morally right and let them suffer and then when all heck breaks lose for the guy and his family we will all talk about how the turn of events is so sad and how if only things could have been different and how the world needs to be more tolerant and yada yada yada ....

And more importantly why haven't anyone come out and explained why Janay is still staying with Rice ? She is the victim right ? If she can forgive him then what is everybody's problem ? Why does the world have to butt itself into somebody else's business and make it a huge deal when they are over it?
 
And more importantly why haven't anyone come out and explained why Janay is still staying with Rice ? She is the victim right ? If she can forgive him then what is everybody's problem ? Why does the world have to butt itself into somebody else's business and make it a huge deal when they are over it?

Seriously? Do you know much about domestic violence? The victim usually "forgives" the abuser just for them to do it again. Either the victim is too afraid to leave, they don't have the means to leave, etc. Just because she "forgave" him doesn't make it any less of a big deal, and it doesn't mean he hasn't abused her before. Considering that he so easily resorted to knocking her out kind of makes me believe this isn't the first time.
 
Seriously? Do you know much about domestic violence? The victim usually "forgives" the abuser just for them to do it again. Either the victim is too afraid to leave, they don't have the means to leave, etc. Just because she "forgave" him doesn't make it any less of a big deal, and it doesn't mean he hasn't abused her before. Considering that he so easily resorted to knocking her out kind of makes me believe this isn't the first time.

This is part of the problem with domestic abuse and part of the problem the NFL has in fairly punishing this.

We are asking the NFL to go far beyond the law. Rice never got brought up on charges yet he was fired from his job. Legally that is not right.

But the victims of these cases are afraid to speak or have other reasons for not speaking up. That too is not right.

Goodell had a tough situation to deal with and he has done everything he possible can to get it wrong.

To some it up,. this is a no win situation for the NFL, and Goodell is a complete asshat.
 
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Seriously? Do you know much about domestic violence? The victim usually "forgives" the abuser just for them to do it again. Either the victim is too afraid to leave, they don't have the means to leave, etc. Just because she "forgave" him doesn't make it any less of a big deal, and it doesn't mean he hasn't abused her before. Considering that he so easily resorted to knocking her out kind of makes me believe this isn't the first time.

I couldn't begin a response after the first statement, let alone get after the rest of it. So many warped points of view. Just because Christy Mack got beat within inches of her life doesn't mean other shit isn't serious... There's a threshold; once you cross it, you've crossed it.
 
This is part of the problem with domestic abuse and part of the problem the NFL has in fairly punishing this.

We are asking the NFL to go far beyond the law. Rice never got brought up on charges yet he was fired from his job. Legally that is not right.

But the victims of these cases are afraid to speak or have other reasons for not speaking up. That too is not right.

Goodell had a tough situation to deal with and he has done everything he possible can to get it wrong.

To some it up,. this is a no win situation for the NFL, and Goodell is a complete asshat.
He was arrsested and took a plea. His punishment was 1 year of probation and 1 year in a program to help domestice violence ( a program campaigned for by the very groups calling for Goodells head ironically"

The point is he was arrested for assault.

he punched someone.

we gonna start banning kids from schools the first time they punch someone?

maybe rice is beating this woman daily for the last 3 years or maybe he isnt
Maybe parkar has battered victim syndrome... maybe she doesnt.

maybe the ravens dropped Rice cause he was getting an indefinite suspension. maybe it had no impact on their decisions.
 
He was arrsested and took a plea. His punishment was 1 year of probation and 1 year in a program to help domestice violence ( a program campaigned for by the very groups calling for Goodells head ironically"

The point is he was arrested for assault.

he punched someone.

we gonna start banning kids from schools the first time they punch someone?

maybe rice is beating this woman daily for the last 3 years or maybe he isnt
Maybe parkar has battered victim syndrome... maybe she doesnt.

maybe the ravens dropped Rice cause he was getting an indefinite suspension. maybe it had no impact on their decisions.

If he stays clean for 12 months, his record will be cleared. Basically, chances are it will be like this never happened from a legal stand point.

Remove the emotions and you see what i mean about this being a slippery slope. NOW is asking the NFL to fix a problem that the law has only scratched. We are putting the cart before the horse.

That said, i dont feel bad for Goddell or Rice. Both deserve what they get, but i am thinking more from a legal stand point and less from an emotional stand point.
 
If he stays clean for 12 months, his record will be cleared. Basically, chances are it will be like this never happened from a legal stand point.

Remove the emotions and you see what i mean about this being a slippery slope. NOW is asking the NFL to fix a problem that the law has only scratched. We are putting the cart before the horse.

That said, i dont feel bad for Goddell or Rice. Both deserve what they get, but i am thinking more from a legal stand point and less from an emotional stand point.

I agree Goodell should of stuck to his guns . he had already admitted he thought he was too lenient. composed a brutal domestic violence program then dropped the ball when the video came out.

as to Rice his arrest stays on file meaning if he was arrested aagin he would be treated as a repeat offender.. thats an important distinction.
 
Seriously? Do you know much about domestic violence? The victim usually "forgives" the abuser just for them to do it again. Either the victim is too afraid to leave, they don't have the means to leave, etc. Just because she "forgave" him doesn't make it any less of a big deal, and it doesn't mean he hasn't abused her before. Considering that he so easily resorted to knocking her out kind of makes me believe this isn't the first time.

I gave your post a like cos i do not know anything about the psychology of the victim and your post was enlightening. Now I want to take that and apply it to the Janay/Rice situation.

Considering that he so easily resorted to knocking her out kind of makes me believe this isn't the first time. - So Rice has probably assaulted many times.

The victim usually "forgives" the abuser Either the victim is too afraid to leave, they don't have the means to leave - So Janay was afraid of Rice and does not want to be hit again so she 'forgave' him.

If we see the video - then it shows then having a verbal altercation. If she was scared of him, then why get into a fight ? And also, in the case of the underprivileged who cannot afford lawyers and have no place to go and whose domestic abuse hardly gets the same attention I understand. But Ray Rice is rich and he had kids with her and he hit her. Any lawyer worth half his marbles will be able to get a substantial settlement if she decided to press charges and wants to separate. Again did not happen. Do we have any sort of proof that she was scared of Rice and that is the reason she does not want to leave him or is than an assumption that we are making as it is the case with most of the other domestic abuse cases ?

Again, I do not see a valid reason given for why she chose to stay with him with suing him could have made her richer and a national celebrity. Also, If i read somewhere in this thread the NFL has a 6 game suspension for domestic abuse. Since that is the punishment that everyone were ok with when it was released why the sudden over-reaction when that is what he would have got after the 2 game suspension was found lacking ? Why call for Godell's sacking ?
 

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