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All the focus seems to be on "how to stop Mahomes", and the answer always seems to be some variation of "you can't, but here's how you might be able to slow him down." That's great, but slowing him down doesn't really do much good unless we can score more than they do. But that flip side of the question seems to be getting comparatively little attention nationally: What can/should our offense do to score on their defense? What are their vulnerabilities/weaknesses, and will we be able to take advantage of them?

I don't know the technical answers to any of that. Just seems almost weird that nationally, the "how do you stop Mahones" narrative is all-consuming, when the equally important question of how much the Browns can score against the Chiefs gets little attention by comparison.
 

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All the focus seems to be on "how to stop Mahomes", and the answer always seems to be some variation of "you can't, but here's how you might be able to slow him down." That's great, but slowing him down doesn't really do much good unless we can score more than they do. But that flip side of the question seems to be getting comparatively little attention nationally: What can/should our offense do to score on their defense? What are their vulnerabilities/weaknesses, and will we be able to take advantage of them?

I don't know the technical answers to any of that. Just seems almost weird that nationally, the "how do you stop Mahones" narrative is all-consuming, when the equally important question of how much the Browns can score against the Chiefs gets little attention by comparison.

Are you volunteering to write it?

:chuckle:
 

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All the focus seems to be on "how to stop Mahomes", and the answer always seems to be some variation of "you can't, but here's how you might be able to slow him down." That's great, but slowing him down doesn't really do much good unless we can score more than they do. But that flip side of the question seems to be getting comparatively little attention nationally: What can/should our offense do to score on their defense? What are their vulnerabilities/weaknesses, and will we be able to take advantage of them?

I don't know the technical answers to any of that. Just seems almost weird that nationally, the "how do you stop Mahones" narrative is all-consuming, when the equally important question of how much the Browns can score against the Chiefs gets little attention by comparison.
The Chiefs' defense is in a catch-22 against our offense. I can write up a quick piece, but the Chiefs defense is designed to stop the pass. Basically, the longer their opponent's possession, the slower the game. Slowing the game is actually bad against the Chiefs, because it means there are less opportunities to exploit variance.


The problem with our offense is that, if the Chiefs choose to sit back and let the Browns run, they will be letting the fastest rushing offense in the league have its way. If they do what I expect - stack the box more frequently than usual - then they will dare Baker to beat them. Given his performances against better defenses (Titans, Ravens, and Steelers), I find that to be a given.

To put it simply, I do not really see the Chiefs defense as a major obstacle. My concern is that their defense can stop our offense more than the inverse.
 

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Are you volunteering to write it?

:chuckle:

There was a reason I led with: "I don't know the technical answers to any of that."

Saw you coming, Keys!

It is odd though that the national narrative has been so heavily focused on Mahomes, when the equally important question (because ultimately, we have to score more points than they do) of how the Chiefs stop the Browns kind of gets lost. Probably because Mahomes is pretty close to being the face of the NFL, so talking about him gets the most clicks. We've discussed our offense v. there defense a lot here, but it's getting short shrift nationally.

Btw, the analysis put together on playing Cover 3 and Cover 4 was outstanding. Didn't know any of that, which is why the article was so useful. When we're playing Cover three, are the corners generally in man, or are they playing zone?
 

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All the focus seems to be on "how to stop Mahomes", and the answer always seems to be some variation of "you can't, but here's how you might be able to slow him down."
I'd say it's not about slowing him down. It's about putting him in situations where he's not as successful. Mahomes isn't perfect. He has accuracy and consistency issues when throwing short-to-intermediate passes. Make the Chiefs dink and dunk down the field for four quarters and you're going to have your fair share of overthrows that you can turn into interceptions. You're going to have your fair share of missed plays, or positive defensive plays, that put the Chiefs behind schedule.

That's great, but slowing him down doesn't really do much good unless we can score more than they do.
Well, yeah... that's kinda the entire point.

But that flip side of the question seems to be getting comparatively little attention nationally: What can/should our offense do to score on their defense? What are their vulnerabilities/weaknesses, and will we be able to take advantage of them?
See the first post of the "Beat the Chiefs" thread. https://realcavsfans.com/index.php?...-playoffs-beat-the-chiefs.50559/#post-3475680


I don't know the technical answers to any of that. Just seems almost weird that nationally, the "how do you stop Mahones" narrative is all-consuming, when the equally important question of how much the Browns can score against the Chiefs gets little attention by comparison.
Mahomes is the biggest player in the league. National attention is going to revolve around him.
 

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There was a reason I led with: "I don't know the technical answers to any of that."

Saw you coming, Keys!

It is odd though that the national narrative has been so heavily focused on Mahomes, when the equally important question (because ultimately, we have to score more points than they do) of how the Chiefs stop the Browns kind of gets lost. Probably because Mahomes is pretty close to being the face of the NFL, so talking about him gets the most clicks. We've discussed our offense v. there defense a lot here, but it's getting short shrift nationally.

Btw, the analysis put together on playing Cover 3 and Cover 4 was outstanding. Didn't know any of that, which is why the article was so useful. When we're playing Cover three, are the corners generally in man, or are they playing zone?
Zone.

Someone didn't watch the Brett Kollman video ;)
 

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The Chiefs' defense is in a catch-22 against our offense. I can write up a quick piece, but the Chiefs defense is designed to stop the pass. Basically, the longer their opponent's possession, the slower the game. Slowing the game is actually bad against the Chiefs, because it means there are less opportunities to exploit variance.


I love that! Probably because I was thinking the same thing. The more possessions the Chiefs have, the more likely Mahomes' brilliance is statistically likely to emerge. Fewer drives gives us a better chance of seizing on a single error for a critical advantage.

The problem with our offense is that, if the Chiefs choose to sit back and let the Browns run, they will be letting the fastest rushing offense in the league have its way. If they do what I expect - stack the box more frequently than usual - then they will dare Baker to beat them. Given his performances against better defenses (Titans, Ravens, and Steelers), I find that to be a given.

To put it simply, I do not really see the Chiefs defense as a major obstacle. My concern is that their defense can stop our offense more than the inverse.

No argument there. But I do think longer drives not only mean fewer possessions, but also is more likely to keep our defense fresh against an extremely mobile QB. I really think our offensive balance gives us a shot. Truthfully, when we've been healthy and decide to open things up, we are extraordinarily dangerous. You don't hang 42 points on the Ravens (last time our offense was truly healthy and needed points) otherwise.

So that's one reason I'm hoping to hell Conklin is a go.
 

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I love that! Probably because I was thinking the same thing. The more possessions the Chiefs have, the more likely Mahomes' brilliance is statistically likely to emerge. Fewer drives gives us a better chance of seizing on a single error for a critical advantage.



No argument there. But I do think longer drives not only mean fewer possessions, but also is more likely to keep our defense fresh against an extremely mobile QB. I really think our offensive balance gives us a shot. Truthfully, when we've been healthy and decide to open things up, we are extraordinarily dangerous. You don't hang 42 points on the Ravens (last time our offense was truly healthy and needed points) otherwise.

So that's one reason I'm hoping to hell Conklin is a go.
100% agree with everything you said here. I'd also like to add that, as you run more offensive snaps in a drive, the defense wears down quicker than your offensive, allowing you to run the ball with even greater efficiency. It's harder to play defense, especially on the defensive line, than it is to run block as an offensive lineman.

All of these reasons are getting me far too optimistic for Sunday.
 
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