RJ Nembhard jr

[cliffdawg]

All that makes a ton of sense. None of it required giving him 1 of 2 two-way spots, though.

Which can be taken away at anytime with no repercussions…….

 

[I'mWithDan]

For those who make it a practice to track such things, has anyone ever with such horrible numbers in college ever turned into an NBA player? @I'mWithDan

I try to communicate this but maybe do a bad job sometimes.

It isn't that guys cannot succeed as bad / low impact producers.......it is just more complete randomness.

You take 10 guys from a high success bucket and you are probably going to get 7 of 10 guys who are NBA players.

You take 10 guys from a low success bucket and you are probably going to get 1 of 10 guys who are NBA players.

The 1st pool leaves margin for error.......you might end up picking someone that is still good, even if you make a scouting "mistake".

The 2nd pool leaves no margin for error.....you are only getting an NBA player if you somehow identify the one single player who will come out of the wash.

 

[adam81king]

Which can be taken away at anytime with no repercussions…….

Not having an available 2-way was the reason used for not adding any UDFAs...

 

[Douglar]

Not having an available 2-way was the reason used for not adding any UDFAs...

Was there a PG better than Nembhard that the Cavs should have grabbed from the UDFA's ?

 

[inliner311]

Was there a PG better than Nembhard that the Cavs should have grabbed from the UDFA's ?

Jordan Hall averaged just as many assists per game as the other Nembhard brother who got drafted #31. 5.8 assists per game, which was tied for 10th of all NCAA players this year. He was a sophomore, Nembhard was a senior. Shot 36% from 3 and is 6'7. We will get to see him in the first summer league game against the Spurs. They only gave him a exhibit 10 contract.

 

[NMCav]

Jordan Hall averaged just as many assists per game as the other Nembhard brother who got drafted #31. 5.8 assists per game, which was tied for 10th of all NCAA players this year. Shot 36% from 3 and is 6'7. We will get to see him in the first summer league game against the Spurs. They only gave him a exhibit 10 contract.

The Nembhard Pacers drafted has no relation to the Nembhard on Cavs. As for Jordan Hall I don't think many teams view him as a PG. He isn't anywhere near quick enough to guard NBA guards. He may not even be quick enough to guard NBA SFs. I like Halls offensive game but defensively he is pretty much trash even though he has excellent size.

The Cavaliers did sign RJ Nembhard last year after summer league. Then in training camp cut Broderic Thomas who was on a two way deal to sign RJ Nembhard. I wouldn't be shocked if something similar happens this year. Where we like someone another team signed for SL but don't bring to camp. I don't see Nembhard keeping his two way spot after training camp.

 

[inliner311]

The Nembhard Pacers drafted has no relation to the Nembhard on Cavs. As for Jordan Hall I don't think many teams view him as a PG. He isn't anywhere near quick enough to guard NBA guards. He may not even be quick enough to guard NBA SFs. I like Halls offensive game but defensively he is pretty much trash even though he has excellent size.

The Cavaliers did sign RJ Nembhard last year after summer league. Then in training camp cut Broderic Thomas who was on a two way deal to sign RJ Nembhard. I wouldn't be shocked if something similar happens this year. Where we like someone another team signed for SL but don't bring to camp. I don't see Nembhard keeping his two way spot after training camp.

You are right they aren't related, I remember someone saying they were related and I never checked.

I agree that Jordan Hall probably can't guard PGs at the NBA level but I do think it was worth a swing to see if he can guard wings or forwards while being able to play the point at the NBA level. The Cavs just seem like the right roster to take that swing with the amount of guards we have and the ability to put a playmaker at another position which could help our lineup flexibility.

It's would have been a cheap swing but if it worked out, we could have gotten someone that fit extremely well with this roster. Imagine the lineups with Hall at the 3 and how easy we could mix and match at the 1 and 2.

As for his defense, he wasnt good as an on ball defender because his lack of quickness but he was real good at breaking up passing lanes. He might find a place as an off ball defender in the NBA if he isn't asked to be an on ball defender against guards.

 

[Smooth]

I see the philosophy of signing your two-way contract players similar to that of drafting in the MLB: You draft talent not position since the needs of when you draft and the needs of when the player may be ready are never aligned..

I'm not going to get worked up about a two-way player especially with the hit rate being so low but given Koby's history of being able to identify some lesser known players and the player development staff helping to develop them into useable rotational pieces (Dean Wade and Lamar Stevens), I think they deserve a little bit of slack when it comes to their two-way plan..

While the Cavs are no Miami Heat and for every Dean Wade there's Billy Preston, Deng Adel and Andrew Harrison.. Part of a rebuilding team is being able to work the margins and the Cavs have yielded some decent success stores thus far..

Will Nembhard be the next? I don't know but Cavs must see something in him to have kept him around for this long..

 

[foucault87]

I see the philosophy of signing your two-way contract players similar to that of drafting in the MLB: You draft talent not position since the needs of when you draft and the needs of when the player may be ready are never aligned..

I'm not going to get worked up about a two-way player especially with the hit rate being so low but given Koby's history of being able to identify some lesser known players and the player development staff helping to develop them into useable rotational pieces (Dean Wade and Lamar Stevens), I think they deserve a little bit of slack when it comes to their two-way plan..

While the Cavs are no Miami Heat and for every Dean Wade there's Billy Preston, Deng Adel and Andrew Harrison.. Part of a rebuilding team is being able to work the margins and the Cavs have yielded some decent success stores thus far..

Will Nembhard be the next? I don't know but Cavs must see something in him to have kept him around for this long..

2027 NBA MVP RJ Nembhard. You heard it here first.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I see the philosophy of signing your two-way contract players similar to that of drafting in the MLB: You draft talent not position since the needs of when you draft and the needs of when the player may be ready are never aligned..

Last season, they thought Broderic Thomas had some scoring chops and could still run an offense as a combo guard. He couldn't, he is a shooting guard.

His G-League stats are very similar to RJ Nembhard in scoring, but Nembhard is much more effective as a rebounder and setting the table for others:

Brodric Thomas G-League Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

G-League statistics and information for Brodric Thomas

www.basketball-reference.com

RJ Nembhard Jr.

RJ Nembhard Jr. Official NBA G League Stats, Player Logs, Boxscores, Shotcharts and Videos

stats.gleague.nba.com

I'm not all-in on the Nembhard bandwagon, but he showed he can run the show in 15 games for the Charge. That's why he's still here and Thomas is not.

 

[dark2332]

Last season, they thought Broderic Thomas had some scoring chops and could still run an offense as a combo guard. He couldn't, he is a shooting guard.

His G-League stats are very similar to RJ Nembhard in scoring, but Nembhard is much more effective as a rebounder and setting the table for others:

Brodric Thomas G-League Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

G-League statistics and information for Brodric Thomas

www.basketball-reference.com

RJ Nembhard Jr.

RJ Nembhard Jr. Official NBA G League Stats, Player Logs, Boxscores, Shotcharts and Videos

stats.gleague.nba.com

I'm not all-in on the Nembhard bandwagon, but he showed he can run the show in 15 games for the Charge. That's why he's still here and Thomas is not.

He can’t shoot a lick.

But you could imagine what it would be like if he could…

 

[Randolphkeys]

He can’t shoot a lick.

But you could imagine what it would be like if he could…

It's Summer League and he's a G League guard. The warts don't surprise me, but maybe they are the warts we need.

Broderic could shoot threes, and therefore last summer he gave nobody else much of a chance to shoot.

Summer league is about process, not end result.

 

[dark2332]

It's Summer League and he's a G League guard. The warts don't surprise me, but maybe they are the warts we need.

Broderic could shoot threes, and therefore last summer he gave nobody else much of a chance to shoot.

Summer league is about process, not end result.

I’m not arguing, I’m fine with RJ—who has spent serious time as a creator in our system—getting our rooks in good spots.

I just don’t think he’s in any way a guy that’s an eventual NBA rotation piece due to his shooting.

 

[Douglar]

Nembhard probably won't make it through training camp, but he's going to be in there to turn the crank for the other guys in summer league.

 

[thegodfather]

Oops my bad