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It still may bit us on someone if we need to sign a FA like Vazquez or Zunino before we can find the right trade of others like Miller, Rosario, Plesac... But, it still won't be major loss. It's just sometime a good hobby for some of us to distract from other things in life.
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I think we will make a trade before signing anyone else officially...
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It would be interesting to find out why Battenfield was passed over for guys like Thad Ward and Jose Hernandez. Battenfield performed as well or better than they did at a younger age. I'm not complaining, in fact I'm happy, but I'm curious.
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Don't know if anyone else noticed, but Josh Palacios (brother of Richie) was out-righted off the Nationals 40 man roster back on 12/1/22.
He was a 2nd round selection for the Pirates in the minor league portion of the Rule 5 today.
He was a 2nd round selection for the Pirates in the minor league portion of the Rule 5 today.
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two reasons come to mind...
1. Club control of the prospect (Battenfield) w/r options remaining.. Control of a prospect has to include both the team keeping the prospect as well as the acquiring team.. Take away a level of flexibility and, # 2 (below).. and a player is left alone..
2. Talent quotient: Does the prospect have the one, two or more tools necessary to succeed. Does he possess a weapon that works, no matter what? Battenfield doesn't..
...character/ethic is really how it starts..
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Battenfield would have 6 yrs of control.
He's got plenty of tools so I have no idea what you're getting at.
I said it awhile back and I said it again. Something is amiss here and I don't know what it is. Is he injured?
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Not to be a dick, but maybe what is is amiss is your valuation? He was soundly passed over by the entire league. I suspect the real issue is lack of a MLB quality arsenal, he's a pair of vice grips in a Snap-On world.. That is just my opinion and if he really has the goods - we should see him at the ML level in 2023.
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he's not.. A few of his gun readings were in the mid 90's.. but for the most part.. it's a relatively flat fastball that doesn't spin particularly well.. & stays in a rather pedestrian 90-92 ranges. He doesn't have much in the way of deception in his motion as well.. He relies on pitch sequencing and over aggressive hitters to get cheap outs. As he's climbed the MiLB ladder, his numbers have started to deteriorate.. I would expect not much in the way of improvement going forward, as well..
apparently.. so does the rest of baseball..
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I don't think you're being a dick at all, but I don't think I missed in my valuation either. At least not yet. I've never touted Battenfield as a TOR SP, but you cannot overlook his performance. "A few of his gun readings" were more than mid 90's as Gson suggests. A few of his gun readings were 98 mph is a more accurate statement. He sits anywhere from 93-95 with his FB. "His numbers have started to deteriorate" is laughable. What numbers are we talking about? There was an uptick with his stuff across the board. The one area where he nosedived is control after having damn good control his entire career. I don't know what to make of it honestly, but I wouldn't quite write him off just yet. Remember, the league passed on OGon too and I couldn't figure out why. Also remember that all of Pilkington, Gaddis and Curry are on the roster and they are not the SP prospect that Battenfield is. We'll see what happens and I think the answers I'm looking for will be revealed in time.
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Actually always felt Pilkington and Battenfield were pretty close to being the same "level" of prospect. Gaddis is better and Curry is a lot better IMO. That said all 4 of these guys have that "hit a wall" facet in their current profiles. Curry may get exposed similar to Morgan, Gaddis may never have enough secondary stuff.
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I think all 4 have the potential to have good MLB careers, but clearly they need to improve on some things first.
The difference between Pilkington and Battenfield for me was the walk rate. Prior to the 22 season Battenfield's was far superior and I think his K9 rate was a bit higher too if I recall correctly. Other than that I do see them as similar pitchers and thought that they could both replace our current #4 and #5 effectively.
I'm not big on Curry. He has little room for error due to the lack of FB movement IMO. He has good control and a hard breaking ball so he could find success.
Gaddis falls into the same category as Battenfield and Pilkington for me. That means I like him and expect him to carve out a decent MLB career, but I doubt it's with Cleveland. One never knows though. Edited to say that there is value in durable SP and all 3 of these guys are that.
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Here is who we added in minor league phase ... it's always lotto ticket odds to hit anything.
www.coveringthecorner.com
A look at who the Guardians added in the Rule 5 draft
Cleveland was mostly quiet during the Rule 5 draft, but they did add some minor-league depth
www.coveringthecorner.com
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Curry's FB movement seems like his best trick honestly... it is very unique and has had good success thus far.
It looks like it's coming down the middle and then hitters just swing under it.
Here is FG write-up on Rule 5
blogs.fangraphs.com
Someone mentioned they were surprised Cubs didn't pick (with 36 guys but added Taillon and Bellinger) but for me the biggest surprise was my 2 teams that I thought could have selected and kept 2 players stashed (Reds and Rockies) traded their picks.
8. Colorado Rockies (38)
Kevin Kelly, SIRP, from the Cleveland Guardians (traded to Rays)
Kelly is a low-slot “look” reliever with a drop-and-drive, sidearm delivery. He struck out 75 hitters in 57 relief innings at Double- and Triple-A in 2022, working with a tailing low-90s heater and sweeping mid-70s slurve. He’ll douse opposing righties in a lower leverage role.
9. Miami Marlins (39)
Nic Enright, SIRP, from the Cleveland Guardians
The Marlins add a low-variance bullpen contributor in Enright, whose low-90s fastball tends to sneak past hitters at the letters because of its angle. Enright’s tall-and-fall style delivery and overhand arm action help his slider stay hidden on release, as the pitch doesn’t pop out of his hand. He’s a low leverage relief option who might move into a more significant role if his fastball velocity can continue to climb.
The 2022 Rule 5 Draft Scouting Reports
A round up of the players taken in the Major League phase of the Rule 5 Draft.
Someone mentioned they were surprised Cubs didn't pick (with 36 guys but added Taillon and Bellinger) but for me the biggest surprise was my 2 teams that I thought could have selected and kept 2 players stashed (Reds and Rockies) traded their picks.
8. Colorado Rockies (38)
Kevin Kelly, SIRP, from the Cleveland Guardians (traded to Rays)
Kelly is a low-slot “look” reliever with a drop-and-drive, sidearm delivery. He struck out 75 hitters in 57 relief innings at Double- and Triple-A in 2022, working with a tailing low-90s heater and sweeping mid-70s slurve. He’ll douse opposing righties in a lower leverage role.
9. Miami Marlins (39)
Nic Enright, SIRP, from the Cleveland Guardians
The Marlins add a low-variance bullpen contributor in Enright, whose low-90s fastball tends to sneak past hitters at the letters because of its angle. Enright’s tall-and-fall style delivery and overhand arm action help his slider stay hidden on release, as the pitch doesn’t pop out of his hand. He’s a low leverage relief option who might move into a more significant role if his fastball velocity can continue to climb.