s Trevor Bauer's TWO YEAR suspension starting on 4/29/22 justified

[DJJOE]

I'd expect Michael Vick's indefinite suspension and 21 months in the can for cruelty to animals to be the gauge by which TB's debt to humanity should be determined.

 

[sportscoach]

I don't believe that is correct. No player has a contractual right for a team to actually play him.

Well Bauer has a player option for next season so he can choose to opt in or out and he will likely opt in if his suspension is shortened.

Now, if he is ready to play, I don't think the Dodgers can tell him to stay home. The MLBPA would have to side with Bauer if he wishes to play I would think ya know since it would be the Dodgers breaking contract not Bauer. His contract would he fully guaranteed, so if he isn't suspended and the Dodgers told him to stay home, he still gets paid. If the Dodgers tell him he cannot play and files grievance I don't doubt he will win it and they will either have to allow him to play or release him...

 

[MadThinker88]

MLBPA will only fight for Bauer to get his contractual pay.
If Dodgers said stay home & we will mail you the paycheck per the contract, they are within the rights of the business.
Barry Bonds wanted to keep playing but no one was willing to sign him after his contract ran out.
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Before someone suggest collusion or discrimination, this is impacting 1 person / player… not a group or class of people. That is an important difference to remember.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Well Bauer has a player option for next season so he can choose to opt in or out and he will likely opt in if his suspension is shortened.

Now, if he is ready to play, I don't think the Dodgers can tell him to stay home. The MLBPA would have to side with Bauer if he wishes to play I would think ya know since it would be the Dodgers breaking contract not Bauer. His contract would he fully guaranteed, so if he isn't suspended and the Dodgers told him to stay home, he still gets paid. If the Dodgers tell him he cannot play and files grievance I don't doubt he will win it and they will either have to allow him to play or release him...

You're just wrong here sportscoach. Have you ever heard a player file a grievance over playing time, much less actually win one? It would be impossible for arbitrators to start dictating how much playing time given player deserves.

If power goes through this season and is not happy with his playing time, his choice is to opt out of his contract.

 

[sportscoach]

You're just wrong here sportscoach. Have you ever heard a player file a grievance over playing time, much less actually win one? It would be impossible for arbitrators to start dictating how much playing time given player deserves.

If power goes through this season and is not happy with his playing time, his choice is to opt out of his contract.

I get the point over playing time, but if Bauer isn't allowed to suit up, he will try to find a way to suit up as long as he is technically apart of a team.

I mean you could be 100% right, but at the same time if the Dodgers tell Bauer cannot even show up to the facilities if not suspended, I feel like he will file against the Dodgers to either be able to use the facilities/train, get put onto the roster to play. I don't think at that time they can put him on the restricted list since he has paid his dues in a sense. If they do, Bauer will file and MLBPA kind of has to side with Bauer at that time, do they not?

Now if Dodgers release him, and no one offers him a contract then he can file grievance but won't win that one.

I guess I am saying, if the Dodgers put him on the restricted list after the suspension is over and he is still under his contract with them, even with pay, I don't think they can keep him/put him on the restricted list. Wouldn't he have paid his dues with the suspension and any restricted list is forcing him to face it twice...

Edit: Honestly I guess I am trying to figure out, what if Bauers suspension ends before his contract with the Dodgers is up. How are the Dodgers going to keep him from the facilities and team. They would have to release him and still pay him, but if they try anything else, like putting him on the restricted list even with pay, I don't feel like they can do that, do you?

 

[southernflyer]

The unions are different, but isn't Bauer's potential situation the same as Baker Mayfield? If Baker wanted to show up to training camp, the Browns couldn't keep him away. They could put him on the 4th QB reps team where he is waiting for his turn and practicing with the UDFA's. With Bauer's accrued MLB seniority he would have to accept any non-standardized program the Dodgers would attempt for him to follow after the suspension time is over.

 

[MadThinker88]

@sportscoach
Understand I never wrote anything about a restricted list. That is solely from you.

Generally teams look to place a player on a list (bereavement, paternity, etc) so the spot on the active roster can be used by another player. Those are products of existing agreements between MLB & MLBPA. Those lists have agreed to lengths & impacts for the player/ team.

The team always has the option to play short-handed. If they decide that playing short-handed and paying TB his $$$ is better then having him around/ in uniform for them, that is their choice (as a business).

The courts (& arbitrators) won’t stop a business from a foolish business practice, only stop the illegal ones.
Instructing TB to stay away is not illegal.
Instructing anyone that is Muslim to stay away is illegal (religious grounds)..
I can go on but you get the picture.

 

[sportscoach]

@sportscoach
Understand I never wrote anything about a restricted list. That is solely from you.

Generally teams look to place a player on a list (bereavement, paternity, etc) so the spot on the active roster can be used by another player. Those are products of existing agreements between MLB & MLBPA. Those lists have agreed to lengths & impacts for the player/ team.

The team always has the option to play short-handed. If they decide that playing short-handed and paying TB his $$$ is better then having him around/ in uniform for them, that is their choice (as a business).

The courts (& arbitrators) won’t stop a business from a foolish business practice, only stop the illegal ones.
Instructing TB to stay away is not illegal.
Instructing anyone that is Muslim to stay away is illegal (religious grounds)..
I can go on but you get the picture.

I wasn't explaining myself well either. I had something I was trying to get across but I wasn't saying it well, so that part is on me.

This is speculation on my part, but...

Bauer is going to opt into his contract if his suspension is shortened/lifted, but the Dodgers are likely going to try and not give him all his money somehow if he decides to do it. I think they will try to put him on the restricted list.

Can they put him on the restricted list after the suspension or if he opts in, unless he takes a buyout, are they willing just to eat the money he is owed?

I guess that's what I am trying to figure out and speculate when he is able to come back, can Dodgers get out of the money they owe him (since I feel like they will try to).

 

[jup]

I wasn't explaining myself well either. I had something I was trying to get across but I wasn't saying it well, so that part is on me.

This is speculation on my part, but...

Bauer is going to opt into his contract if his suspension is shortened/lifted, but the Dodgers are likely going to try and not give him all his money somehow if he decides to do it. I think they will try to put him on the restricted list.

Can they put him on the restricted list after the suspension or if he opts in, unless he takes a buyout, are they willing just to eat the money he is owed?

I guess that's what I am trying to figure out and speculate when he is able to come back, can Dodgers get out of the money they owe him (since I feel like they will try to).

Only 2 real choices - play him or release him and be on the hook for the money.

All the other gyrations are very short term at best - like sending him out on a rehab assignment or whatever they come up with .... UNLESS ...

the short term gyration or the suspension (or the combination there of) takes them past the end of the season and then the whole thing gets held over until next year if TB opts in.

 

[Criznit]

I don't believe that is correct. No player has a contractual right for a team to actually play him.

Agreed.

I think he will be placed on the restricted list and paid. If that doesn't work, Trevor will either sit in the bullpen/clubhouse until the Dodgers can get out from underneath that contract.

If Bauer wants to play that bad and thinks/knows he can get a job he can opt out at seasons end.

He's "riding the pine" in someway or another.

When he becomes an official FA.... See Barry Bonds.

EDIT. The Dodgers are a wealthy team with a great ML club and farm system... They may just say fuck it and release him.

 

[PIP]

Ya know I was really enjoying watching him pitch as he aged….

Ah well…

 

[Benway]

It's almost as though the Dodgers asked Manfred for a little help getting off their obligation to a man they regret signing.

 

[CATS44]

The gears of the legal system turn slowly. They turn even more slowly when one...or both...parties have enough money to keep the brakes on.

MLB and the Dodgers have a lot of money to keep heavy feet on the brakes....billions.

Bauer may or may not 'win' in the end...but he may have to take his 'winnings' to the Mexican League...if it will take him.

 

[Tondo]

Never surprised to find out that Bauer is a douche, knew that before, so I don't care about how much of this stuff was consensual or gaslighting or whatever.

What brings me the most joy in all of this, is that his oh so clever AAV contract strategy farted straight back in his face and he lost out on a ton of money he'll never see again. Since he's smart, maybe he can AAV on millions lost per choke job.

 

[petes999]

I haven't really been following the Bauer saga. What did he actually do?

You can read the whole saga here. But, basically, they had very rough sex and became he said, she said on what was consented to before she became unconscious. As there was 2 rough encounters, she had some consent to what he was doing but was not spelled out (think she texted she wanted it rougher but vague between she got 2 black eyes on first encounter and went to the hospital the next day for 2nd ecounter a month later). As there was no clear rules of conduct between them on how far over this edge they agreed to go, the MLB used their recent adopted rules of conduct that if I recall right says, if a non-married person becomes unconscious or drunk then all consent is relinquished (means a couple who are dating go out and drink, if the partner is intoxicated then they cannot have sex without violating MLB rules of conduct per the mlb doctrine). But, this was my recollection -- I will look into it more later. And, of course, that standard is hard to hold anyone accountable to because you know they all violate it.