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SB 57

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Every fan base iv talked to said that call was pure bullshit. Sports are tainted in the US it sad tbh. And now with betting being legal
 
When will they fix some games for us?
 
Resident Chiefs fan checking in. I was fortunate enough to attend the game and have been on cloud 9 since. The Super Bowl experience is unbelievable and the great game/Chiefs win was an added bonus.

Regarding the much debated holding penalty, it’s hard to argue it’s not a penalty. Is it “soft” or less aggressive than previous calls? Sure. But it was a hold and Bradberry admitted as much, saying he tugged the jersey and hoped they didn’t call/catch it. At the game the fans were initially hot and then they showed this angle on the big board:

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The Eagles fans around me (I was corner end zone on their sideline) didn’t put up much of an argument after that. NFL Films has this angle slowed down and even shows Bradberry putting his right hand on Juju’s chest and left hand around his hip right after this. It’s clear that this impeded him and the ref threw the flag after seeing the ball sail over Juju’s head, acknowledging the impact it had. Would he have caught it without being held? Probably not as Mahomes had pressure in his face and let it rip. But that doesn’t matter with holding and doesn’t have to be a case for it to be a penalty.

Beyond that, it’s important to note why Bradberry felt the need to hold Juju there. The Chiefs scored two walk-in TD’s on their previous two possessions. They used motion in, an abrupt stop, and a whip/drag route out. This was a similar play design although Juju continued in after the snap before pivoting and running the whip route. Bradberry was in press coverage unlike the two previous TD’s but was beat and held to get back into position.

When the defense has struggled to contain something offensively, any holding or penalty to get back into position is magnified. Think about last year’s SB when Cincinnati was flagged on a controversial defensive holding call on 3rd down. The LB very subtly placed two hands on Kupp’s hips. The penalty call was soft and the ball wasn’t thrown very well, but Kupp had been torching them all drive. All eyes were on him and the two hands placed around his waist drew the penalty, saving the Rams from a 4th and Goal play while down 4.

Ultimately, there’s no denying that the penalty affected the final two minutes of this game, just like the previous SB. However, it’s unrealistic to expect the refs to not throw penalty flags if they witness what they believe to be a penalty. Furthermore, the idea of a “rigged league” is laughable. The NFL already got all of their views and money and honestly doesn’t care who wins at that point. If anything the flag brought negative attention, “ruining” a classic finish. But when the player admits it was a penalty postgame and even AJ Brown acknowledges it in his tweet ripping Juju (which was kind of funny), then it’s a penalty.

Lastly, the Eagles themselves even admitted that this isn’t why they lost (very classy postgame comments by Sirianni, Hurts, and company). If they wanted to win they should’ve stopped KC from scoring TD’s on their three previous drives. They should’ve prevented the longest punt return in SB history. They shouldn’t have let Mahomes run 26 yards down the middle of the field in the game’s biggest moment. But as Jason Kelce said, they made more mistakes and the Chiefs were the better team that game.

TL;DR Amazing game, credit to the Eagles/Hurts, and I understand wanting to see the Eagles have a chance to tie/win, but a “soft” penalty is still a penalty and isn’t the reason that they lost.
 
Resident Chiefs fan checking in. I was fortunate enough to attend the game and have been on cloud 9 since. The Super Bowl experience is unbelievable and the great game/Chiefs win was an added bonus.

Regarding the much debated holding penalty, it’s hard to argue it’s not a penalty. Is it “soft” or less aggressive than previous calls? Sure. But it was a hold and Bradberry admitted as much, saying he tugged the jersey and hoped they didn’t call/catch it. At the game the fans were initially hot and then they showed this angle on the big board:

FpJIB84aIAIxOXl


The Eagles fans around me (I was corner end zone on their sideline) didn’t put up much of an argument after that. NFL Films has this angle slowed down and even shows Bradberry putting his right hand on Juju’s chest and left hand around his hip right after this. It’s clear that this impeded him and the ref threw the flag after seeing the ball sail over Juju’s head, acknowledging the impact it had. Would he have caught it without being held? Probably not as Mahomes had pressure in his face and let it rip. But that doesn’t matter with holding and doesn’t have to be a case for it to be a penalty.

Beyond that, it’s important to note why Bradberry felt the need to hold Juju there. The Chiefs scored two walk-in TD’s on their previous two possessions. They used motion in, an abrupt stop, and a whip/drag route out. This was a similar play design although Juju continued in after the snap before pivoting and running the whip route. Bradberry was in press coverage unlike the two previous TD’s but was beat and held to get back into position.

When the defense has struggled to contain something offensively, any holding or penalty to get back into position is magnified. Think about last year’s SB when Cincinnati was flagged on a controversial defensive holding call on 3rd down. The LB very subtly placed two hands on Kupp’s hips. The penalty call was soft and the ball wasn’t thrown very well, but Kupp had been torching them all drive. All eyes were on him and the two hands placed around his waist drew the penalty, saving the Rams from a 4th and Goal play while down 4.

Ultimately, there’s no denying that the penalty affected the final two minutes of this game, just like the previous SB. However, it’s unrealistic to expect the refs to not throw penalty flags if they witness what they believe to be a penalty. Furthermore, the idea of a “rigged league” is laughable. The NFL already got all of their views and money and honestly doesn’t care who wins at that point. If anything the flag brought negative attention, “ruining” a classic finish. But when the player admits it was a penalty postgame and even AJ Brown acknowledges it in his tweet ripping Juju (which was kind of funny), then it’s a penalty.

Lastly, the Eagles themselves even admitted that this isn’t why they lost (very classy postgame comments by Sirianni, Hurts, and company). If they wanted to win they should’ve stopped KC from scoring TD’s on their three previous drives. They should’ve prevented the longest punt return in SB history. They shouldn’t have let Mahomes run 26 yards down the middle of the field in the game’s biggest moment. But as Jason Kelce said, they made more mistakes and the Chiefs were the better team that game.

TL;DR Amazing game, credit to the Eagles/Hurts, and I understand wanting to see the Eagles have a chance to tie/win, but a “soft” penalty is still a penalty and isn’t the reason that they lost.
I love you man. It wasn't a penalty.

Edit if the argument is about what players say juju didn't even look at the official after it happened. The player that was "helded" didn't notice.... So seems like it should have been a no call
 
The kvetching over this penalty call is sounding like Skip Bayless bitching about the “Luckeyes” 2003 win over Miami due to the late PI call.

Don’t be Skip Bayless.

“Eagles lost. Get over it.” - Mrs. 2FTB, psycho Eagles fan.
 
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I love you man. It wasn't a penalty.

Edit if the argument is about what players say juju didn't even look at the official after it happened. The player that was "helded" didn't notice.... So seems like it should have been a no call

I mean, I’m not sure what to say when the player is beat, jersey is pulled, and said player admitted it. Juju was asked postgame and said he was held as well, it doesn’t always take a huge showing after the play (although Mahomes was clearly pointing it out if that’s what you’re looking for).

Do you believe the holding call at the beginning of the clip below from last year’s SB was a penalty? If not, please elaborate as to the motive(s) of the referee who called it.

 
Resident Chiefs fan checking in. I was fortunate enough to attend the game and have been on cloud 9 since. The Super Bowl experience is unbelievable and the great game/Chiefs win was an added bonus.

Regarding the much debated holding penalty, it’s hard to argue it’s not a penalty. Is it “soft” or less aggressive than previous calls? Sure. But it was a hold and Bradberry admitted as much, saying he tugged the jersey and hoped they didn’t call/catch it. At the game the fans were initially hot and then they showed this angle on the big board:

FpJIB84aIAIxOXl


The Eagles fans around me (I was corner end zone on their sideline) didn’t put up much of an argument after that. NFL Films has this angle slowed down and even shows Bradberry putting his right hand on Juju’s chest and left hand around his hip right after this. It’s clear that this impeded him and the ref threw the flag after seeing the ball sail over Juju’s head, acknowledging the impact it had. Would he have caught it without being held? Probably not as Mahomes had pressure in his face and let it rip. But that doesn’t matter with holding and doesn’t have to be a case for it to be a penalty.

Beyond that, it’s important to note why Bradberry felt the need to hold Juju there. The Chiefs scored two walk-in TD’s on their previous two possessions. They used motion in, an abrupt stop, and a whip/drag route out. This was a similar play design although Juju continued in after the snap before pivoting and running the whip route. Bradberry was in press coverage unlike the two previous TD’s but was beat and held to get back into position.

When the defense has struggled to contain something offensively, any holding or penalty to get back into position is magnified. Think about last year’s SB when Cincinnati was flagged on a controversial defensive holding call on 3rd down. The LB very subtly placed two hands on Kupp’s hips. The penalty call was soft and the ball wasn’t thrown very well, but Kupp had been torching them all drive. All eyes were on him and the two hands placed around his waist drew the penalty, saving the Rams from a 4th and Goal play while down 4.

Ultimately, there’s no denying that the penalty affected the final two minutes of this game, just like the previous SB. However, it’s unrealistic to expect the refs to not throw penalty flags if they witness what they believe to be a penalty. Furthermore, the idea of a “rigged league” is laughable. The NFL already got all of their views and money and honestly doesn’t care who wins at that point. If anything the flag brought negative attention, “ruining” a classic finish. But when the player admits it was a penalty postgame and even AJ Brown acknowledges it in his tweet ripping Juju (which was kind of funny), then it’s a penalty.

Lastly, the Eagles themselves even admitted that this isn’t why they lost (very classy postgame comments by Sirianni, Hurts, and company). If they wanted to win they should’ve stopped KC from scoring TD’s on their three previous drives. They should’ve prevented the longest punt return in SB history. They shouldn’t have let Mahomes run 26 yards down the middle of the field in the game’s biggest moment. But as Jason Kelce said, they made more mistakes and the Chiefs were the better team that game.

TL;DR Amazing game, credit to the Eagles/Hurts, and I understand wanting to see the Eagles have a chance to tie/win, but a “soft” penalty is still a penalty and isn’t the reason that they lost.
I love you and that's awesome that you got to go in person and watch your team win a super bowl. I wanted to give you a love reaction for the first paragraph, but I can't be seen endorsing the rest.
 
What a reality smacking you in the face this past weekend without the NFL….

It’s just not right…
 
What a reality smacking you in the face this past weekend without the NFL….

It’s just not right…
Ummmm... Obviously you didn't see AJ McCarron's 12 point comeback win in the XFL opener. :chuckle:
 
The kvetching over this penalty call is sounding like Skip Bayless bitching about the “Luckeyes” 2003 win over Miami due to the late PI call.

Don’t be Skip Bayless.

“Eagles lost. Get over it.” - Mrs. 2FTB, psycho Eagles fan.
not gonna lie, "Luckeyes" is a funny name and I think of it every time I watch OSU play.
 

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