Should the NFL Play at all in 2020? RBF

[AZ_]

Are you not in the political threads?

I haven't been for about a year.

I made a sarcastic comment in response to a sarcastic argument, and was subsequently banned.

Have subsequently asked to be re-added, but the powers that be have only given me a vague explanation for what specifically is preventing me from expressing my opinions in there.

Strange times.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I find the NFL case interesting like I said before. If we take all the risk playing, CTE, injury, other brain trauma, and then take that risk vs the Covid risk alone, I think the Covid risk is far less than just playing the game by itself.

So from a pro (Not college) stand point, how much greater of a risk is it for them to try and play during the outbreak? I think the NFL can have a fanless season with an acceptable risk to me as the risk of just playing the sport is decently high.

If playing during this pandemic removed the other problems that come along with playing football, I would agree with you--the risk to the players alone would be less.

But, that's not the case. COVID is just one more problem you have to throw on top of the heap of issues that NFL players face.

Then you have to realize that we're not just talking about players. We're talking about everyone involved in the NFL. We're also talking about the social circles those individuals find themselves in outside of the NFL.

I think baseball has a decent chance of finishing because you have guys playing every day. There's a good chance they don't have much time to go out and bring risk into the circle that is the on-field competition, especially when they're on the road (But hey, Clev and Plesac sure proved us wrong there!). However, the rosters in football are larger, the staffs are larger, there is more physical contact, and then you have a week between games. It's a pretty sloppy recipe.

 

[Lee]

If playing during this pandemic removed the other problems that come along with playing football, I would agree with you--the risk to the players alone would be less.

But, that's not the case. COVID is just one more problem you have to throw on top of the heap of issues that NFL players face.

Then you have to realize that we're not just talking about players. We're talking about everyone involved in the NFL. We're also talking about the social circles those individuals find themselves in outside of the NFL.

I think baseball has a decent chance of finishing because you have guys playing every day. There's a good chance they don't have much time to go out and bring risk into the circle that is the on-field competition, especially when they're on the road (But hey, Clev and Plesac sure proved us wrong there!). However, the rosters in football are larger, the staffs are larger, there is more physical contact, and then you have a week between games. It's a pretty sloppy recipe.

I agree, it is an added risk obviously, but they still take risk to just play the game.

NFL is different, I know NBA is in the bubble, but they are the biggest partiers of any sport and they play 82 games. I think if they do every 2 or 3 day testing for the players at practice and before games we can complete a season. Players need to self police and realize they just cant go out during the season. Camps have begun and very low positive tests right now, and similar to baseball protocols in place.

The one issue Football has over baseball is all the close contact will be an issue if someone has it on game day, multiple will get it. We could have a very Miami Marlins issue but even bigger, thus the need to make sure the players know what is at risk. With basketball and baseball having their issues, football going last of the 4 major sports should be a warning call and help with the self policing.

I really do think its possible for NFL, the CFL should cancel, these are kids going to classes, not getting paid, etc.

 

[Sebastian]

I haven't been for about a year.

I made a sarcastic comment in response to a sarcastic argument, and was subsequently banned.

Have subsequently asked to be re-added, but the powers that be have only given me a vague explanation for what specifically is preventing me from expressing my opinions in there.

Strange times.

This is neither the time nor place to discuss permanent bans from the Politics Forum but your version of events is about as far from reality as one could possibly be.

The first step to recovery is admitting one has erred.

This is the final word on the matter in this thread.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Imagine if he lives in a nursing home, and brings that virus back, and kills 50 people. Let's say he only lives with his grandson, who catches the disease, doesn't die, but has tissue scarring that negatively affects the rest of his life. This individual shouldn't be allowed to make those decisions for innocent bystanders. Your rights are not absolute. They end where they infringe on the rights of others.

Just... I'm so sick of the selfish fucks we have to deal with. It's half a year gone with no end in sight.

Wow. Well, I'll just say that he lives at home, that this was a meeting at which masks and social distancing were required and worn by everyone, and that our concern was for his health on the very small chance it spread to that particular "selfish fuck" anyway.

I think I best not say anything more.

 

[Zeus69]

Have you not heard of issues people have been having after recovery? I thought it was common knowledge that many people have lingering effects. It is hardly an esoteric topic.

There are reams of information on complications due to COVID. Literally more documentation than can be read in a week.

Thousands who have recovered have serious lung damage.

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/07/0...rt-damage-covid-19-may-leave-lingering-marks/

I’ll piggyback here… Don’t want to quibble over “long term” versus “permanent“ because the reality is that this virus has found novel ways to impact the lives of many beyond what originally thought.

Long after a Covid-19 infection, mental and neurological effects smolder

As many as 1 in 3 patients recovering from Covid-19 could experience neurological or psychological after-effects of their infections.

www.statnews.com

 

[inliner311]

I think baseball has a decent chance of finishing because you have guys playing every day. There's a good chance they don't have much time to go out and bring risk into the circle that is the on-field competition, especially when they're on the road (But hey, Clev and Plesac sure proved us wrong there!). However, the rosters in football are larger, the staffs are larger, there is more physical contact, and then you have a week between games. It's a pretty sloppy recipe.

Just from my extensive bar hopping experience and having friends that could get us into exclusive places in other cities, baseball players are out all the time during the season. I knew a White Sox relief pitcher who would bounce back and forward between being on the roster and not. He would hang out with my friends all summer in Chicago going to clubs and using his MLB players union card helping them get into places.

As far as I know with NFL players is they stay away from bars and clubs on the weekends during the season because it's right before game day. They tend to go out Sunday or Monday nights. They might actually be able to have the self control better than MLB players for their season.

NBA players are also out all the time during the season.

 

[Randolphkeys]

This is amazing:

Seahawks rookie who was released after sneaking visitor into team hotel apologizes to Seattle coaches, execs

Kemah Siverand was an undrafted rookie attempting to make the cornerback depth chart

www.cbssports.com

"Seattle had previously announced Siverand's release on Tuesday but did not cite a reason for his departure, simply noting that it helped the team trim its offseason roster to 76 players. But video footage, per Pelissero, showed the Oklahoma State product trying to bring a woman into the Seahawks' makeshift training camp facilities. The unwelcome guest was even wearing Seahawks apparel in an attempt to look like a player."

First of all .

Now I got questions. Did she look like a woman who could pass for an NFL player? I mean, if that's what gets you off, all the power to you...

Most important question, and this is for all of you...

How would you personally try to sneak a hook up into the NFL bubble to finally get laid?

 

[Vee-Rex]

You guys ready to have your hearts broken again?

Hard no for me. I'd rather see what we have in DPJ.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

You guys ready to have your hearts broken again?

Hard no for me. I'd rather see what we have in DPJ.

I feel comfortable saying that DPJ is a more dynamic player to have on an NFL roster, right now, than Josh Gordon.

Gordon's lost all the speed that made him special. For two years now, the dude's been closer to Kelvin Benjamin than he is to Flash Gordon.

1) I don't think there's any way this organization would ever bring him back
2) I don't think he fills a need.

 

[6.19.2016]

For two years now, the dude's been closer to Kelvin Benjamin than he is to Flash Gordon.

1) I don't think there's any way this organization would ever bring him back
2) I don't think he fills a need.

Insert buffet jokes that appear en masse on reddit.

Actually only been one time I'm aware of that Gordon has munchie'd into KB's weight class, and it still sounds surreal to imagine him being fat:

Teammate: Josh Gordon "hit rock bottom," weighed 255, in shape now - ProFootballTalk

Many players — and many people — who have substance abuse issues have to bottom out before they can bounce. And that’s what suspended Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon is in the process of doing now, according to teammate Donte Whitner. “I understand he’s a young guy,” Whitner said, via Mary Kay...

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

It would be a very Haslam move to give Gordon his 167006353375th chance, so until Flush says he's done I refuse to believe he's actually done...

 

[chrisrich91]

Browns proposed plan for fans at FirstEnergy Stadium: Tickets in pods, stadium in quadrants, masks and no tailgating

The Browns plan for fans this season includes significantly limited capacity with tickets being sold in pods and movement within the stadium limited..

www.cleveland.com

 

[Jack Brickman]

You guys ready to have your hearts broken again?

Hard no for me. I'd rather see what we have in DPJ.

Does anyone still give a shit about Josh Gordon in the year 2020? Dude's been washed for a few years now. The few games he's actually played in he was nothing special. He's a season-long suspension waiting to happen.