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Should the NFL Play at all in 2020? RBF

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My response to this argument in other years was simply, "Well, they signed on. Nobody makes them participate in the sport. They are under-compensated, but they know what they signed up to do."

In THIS SPECIFIC Covid-19 environment? No, nobody signed up to put their long-term health so clearly at risk. It's different this season, and the schools aren't choosing safety over the almighty dollar.

If there is any silver lining from this, its the dispensing of those arguments once and for all.

Just because participation in a sport is voluntary, that does not excuse the suppression of economic rights of the players themselves. Most especially if such economic opportunity does not include their affiliation with the school, but their own name, image and likeness.
 
Isn't that hysterical?

From 2017-2020, over $10 BILLION has gone to coaches and administrators, with zero dollars being split amongst the athletes.

There are numerous stakeholders who get paid out hundreds of thousands every year.

NCAA partners, Conference partners, University partners, boosters, networks, bowl game "non-profits." All of them get a slice of the pie.

Boosters generally are paying money -- the only thing they're making money-wise is from whatever benefit they get attracting more customers because they're a booster. And networks also are paying money to schools. That's the revenue. So the question is what schools do with all that.

There's been a ton of studies on this, but very few athletic departments overall make money for their school. Here's one that actually agrees with you that athletes are getting screwed, and it says about only a dozen or so schools actually have athletic departments that generate net revenue:

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So sure, lots of coaches, administrators, facilities maintenance, etc. people make money off sports because they're employees, and that's their job. They're not going to do it unless they get paid. So, you could argue that all those coaches, administrators, facilities maintenance people, trainers, etc., in all those other sports essentially are making their livings off the backs of the football and men's basketball players, and that should end. The money should go to the players in those sports rather than to the coaches, administrators, etc., people in all those non-revenue producing sports that are subsidized by football and basketball.

So if they want the money train to stop completely and the market to adjust to semi-professional and/or minor league football/basketball reaping the benefits, so be it.

Well, given that the NCAA already has filed their appeal to the Supreme Court on that issue, it's pretty clear that they're willing to role the dice against semi-pro/minor leagues.
 
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What’s it matter if someone in the NFL catches COVID anyways?

As long as they’re daily testing anyone who gets the virus can quarantine for the needed 14 days right after testing....

These guys are not at risk of death from the disease...

Because there are potential significant long-term side effects of this particular virus and we don't even know what all of them are yet because it hasn't been around long enough to properly study.

And that's not even getting into the fact that, just because they have a low rate of dying due to covid, that doesn't mean they can't spread it to people with a higher rate, like friends, family, coaches, etc.
 
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My response to this argument in other years was simply, "Well, they signed on. Nobody makes them participate in the sport. They are under-compensated, but they know what they signed up to do."

In THIS SPECIFIC Covid-19 environment? No, nobody signed up to put their long-term health so clearly at risk. It's different this season, and the schools aren't choosing safety over the almighty dollar.

I think the schools' position is untenable if they're not even holding in person classes. If they are holding in person classes, and there's all the inevitable contact that comes with that, I think their position is stronger.
 
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What’s it matter if someone in the NFL catches COVID anyways?

As long as they’re daily testing anyone who gets the virus can quarantine for the needed 14 days right after testing....

These guys are not at risk of death from the disease...

They'd be risking long term damage to their organs, in addition to the more remote prospect of dying.

Not only would they have to miss time, but face the possibility of extensive recovery to their lungs and other organs before they'd be able to even think about competing at a level needed to succeed in the NFL.

I'd imagine it matters a great deal to them, and their families, and the people with whom they're in contact with. To say nothing of the coaches, support staff and administrators that help these teams function at a high level.
 
Boosters generally are paying money -- the only thing they're making money-wise is from whatever benefit they get attracting more customers because they're a booster. And networks also are paying money to schools. That's the revenue. So the question is what schools do with all that.

Sometimes boosters will utilize universities to put their cash through in order to take advantage of tax breaks.

We can remove them if you'd like, the remainder of the argument is still intact.

here's been a ton of studies on this, but very few athletic departments overall make money for their school. Here's one that actually agrees with you that athletes are getting screwed, and it says about only a dozen or so schools actually have athletic departments that generate net revenue:

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They've been peddling this line for years. Do you really believe that the NCAA would spend decades expanding sports and the business of collegiate athletics if it were not wholly profitable for universities to do so?

They manipulate revenues and expenses at will to continue the false narrative that they aren't making money. To boot, there is nothing that says athletic departments need to be profitable in order for athletes to earn a share of wages, especially considering what they pay coaches and administrators in a true FREE market.

Other problems with the revenue/expense reports include:
1. Over-reporting of the value of scholarships, which certainly don't cost the universities the full amount that a non-athletic department student would pay in tuition and expenses. While this undoubtedly costs something, they include this to make it appear less profitable.

2. Lottery funds, Title IX & OOS tuition waivers

3. Merchandise splitting between university departments.

4. League media rights deals.

5. Under-reported "gifts" to the university because of sports

6. Subsidies

Nowhere were some of these issues more present then UAB, where they cancelled their football program due to perceived budget shortfalls, only to have a sports economist call out their shady practices which debunked the narrative.


So sure, lots of coaches, administrators, facilities maintenance, etc. people make money off sports because they're employees, and that's their job. They're not going to do it unless they get paid. So, you could argue that all those coaches, administrators, facilities maintenance people, trainers, etc., in all those other sports essentially are making their livings off the backs of the football and men's basketball players, and that should end.

I suspect they're willing to role the dice and bet that won't happen.

The next best alternative is to pool these revenues at an NCAA level and distribute accordingly as a fund. There are plenty of ways in which such a system could work to include athletes earning part of this enormous pie, but the only hurdle standing in the way of trying is the brick wall of suits and lobbying that keeps the currently unfair system in place.

Like I said at the outset, they'll gladly put the health and safety of kids at risk to continue having these profits keep coming every year.

If only 27 college athletics departments were profitable, do you think we'd be making this much effort to overcome a deadly pandemic to play through it?

I'd be skeptical of that...In fact, I think we all know better.
 
They'd be risking long term damage to their organs, in addition to the more remote prospect of dying.

Not only would they have to miss time, but face the possibility of extensive recovery to their lungs and other organs before they'd be able to even think about competing at a level needed to succeed in the NFL.

I'd imagine it matters a great deal to them, and their families, and the people with whom they're in contact with. To say nothing of the coaches, support staff and administrators that help these teams function at a high level.

Luckily for them they have the option to opt out if they don’t want to play.

On top of that you’re fabricating the severity of the disease. So good on you.
 
What’s it matter if someone in the NFL catches COVID anyways?

As long as they’re daily testing anyone who gets the virus can quarantine for the needed 14 days right after testing....

These guys are not at risk of death from the disease...

Some guys are at risk depending on their health (particularly offensive and defensive linemen who weigh a lot). Some have asthma and other health conditions that put them at risk. The coaches are also at risk and could die from it. People have families that could suffer.

I know I've been extremely cautious and even more so now that my pixie-haircut wife is pregnant (8'ish weeks). We have no idea how COVID-19 could impact the health of the baby. It's pretty scary to think of and I 100% understand and support players for opting out and being concerned about how this thing can impact them and their families.
 
Because there are potential significant long-term side effects of this particular virus and we don't even know what all of them are yet because it hasn't been around long enough to properly study.

And that's not even getting into the fact that, just because they have a low rate of dying due to covid, that doesn't mean they can't spread it to people with a higher rate, like friends, family, coaches, etc.

Again, if you’re testing every day it’s really a non issue. Once they know they have it, it’s an easy quarantine for 14 days. If they don’t want to risk spreading it to others then opt out. It’s that simple.
 
Some guys are at risk depending on their health (particularly offensive and defensive linemen who weigh a lot). Some have asthma and other health conditions that put them at risk. The coaches are also at risk and could die from it. People have families that could suffer.

I know I've been extremely cautious and even more so now that my pixie-haircut wife is pregnant (8'ish weeks). We have no idea how COVID-19 could impact the health of the baby. It's pretty scary to think of and I 100% understand and support players for opting out and being concerned about how this thing can impact them and their families.

If you have health issues opt out.
 
Luckily for them they have the option to opt out if they don’t want to play.

On top of that you’re fabricating the severity of the disease. So good on you.

Compelling argument, here.

Tough call, but I'm going to go with the overwhelming take of the medical community with regards to the long term effects to organs and the non-zero death rate for players in that age range.

Can you point out something that was "fabricated" in my response, or are you desperately trolling to incite?
 
Luckily for them they have the option to opt out if they don’t want to play.

On top of that you’re fabricating the severity of the disease. So good on you.

 

"Typically contracted after a viral infection"

Keep stretching. A guy gets something that can be caused by any respiratory viral infection doesn't prove that there are long term damage done to organs.
 
"Typically contracted after a viral infection"

Keep stretching. A guy gets something that can be caused by any respiratory viral infection doesn't prove that there are long term damage done to organs.

Well, good thing there isn't a prevalent widespread highly contagious virus going around.
 
Well, good thing there isn't a prevalent widespread highly contagious virus going around.

It's not like the variations of viral influenza's have been around for oh, thousands of years now.

Again, they have the option to opt out. I think they know what's best for them more than YOU know what's best for them. They're all adults and can make their own decisions.

The players have the power to decide if they want to go down that path or not. In the end, they're at an extremely, extremely low risk of coming across any harm if they even contract the virus.
 

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