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Starting lineups - who in the 2 hole

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Who should bat 2nd in the order?

  • Gimenez all the time

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Rosario all the time

    Votes: 6 25.0%
  • Gimenez against RHP/Amed against LHP

    Votes: 5 20.8%
  • Something else.. What? Tito?

    Votes: 5 20.8%

  • Total voters
    24
Amed is terrible at the top of the order. Better to surprise people at the bottom.

Give Jose as many at bats as possible in the 2 spot.

Let Andres follow until Valera is ready to take over 3
 
It should be Gimenez.

Hitting one of the best players in baseball 6th or 7th doesn’t make a ton of sense to me. Probably missing out on 50 to 100 at bats from him because of that. I’d rather he get 50 to 100 extra at bats than Rosario too.

But still, this is like the rich crying poor when we’re talking about a .280 to .290 batting average hitter not being good enough to bat 2nd.
 
It should be Gimenez.

Hitting one of the best players in baseball 6th or 7th doesn’t make a ton of sense to me. Probably missing out on 50 to 100 at bats from him because of that. I’d rather he get 50 to 100 extra at bats than Rosario too.

But still, this is like the rich crying poor when we’re talking about a .280 to .290 batting average hitter not being good enough to bat 2nd.

Gimenez though has the same issue as Rosario... They don't have good OBP%... You usually want a good OBP% in the 2 hole so he doesn't actually do much better there in my mind at least. On paper, a guy like Brennan or Straw could be better in the end...
 
Gimenez though has the same issue as Rosario... They don't have good OBP%... You usually want a good OBP% in the 2 hole so he doesn't actually do much better there in my mind at least. On paper, a guy like Brennan or Straw could be better in the end...

Gimenez is coming off a .370 on base season. How is that not good?

He seems like an ideal guy there. High batting average and good on base percentage.
 
Gimenez though has the same issue as Rosario... They don't have good OBP%... You usually want a good OBP% in the 2 hole so he doesn't actually do much better there in my mind at least. On paper, a guy like Brennan or Straw could be better in the end...
What? Gimenez's OBP was just dandy (.371) and given his hit/speed/power combo, that is perfect to bat behind Kwan everyday if it were up to me. Those two have the potential to wreck so much havoc before JRam even gets a chance to swing. IMO - Kwan, Gimenez, JRam would be one of the leagues top 1,2,3.

Amed would be so much better batting in the lower half after Josh Naylor and Oscar Gonzalez. His plus tool is hitting and that works great for driving in runs, which he seems pretty good at already. Give him a chance to try to tap into some power, I don't think any of us would be that surprised if Amed hits 15+ homeruns this year. Amed could be a very good stabilizing force batting in the mix with Ogonz, Naylor and Bell, while piling up some tasty stats in the process.
 
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Gimenez is coming off a .370 on base season. How is that not good?

He seems like an ideal guy there. High batting average and good on base percentage.
What? Gimenez's OBP was just dandy (.371) and given his hit/speed/power combo, that is perfect to bat behind Kwan everyday if it were up to me. Those two have the potential to wreck so much havoc before JRam even gets to swing. IMO - Kwan, Gimenez, JRam would be one of the leagues top 1,2,3.

Amed would be so much better batting in the lower half after Josh Naylor and Oscar Gonzalez. His plus tool is hitting and that works great for driving in runs, which he seems pretty good at already. Give him a chance to try to tap into some power, I don't think any of would be overly surprised if Amed hits 15+ homeruns this year. Amed could be a very good stabilizing force batting in the mix with Ogonz, Naylor and Bell, while piling up some tasty stats in the process.

Honestly Gimenez OBP% is based off of 25 HBP SINCE he doesn't walk very much at all aka 6.1%...

His .371 is actually an outlier with his BB rate... Look at the whole set of numbers since without those HBP he really doesn't get on base all that well...
 
Honestly Gimenez OBP% is based off of 25 HBP SINCE he doesn't walk very much at all aka 6.1%...

His .371 is actually an outlier with his BB rate... Look at the whole set of numbers since without those HBP he really doesn't get on base all that well...
why would I just ignore his HBP though? lol. ok. He's still better.. Still better than Amed's 3.7% walk rate... And still a better option at the top of the order.

Edit. I also much rather see Amed taking swings with runners in scoring position(s), rather than being on 1st base or being empty.
 
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Projections have Gimenez around .330 and Rosario around .310. If the question is who would get on base more between Rosario and Gimenez I think the smart bet has to be Gimenez. But... (in Tito voice) Amed is hitting 2nd - deal with it!

I'd personally prefer Gimenez/Naylor out of the 3 hole and JRam/Bell in 2/4 because OBP matters least for 3rd and Gimenez would be the lowest OBP in the top 4 still even at .330. Seems like Tito also has an attachment to Jose hitting 3rd based on an old, basically proven wrong idea that your best hitter should be #3 (no, your best hitters actually should be 1, 2, and 4).

Having Kwan/Gimenez/Naylor in 1/3/5 seems like the ideal way to put together the puzzle, and probably Naylor goes in the 5 hole just because Guards like lineup consistency and you don't want Naylor or his platoon in the 3 hole against lefties.
 
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Honestly Gimenez OBP% is based off of 25 HBP SINCE he doesn't walk very much at all aka 6.1%...

His .371 is actually an outlier with his BB rate... Look at the whole set of numbers since without those HBP he really doesn't get on base all that well...

Okay?

Cut his HBP in half and he’s at what, .356 on base percentage?

Again, is that bad?
 
Gimenez is coming off a .370 on base season. How is that not good?

He seems like an ideal guy there. High batting average and good on base percentage.
Handles the bat well.. can lay down a bunt.. has some wheels to beat out a slow roller past the pitcher.. etc.. Ideal, in many ways..
 
vs RHP:
LF Kwan
3B Ramirez
SS Gimenez
DH Bell
1B Naylor
RF OGonz
SS Rosario
C Zunino
CF Straw

vs LHP:
LF Kwan
3B Ramirez
SS Gimenez
DH Bell
RF OGonz
SS Rosario
1B Arias/Freeman (PH for Naylor later)
C Zunino
CF Straw

Honestly this lineup looks pretty stacked. There's a bit of a lack of consistency but the top 4 stays in place. Technically I don't think Kwan really belongs as leadoff against LHP from a pure production point of view but I don't think we're going to see that change at least not yet.
 
Gimenez is coming off a .370 on base season. How is that not good?

He seems like an ideal guy there. High batting average and good on base percentage.
He's just making shit up to fit his narrative. In no way shape or form is Amed more ideal in the 2 hole than Gimenez. There's just no evidence to support such a claim that I can think of or that I've seen. I can't wait for any/all of Rocchio, Arias and Freeman to show that they belong and to be done with all this Amed Rosario talk.
 
He's just making shit up to fit his narrative. In no way shape or form is Amed more ideal in the 2 hole than Gimenez. There's just no evidence to support such a claim that I can think of or that I've seen. I can't wait for any/all of Rocchio, Arias and Freeman to show that they belong and to be done with all this Amed Rosario talk.

Not really... Gimenez doesn't really get one base much outside of hitting, the same as Rosario...
 
Not really... Gimenez doesn't really get one base much outside of hitting, the same as Rosario...
Yes really, his OBP and BA say otherwise so.........

I find it mind boggling that you could be arguing for Amed over Andres in the 2 hole.
 

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