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Super Bowl LVI - Ohio vs Odell

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Flip the coin
Receive the ball
Get a field goal or touchdown or go 3 & out or turnover on downs

In the event you score a field goal or touchdown you kick the ball off and try to prevent them from tying the game or winning the game with your defense.

In the event you don’t score and you want to play field position —punt the ball and have your defense attempt to get you the ball back..

In the end at least each team’s offense and defense is out there for 1 series to prove themselves.
 
This is no defense to not getting a stop with :13 left on the clock, but it’s pretty simple to me:

Do what you’re doing now, except if the first team scores a TD, the opponent still gets a chance to possess the ball with a chance to tie the game. If they do not score a TD, they lose.

If they tie, keep playing.

How is this not obvious? Why does a TD change everything where a FG does not?

It’s mind boggling that people are so quick to defend the current system when a tweak this simple could fix it. The current rules are nonsense.
 
OBJ first asked for a trade after the 2020 season, a year in which the Browns won 11 games, a playoff game over their rival, and were one or two breaks away from the AFC Championship. Because, despite team success, he wasn't getting enough targets to his liking.

"Me University"

That's what the team leaked through an anonymous source after they decided to release him.

I find that unmoving.
 
That's what the team leaked through an anonymous source after they decided to release him.

I find that unmoving.

Not sure how after following his time with the Browns you can side with Odell over the franchise, but you do you.
 
Forgot to post this the other night. Went to the Cavs game Saturday night. Tip off was at 8pm so watched the end of the Bengals/Titans game in one of the arena's bar areas before the Cavs game started. I found it really odd how crazy fans were going over the Bengals... the cheering after the INT of Tannehill and GW FG... you would've thought it was the Browns playing. Everybody's motivations are different but the overall gist from people cheering was "it's good to see an Ohio team do well" and "so happy for Joe Burrow". Kind of weird if you ask me. Most Browns fans don't harbor the hatred for the Bengals that we do for the Ravens or Steelers, but they're still a rival at the end of the day. Not to mention it just makes the Browns look worse. We now have the longest conference championship game drought in football, was the Bengals before that. Anyway, couldn't be me. Wasn't mad to see the Bengals beat the Raiders, but definitely wasnt rooting for them beyond that, and I question why any Browns fan would. Like, were Bengals fans at bars down in Cincinnati rooting for the Browns against the Chiefs last year because “they’re an Ohio team”? I doubt it.
 
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Not sure how after following his time with the Browns you can side with Odell over the franchise, but you do you.
You didn’t really see many Bucs players distraught about AB being let go….

OBJ seemed to be pretty popular with his teammates…. On both sides of the ball…
 
Not sure how after following his time with the Browns you can side with Odell over the franchise, but you do you.

The team was wrong.

Players appear to have nothing but love for OBJ while the media, pundits and fans do what they always do.
 
You didn’t really see many Bucs players distraught about AB being let go….

OBJ seemed to be pretty popular with his teammates…. On both sides of the ball…

But he asked to be traded, in the off-season after the team just had playoff success. I question the players on the team that are ok with that more than the franchise itself.
 
The team was wrong.

Players appear to have nothing but love for OBJ while the media, pundits and fans do what they always do.

The man asked out of a not bad situation. The team was in the AFC final four last year. They were still a playoff contender middle of the season when he was still here, before all the injuries and Covid issues stunted the season. It’s not like this is the Browns of 5 years ago who are rebuilding and wasting his career. He had a role here. Baker deserves some blame but Odell deserves some too. He dogged a lot of routes and dropped a lot of balls. Took zero ownership for his own short comings while blaming everyone else. Again, if his teammates dig him, it is what it is. Says more about the losers in that locker room than anything else that they love a guy who a) wanted out in the off-season after a successful year without him, and b) asked off the team in the middle of a season in which there was still a lot to play for.
 
But he asked to be traded, in the off-season after the team just had playoff success. I question the players on the team that are ok with that more than the franchise itself.

And no one heard a peep about that trade request until after he was released. So maybe you’re making a bigger deal about the request than it was in reality. He still showed up to play. He could’ve easily sand bagged his ACL recovery and just sat out games until the trade deadline but he obviously wanted to be out there so he played.
 
The man asked out of a not bad situation. The team was in the AFC final four last year. They were still a playoff contender middle of the season when he was still here, before all the injuries and Covid issues stunted the season. It’s not like this is the Browns of 5 years ago who are rebuilding and wasting his career. He had a role here. Baker deserves some blame but Odell deserves some too. He dogged a lot of routes and dropped a lot of balls. Took zero ownership for his own short comings while blaming everyone else. Again, if his teammates dig him, it is what it is. Says more about the losers in that locker room than anything else that they love a guy who a) wanted out in the off-season after a successful year without him, and b) asked off the team in the middle of a season in which there was still a lot to play for.

Do you have this same energy for David Njoku who also requested a trade or does this stuff only apply to OBJ? Has Higgins not been in contract negotiations every off season?

Should we be looking at Baker sideways for not having his contract situation resolved headed into this season? He’s the AB and ten supposed leader of the team and he doesn’t have a new contract either. He’s not committed to the team long term either and everything Baker has said since the PIT game sounds like a guy who is not committed here long term.

So does any of the stuff you’re saying about OBJ apply to other players too? Also those guys all seem well liked by their teammates except for one who seems to have gone down his own path…….
 
Do you have this same energy for David Njoku who also requested a trade or does this stuff only apply to OBJ? Has Higgins not been in contract negotiations every off season?

Should we be looking at Baker sideways for not having his contract situation resolved headed into this season? He’s the AB and ten supposed leader of the team and he doesn’t have a new contract either. He’s not committed to the team long term either and everything Baker has said since the PIT game sounds like a guy who is not committed here long term.

So does any of the stuff you’re saying about OBJ apply to other players too? Also those guys all seem well liked by their teammates except for one who seems to have gone down his own path…….

No offense Los, but I’m not wasting my time and energy arguing with a guy who’s literally an obsessed OBJ fan boy. It’s a futile effort. We won't see eye to eye. I don't think anyone else wants to see another lengthy OBJ discussion either.

I’ll touch on the other situations though, since they’re all different from OBJ’s:

As far as Njoku goes… the Browns just gave a big money contact to Hooper and used a 4th round pick on Bryant. Njoku wanted playing time and was looking at 3rd on the depth chart. Similar situation happened with Duke Johnson when he asked to be traded. Once he realized Stefanski is a TE whore he changed his tune. Also, the team had not won anything prior to that point. They were a clown show his first few years on the team. So, a former first round pick, seemingly buried on the depth chart on a bad team… I get it.

Higgins is in contract negotiations every year because he’s JAG. If he was more than that he’d be getting more than 1 year slightly above vet minimum offers from teams. It's a sign of growth as an organization that the Browns aren't throwing big money and a long term deal at him just because he's a fan favorite who is a 600 yard guy at his best. The market, two years in a row, has dictated his worth.

Baker's situation is difficult because he’s a QB that’s looked like a franchise QB at times, and looked like a replacement level guy at others. 2018 had a fantastic rookie year. 2019 definite sophomore slump, was out of shape, sloppy, and played pretty awful. The team was also a dumpster fire from a leadership standpoint with Dorsey/Kitchens, so new regime came in. They basically considered his first two years as a wash and it was a clean slate. Baker played well in 2020 but he also played well in 2018. Playing well is not playing elite. I can't fault the team for wanting to see more before paying him top 5-10 QB money, and I can't blame Baker for wanting to cash in on a solid statistical season and leading the franchise to a playoff win for the first time in 30 years. They're both taking a wait and see approach for their own personal reasons. Nothing wrong with that. If Baker becomes elite, he'll get paid by the Browns. If he continues to be an inconsistent mid-tier starter he's either gone or sticking around on a short term deal making the money that type of player earns. Again, kudos to the Browns for not overreacting and overpaying someone just because they're experiencing some success for the first time in a long time.

Now, we have OBJ, who asked to be traded after the franchise's best season in 30 years, and winning a playoff game was done without him. What was learned from the loss to the Chiefs, in addition to what we already knew about the defense needing an overhaul, was that a #1 WR was necessary. A healthy OBJ was supposed to be that guy. He had a role here. He saw targets. He was used on gadget plays. The team valued him. He was properly compensated. Despite all that? He didn't want to be here and he asked out. Sure, he came back and played, but he looked like he was going through the motions and then quit midseason to go elsewhere. He wanted a destination that was both a lock for the playoffs and also good for his brand. He got what he wanted. It is what it is now, but it's not apples to apples with the other situations you mentioned. It's just not.
 
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Jay Glazer on OBJ wanting to be traded:

"Odell's been trying to go to the Rams for a long time. Even after he got traded to the Browns, I remember talking to him and he's like, 'Dude, you've gotta help me get traded to the Rams.' And I'm like, 'Dude, it doesn't work like that, bro. You can't get traded twice in four days."

I'm sure this will get dismissed as Baker or the team leaking lies to the media though.
 

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