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The Pats were relatively competitive against Denver? Did I watch a different game? I actually tend to agree that Peyton choked, Brady is better, and he had no weapons or team around him. I just had to comment about them being competitive. Denver shit on the Pats from start to finish.

Peyton wasn't doing that much against them until Talib got hurt. He got hurt, Thomas was able to free up, then that was it.

Brady did make it interesting for a moment on a comeback, but like usual, his poor cast around him failed. Given Brady did miss a few throws in that game (particularly that one play action to Edelman for TD), but he was literally the only one that showed up for that game.
 
I'd say the top 4 NFC teams would have a really good shot at beating Denver.

And of the top QBs, Brady had the worst supporting cast, by far.

Also, I'd like to know where do you guys think Brees stands on the all-time list? Obviously he has accomplished less than Brady or Peyton career-wise, but at least post 2006, he's been pretty on par with these guys, if not better (call me biased).
 
I honestly don't think there is any team in the past several years that would have done much better than Denver did last night. That's not really saying anything about Denver either, that's just how good Seattle was. I don't think Peyton/Denver choked at all, I think they just got an honest to goodness ass whooping by a team that was far more hungry for that win, and much better prepared. Putting any blame on Manning is taking away credit that Seattle deserves.

Manning certainly didn't play his best game, but that was just domination from top to bottom.
 
I honestly don't think there is any team in the past several years that would have done much better than Denver did last night. That's not really saying anything about Denver either, that's just how good Seattle was. I don't think Peyton/Denver choked at all, I think they just got an honest to goodness ass whooping by a team that was far more hungry for that win, and much better prepared. Putting any blame on Manning is taking away credit that Seattle deserves.

Manning certainly didn't play his best game, but that was just domination from top to bottom.

Denver was awful. Manning was horrible. Those picks were on him, and he was waaay off on long and intermediate throws. He broke the completion record by throwing screens that were pretty much useless. 30 yards rushing and the defense playing like trash didn't help.

9ers and NO gave Seattle a better game, mostly because both of those defenses are solid.
 
I'd say the top 4 NFC teams would have a really good shot at beating Denver.

And of the top QBs, Brady had the worst supporting cast, by far.

Also, I'd like to know where do you guys think Brees stands on the all-time list? Obviously he has accomplished less than Brady or Peyton career-wise, but at least post 2006, he's been pretty on par with these guys, if not better (call me biased).

Brees outside the comfort of his dome hasn't made the greatest case for him in recent years. However, he must be the happiest of all over Peyton's failures. As bad a he looked against Seattle, he was far more impressive against them than Peyton and the greatest offense of all time were.
 
I honestly don't think there is any team in the past several years that would have done much better than Denver did last night. That's not really saying anything about Denver either, that's just how good Seattle was. I don't think Peyton/Denver choked at all, I think they just got an honest to goodness ass whooping by a team that was far more hungry for that win, and much better prepared. Putting any blame on Manning is taking away credit that Seattle deserves.

Manning certainly didn't play his best game, but that was just domination from top to bottom.

See, I hate this. Should we give Peyton all the credit when they do well and NONE of the blame when he stinks the joint out? And I'm not discrediting Seattle at all. There's NO SHAME if they just got beat. I picked Denver to win, but I was so undecided. I thought Seattle was a slight better, but Peyton vs Wilson to me was too much of an X factor to ignore.

And no, there are QB's that did MUCH better. Colin Kaepernick, who clearly isn't as good as Peyton, he played better against them! Drew Brees played better, and made it interesting in Seattle.

You get beat down this bad, you got to take credit that you stunk. If they got beat, hey, but are you seriously trying to say that Seattle is 43-8 better than them? If that's the case, how the hell did they even lose at all this year?

Peyton froze, and choked. He saw a team come out swinging, and he bent right over for them. I saw a great 49ers team DOMINATE TOM BRADY just like this last year. What did he do? He CAME BACK, and almost pulled off the miracle comeback, because that's what you expect from greatness! It's not always about winning, its just doing something, because you know, you're suppose to be great after all.
 
Brees outside the comfort of his dome hasn't made the greatest case for him in recent years. However, he must be the happiest of all over Peyton's failures. As bad a he looked against Seattle, he was far more impressive against them than Peyton and the greatest offense of all time were.

While I do agree that Brees is much better at home, I think this he can't win outside the dome thing is a little overblown.

If you look at this season's splits:

Brady:
HOME 8-0 / 61.9% / 15 TDS / 5 INTS / 92.8 RATE
AWAY 4-4 / 59.3% / 10 TDS / 6 INTS / 82.3 RATE

Brees:
HOME 8-0 / 73.6% / 27 TDS / 3 INTS / 126.3 RATE
AWAY 3-5 / 64% / 12 TDS / 9 INTS / 84.8 RATE

They are pretty much the same on the road, the difference being Brees plays out of his mind at home, so the drop of production is more noticeable.

In the playoffs is another story, even though I'd say most of those Saints road playoff losses were on the defense (2010, 2011).
 
Brady's numbers aren't much better at home this year, hell his numbers in general for this year sucked. The obvious lack of talent and missing Gronk explained that. Brady throughout his career, when he's on top of his game can go anywhere, play in any weather condition, and still drop a monster game on the field. Anyone that seriously thinks Manning is better, just watch the game this year when both had to play in freezing conditions, when it was windy. Manning had a 150 yards because it was too cold, Brady was throwing darts down the field, going against the wind, and clearly out performed Manning soundly throwing over double years Manning put up.

Manning might be the smartest QB ever, does all these great things at the line of scrimmage, no question. No one is better at out thinking a defense than he is. I'll take Brady, his moxy, toughness, competitive spirit, and his cannon arm any day. He can go anywhere and play in any condition and light the scoreboard up.

As for Brees, he's definitely a HOF football player, and definitely an all-time great. I wouldn't dispute that at all. But if we're talking about one of the greatest ever, I think that's when you leave him off the discussion.

He's definitely not a choker like Manning in the post season though. Usually when his teams have gotten beat, they were suppose to lose. No one thought they'd beat Seattle, 49ers, the Bears at home, the only team thought they should have beat was the Seahawks in 2011 (was it?) and as you can see even with an average team, they're still tough to beat in that place.

I wouldn't list Brees as a fail in the playoffs compared to Peyton, who clearly is not great and has had a lot of meltdown on his watch during big playoff games.

Manning is definitely overall the better of the two though. But who would I take in the post season between the two? Honestly, I don't know how you make the case of Manning over a Brees, or Rodgers even at this point. Do I dare even say his brother Eli too, who basically is garbage every other time but the playoffs?
 
Brady's numbers aren't much better at home this year, hell his numbers in general for this year sucked. The obvious lack of talent and missing Gronk explained that. Brady throughout his career, when he's on top of his game can go anywhere, play in any weather condition, and still drop a monster game on the field. Anyone that seriously thinks Manning is better, just watch the game this year when both had to play in freezing conditions, when it was windy. Manning had a 150 yards because it was too cold, Brady was throwing darts down the field, going against the wind, and clearly out performed Manning soundly throwing over double years Manning put up.

Manning might be the smartest QB ever, does all these great things at the line of scrimmage, no question. No one is better at out thinking a defense than he is. I'll take Brady, his moxy, toughness, competitive spirit, and his cannon arm any day. He can go anywhere and play in any condition and light the scoreboard up.

As for Brees, he's definitely a HOF football player, and definitely an all-time great. I wouldn't dispute that at all. But if we're talking about one of the greatest ever, I think that's when you leave him off the discussion.

He's definitely not a choker like Manning in the post season though. Usually when his teams have gotten beat, they were suppose to lose. No one thought they'd beat Seattle, 49ers, the Bears at home, the only team thought they should have beat was the Seahawks in 2011 (was it?) and as you can see even with an average team, they're still tough to beat in that place.

I wouldn't list Brees as a fail in the playoffs compared to Peyton, who clearly is not great and has had a lot of meltdown on his watch during big playoff games.

Manning is definitely overall the better of the two though. But who would I take in the post season between the two? Honestly, I don't know how you make the case of Manning over a Brees, or Rodgers even at this point. Do I dare even say his brother Eli too, who basically is garbage every other time but the playoffs?

Yeah I'm not disputing Brees is ahead of them because he isn't. I just feel he deserves at least top 10 discussion.

Agreed on everything you said, except the 49ers thing. Don't think we were supposed to lose. That one was a heartbreaker for me because that offense was even better than 2009. I'd say they were on 2013 Broncos level. Managed to overcome 5 turnovers and put 32 points on that ridiculous 49ers defense only to lose on a game-winning drive where the defense made Alex Smith look like Joe Montana. I'm sure they would have crushed the Giants in the NFCCG.
 
If they got beat, hey, but are you seriously trying to say that Seattle is 43-8 better than them? If that's the case, how the hell did they even lose at all this year?

How the hell did the Browns have that streak where we beat the defending Super Bowl champs while being a shitty team year after year? Because its the NFL, every team is talented and capable of playing above their heads for a game or a stretch of games and they can come out and kick the shit out of someone they aren't supposed to beat. There's no way Seattle could have played like that every single week of a season, that type of play just isn't sustainable, but in that game yes I believe they were 43-8 better than the Broncos. I didn't see any choking at all, I just saw a team getting it in the ass and they couldn't stop it from happening no matter what they did. I've played in games like that where nothing works, you're getting hit in the mouth, making mental mistakes, committing turnovers, and the frustration sets in and its like quicksand - the harder you try the worse it gets.

They played one of the best games I've ever seen out of a defense in the Super Bowl, and the offense was efficient and effective. The Broncos were the opposite; they came out nervous and the first play of the game set the tone. The center snaps the ball into the back of the end zone and they never recovered. I give credit to Seattle for putting their foot on their throat and never letting off of them for a second. However, you give Peyton Manning a 7 game series and I think he eats Seattle alive; but that's not how the NFL works. Sometimes the team that wins is only the better team that day.
 
But this isn't a seven game series. You're acting like this is a fluke. He has a 11-13 record in the post season, and is 1-3 in Super Bowls. So are you so sure he'd eat them alive? The Peyton Manning that has 24 playoff games, teams that he's gone against clearly not as good defensively, and isn't even a .500 QB in the playoffs?

I'm not one of these Peyton haters. The guy is great, all-time great. Great guy, funny commercials, probably the smartest QB we've ever seen. His ability to out think the defense, that can't be disputed.

He's a great QB in the regular season, and just average in the post season. This can't be disputed, I don't care how badly people want to make a case for him as the best ever. His post season record is unacceptable, and we're talking about guy that's be one and done 9 times.

And, I could also point out his one and only SB, virtually had very little to do with Peyton Manning. He beat the worst starting QB in SB history in Rex Grossman, and only threw 3 TD's to his 7 picks along the way to win that one.

I love the same people that want to label Tom Brady as a game manager in his first 3 SB wins, but don't want to point out that's exactly what Peyton was in his one and only SB win ever!

He's not better than Montana or Brady. I don't care if he does this, or that better than them in the regular season. To just use regular season alone, talent, or how many TD's a guy throws is absurd. Mental toughness doesn't equate to greatness? Of course it does! I'm not going to say Peyton is soft, but mentally he seems overwhelmed in big games, more times than not.
 
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