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Which teams do you see as tankers this season? I see the current bottom 5 teams, in no order, as the Clippers, Hawks, Magic, Bulls, and the Kings. With some trades of our own I can see us right in that bunch.
 
Tank for RJ Barrett!

Trade Hill + JR for bad contracts and picks at the deadline.

Trade Love ASAP for a pick and young player

TT, Korver should not see the court!

Depth:

Sexton, Clarkson
Hood, Mathias
Osman, Preston
Nance, White
Zizic, TT
 
Tank for RJ Barrett!

Trade Hill + JR for bad contracts and picks at the deadline.

Trade Love ASAP for a pick and young player

TT, Korver should not see the court!

Depth:

Sexton, Clarkson
Hood, Mathias
Osman, Preston
Nance, White
Zizic, TT

Not sure he even wants to play anymore but I would not mind Calderon back for a year. True Pro, always ready to play, I rather see him mentor Sexton than Hill
 
So I've been listening to the radio, and talking with people, and I find it extremely hard to believe that there are some syndicates that want us to keep trying to compete, try to make playoffs ETC.

I mean it's a proven fact, even big market teams are doing it, that you need to tank. If you don't you live in a world of mediocrity forever (a la Pacers and Hawks the past 15 years).

We need to hire a new Head Coach with proven ability to develop young players, blow this entire team up ASAP, and tank. I know eternal optimists like Jeff Phelps thinks we can compete, God I just want to strangle him sometimes.
 
Which teams do you see as tankers this season? I see the current bottom 5 teams, in no order, as the Clippers, Hawks, Magic, Bulls, and the Kings. With some trades of our own I can see us right in that bunch.

I've seen enough games when Lebron was out for a long stretch of time or skipped games previous years and I'm very sure we'll be in the bottom 5 as constructed right now.

Unfortunately there is no one on the team who is going to step up and the cavalry isn't coming anytime soon. It will be several years before we shed all of our dead weight including the head coach.
 
It will be several years before we shed all of our dead weight including the head coach.

So?! Who cares. Bench them or make them agree to buyouts. Or, play them along with the young guys if they're willing to show leadership. As long as they're not taking minutes from the developing players, it's literally a non issue.
 
They got us penciled in at #7, which pretty much assures the cavs of a 1-10 pick.

http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds

That's about right where the cavs should want to be. 7th seed lottery odds end up like this--

Pick Odds
1 - 7.5%
2 - 7.8%
3 - 8.1%
4 - 8.5%
5 - 0%
6 - 0%
7 - 19.7%
8 - 34.1%
9 - 12.9%
10 - 1.3%
 
With gsw dynasty, more teams will be inclined to tank. Nobody will be able to challenge gsw this year, so what's the point? It will be difficult for the cavs to acquire picks for next year's draft but expiring contracts will be valuable. I really hope the cavs get their 2019 draft pick back.
 
With gsw dynasty, more teams will be inclined to tank. Nobody will be able to challenge gsw this year, so what's the point? It will be difficult for the cavs to acquire picks for next year's draft but expiring contracts will be valuable. I really hope the cavs get their 2019 draft pick back.

I think if Hill or JR ask for a buy out, we have to really think about calling Atlanta and taking on Bazemore to try to get our pick back. Control our own destiny for the next two years. If we are going burn either of their contracts with a buy out, we might as well take the extra year of salary and have our pick back for sure. Bazemore will help fill the rotation with enough talent to help develop our young guys properly and give us another expiring next summer.
 
The Cavs really need a top 4 pick next year IMO...so many talented wing players to stick next to Sexton and Cedi for the foreseeable future
 
I don't see the Cavs all-out tanking like they did last time, and I don't think they should either.

They're going to come into salary cap flexibility MUCH quicker this time than they did last time, so they need to have at least a semblance of a decent landing spot in place for those tier 2 and 3 free agents. They have young talent in place that needs to develop properly starting immediately.

The Cavs need to build a winning culture, and if that leads to actual wins, that's fine. Their talent level is going to prevent them from winning anything more than 40 games in a best case scenario, and if Hill/Love/Korver all end up being dealt, that number drops by at least 10 games.

We saw in this past draft that teams in the top 5 will trade down if a team finds a guy they're willing to gamble on moving up for. I think the Cavs could easily do that next year if their guy is someone to really put them over the hump. I'd rather they get the most out of Sexton/Cedi/Zizic possible than bottom out and let those guys develop awful habits like Kyrie and Waiters did. Cedi and Zizic are especially important in that case because you don't want to undo the development they've already gotten overseas in their careers.
 
Lottery odds flatten out a lot next year compared to the past 28 years.

Big changes:
  • 4 teams can win the lottery now instead of three. That means teams can drop up to 4 spots in the lottery instead of just 3.
  • The lottery odds for the 3 worst teams are now all the same. No race to be the worst of the worst.
  • The odds of winning a top 4 pick at the 7th seed is 32%, which is the same ball park as the worst 3 (52% chance at a top 4 pick)
  • The odds of winning a top 4 pick don't significantly drop off until the 11th seed.
Pretty much no need to tank any worse than what's going to happen naturally.

Boston potential has two lottery picks in next year's draft in addition to their own pick. (Kings top 1 protected, Grizzlies top 8 protected )

Cavs need to get one of those picks.
 
Lottery odds flatten out a lot next year compared to the past 28 years.

Big changes:
  • 4 teams can win the lottery now instead of three. That means teams can drop up to 4 spots in the lottery instead of just 3.
  • The lottery odds for the 3 worst teams are now all the same. No race to be the worst of the worst.
  • The odds of winning a top 4 pick at the 7th seed is 32%, which is the same ball park as the worst 3 (52% chance at a top 4 pick)
  • The odds of winning a top 4 pick don't significantly drop off until the 11th seed.
Pretty much no need to tank any worse than what's going to happen naturally.

Boston potential has two lottery picks in next year's draft in addition to their own pick. (Kings top 1 protected, Grizzlies top 8 protected )

Cavs need to get one of those picks.

Next year's draft is being projected as a weak one. It will be interesting to see how teams approach that with the new odds and the added lottery spot. The likelyhood of getting jumped in the lottery will be higher than ever. I still believe there will be a fight to the worse records.

If the draft projects to have a drop off in talent after the top 5. I bet teams will fight to get the worse record to insure they get a top 5 pick.
 
With gsw dynasty, more teams will be inclined to tank. Nobody will be able to challenge gsw this year, so what's the point? It will be difficult for the cavs to acquire picks for next year's draft but expiring contracts will be valuable. I really hope the cavs get their 2019 draft pick back.
I shared this opinion two weeks ago. Since then a surprising number of teams have made a serious effort to improve. Teams like Portland, Washington, the Knicks and a couple of others are going no where near the top but have made moves to improve.
 

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