The 2020 Cleveland Indians

[Gson]

Is the impression that the PTBNL is a non-60 man roster type/cannot be traded at this time (likely), or more of a contingency based on Mateo playing time/production?

While we can't know for sure.. I believe the Padres may have been given a list of names of non-60 man guys to review/interview/other. Once they complete their vetting process, whatever that may be.. then they get their guy. IDK about performance.

I guess we'll see..

 

[LL3]

While we can't know for sure.. I believe the Padres may have been given a list of names of non-60 man guys to review/interview/other. Once they complete their vetting process, whatever that may be.. then they get their guy. IDK about performance.

I guess we'll see..

Mateo is out of options, right? So they must be assuming he makes the initial 30/has a role.

 

[bushwick_bill]

I don't know how any professional sports will be played this year. I hope I am wrong.

 

[jup]

Is that 85% finishing an adjustment for you Jup?
I'm still more in the mindset that they will almost certainly start, but more like 50% as to finishing (down from 65-70 last week) .
No fans in the stands.
Sky falling? Not a factor.

Somewhat.

With out giving a lot of thought a few weeks ago it would have been more like - they will finish the season and playoffs. But when contemplating odds ....

The one thing that gave me pause when I sat and thought about it awhile, was the managers and coaches. Lets say one of the older managers or well known coaches catches it and ends up in an ICU bed, ventilator or not, that would be pretty hard for the league to play through.

The players have caught it, more will likely get infected, but they will be asymptomatic for the most part or with mild symptoms. They will quarantine, recover and return. So the players don't give me pause. But from a PR standpoint, those managers and coaches like Francona, Dusty, etc., that are household names, seriously ill in an ICU bed, because the league is playing, has to be a nightmare outcome that the "negative press shy" MLB would find it hard to weather, all the not so friendly headlines that they would be certain to see.

So you could say the 15%, is the chance I would put on "the wrong" (from a PR standpoint) person contracting the virus and having a life threatening case of it.

And this isn't any kind of moral statement about who it is or isn't OK to catch the disease. Or whether PR is the right thing for the league to pay attention to. It is a pragmatic rating of the biggest factor that I see the virus creating that would heavily influence the DNA that seems to make up MLB execs.

 

[LL3]

Somewhat.

With out giving a lot of thought a few weeks ago it would have been more like - they will finish the season and playoffs. But when contemplating odds ....

The one thing that gave me pause when I sat and thought about it awhile, was the managers and coaches. Lets say one of the older managers or well known coaches catches it and ends up in an ICU bed, ventilator or not, that would be pretty hard for the league to play through.

The players have caught it, more will likely get infected, but they will be asymptomatic for the most part or with mild symptoms. They will quarantine, recover and return. So the players don't give me pause. But from a PR standpoint, those managers and coaches like Francona, Dusty, etc., that are household names, seriously ill in an ICU bed, because the league is playing, has to be a nightmare outcome that the "negative press shy" MLB would find it hard to weather, all the not so friendly headlines that they would be certain to see.

So you could say the 15%, is the chance I would put on "the wrong" (from a PR standpoint) person contracting the virus and having a life threatening case of it.

And this isn't any kind of moral statement about who it is or isn't OK to catch the disease. Or whether PR is the right thing for the league to pay attention to. It is a pragmatic rating of the biggest factor that I see the virus creating that would heavily influence the DNA that seems to make up MLB execs.

Thanks for the response. I can see there being a negative response to hospitalization of Managers or coaches, but I also believe a decision will be mostly contingent on positive rates of infection for both players and in the communities in which they play. That is, I cannot see baseball being viable in places like Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, LA, etc. if these spikes continue to grow...or the same if/as new ones emerge in other baseball playing metro areas....illness being at the hypothetical gates of baseball. At some point it will seem both tone deaf, and too risky. I say risky from the stand point of the managers, coaches, and other staff, but also in regard to the unknowns of long term damage that may occur to those who are affected "lightly" or even seemingly asymptomatic. So much we do not know, but if spikes persist or increase, it is hard for me to imagine this being a worthwhile effort for nearly all involved.
I'd love to see baseball, but like many things in this moment, it really worries me.

 

[jup]

Thanks for the response. I can see there being a negative response to hospitalization of Managers or coaches, but I also believe a decision will be mostly contingent on positive rates of infection for both players and in the communities in which they play. That is, I cannot see baseball being viable in places like Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, LA, etc. if these spikes continue to grow...or the same if/as new ones emerge in other baseball playing metro areas....illness being at the hypothetical gates of baseball. At some point it will seem both tone deaf, and too risky. I say risky from the stand point of the managers, coaches, and other staff, but also in regard to the unknowns of long term damage that may occur to those who are affected "lightly" or even seemingly asymptomatic. So much we do not know, but if spikes persist or increase, it is hard for me to imagine this being a worthwhile effort for nearly all involved.
I'd love to see baseball, but like many things in this moment, it really worries me.

We all live with risk, and all the "possible" long term factors is to much "the sky is falling" for me.

The outbreaks in the sunbelt all seem to similar and the timing of their onset is such that it makes them seem related. Have to believe that the heat driving people into confined spaces with recirculated air has a role to play. Baseball for the most part is outdoor.

I would rate the ability of the sunbelt states to deal with the current outbreaks high. So I would rate the locals that the teams play in causing a league wide shut down fairly low. AZ is at highest risk it would seem, and one hot spot doesn't stop 29 other teams I don't think. And Manfred has the power to simply move that teams home games to a neutral site.

 

[CATS44]

There is no 'certain' that the season wont start, and no 'certain' that it wont be completed. But there is no 'certain' that an Indians pitcher wont hit a home run if forced to bat.

It's all about odds and percentages...and given what we have seen over the last six months, the odds of completing the season are not good.

Apply what we have been told, and then what we have seen, and apply it to baseball.

We have been told with some amount of certainty that this virus only seriously affected seniors. We have been assured that hot weather would kill it, or at least slow it down. We have been told that it wasnt much more than the flu. We have been told that it was pretty much under control and that everything could safely open up.

So far, those that downplayed the pandemic are batting well below the Mendoza line. Nobody has been able to skate around this virus.

What makes anybody think that baseball can?

I'm no medical expert, but if the over/under for the season is 59.5, I'm putting my money on under, just as I would bet every time against a Tribe pitcher hitting a ball over the 19 foot wall.

I love baseball, and I hope I'm wrong, but rooting for Cookie to hit a homer is not the same as betting on him to do so.

 

[LL3]

We all live with risk, and all the "possible" long term factors is to much "the sky is falling" for me.

The outbreaks in the sunbelt all seem to similar and the timing of their onset is such that it makes them seem related. Have to believe that the heat driving people into confined spaces with recirculated air has a role to play. Baseball for the most part is outdoor.

I would rate the ability of the sunbelt states to deal with the current outbreaks high. So I would rate the locals that the teams play in causing a league wide shut down fairly low. AZ is at highest risk it would seem, and one hot spot doesn't stop 29 other teams I don't think. And Manfred has the power to simply move that teams home games to a neutral site.

I guess I rate as your Chicken Little -- so it goes, no worries there. Baseball is indeed an outdoor game, but players, managers, staff, etc. will spend a good bit of time in the AC, too.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

There is no 'certain' that the season wont start, and no 'certain' that it wont be completed. But there is no 'certain' that an Indians pitcher wont hit a home run if forced to bat.

It's all about odds and percentages...and given what we have seen over the last six months, the odds of completing the season are not good.

Apply what we have been told, and then what we have seen, and apply it to baseball.

We have been told with some amount of certainty that this virus only seriously affected seniors. We have been assured that hot weather would kill it, or at least slow it down. We have been told that it wasnt much more than the flu. We have been told that it was pretty much under control and that everything could safely open up.

So far, those that downplayed the pandemic are batting well below the Mendoza line. Nobody has been able to skate around this virus.

What makes anybody think that baseball can?

I'm no medical expert, but if the over/under for the season is 59.5, I'm putting my money on under, just as I would bet every time against a Tribe pitcher hitting a ball over the 19 foot wall.

I love baseball, and I hope I'm wrong, but rooting for Cookie to hit a homer is not the same as betting on him to do so.

Not cool taking that kind of shot at those who have a different opinion on the virus, especially since I gave a formal warning to @Lord Mar for using the identical phrase on the opposite side of the argument.

 

[LL3]

I love baseball, and I hope I'm wrong, but rooting for Cookie to hit a homer is not the same as betting on him to do so.

Unlikely as it was to me, you inspired me look to see if CC had somehow notched a previous HR....of course not, but he did manage an RBI in his illustrious batting career.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Somewhat.

With out giving a lot of thought a few weeks ago it would have been more like - they will finish the season and playoffs. But when contemplating odds ....

The one thing that gave me pause when I sat and thought about it awhile, was the managers and coaches. Lets say one of the older managers or well known coaches catches it and ends up in an ICU bed, ventilator or not, that would be pretty hard for the league to play through.

The players have caught it, more will likely get infected, but they will be asymptomatic for the most part or with mild symptoms. They will quarantine, recover and return. So the players don't give me pause. But from a PR standpoint, those managers and coaches like Francona, Dusty, etc., that are household names, seriously ill in an ICU bed, because the league is playing, has to be a nightmare outcome that the "negative press shy" MLB would find it hard to weather, all the not so friendly headlines that they would be certain to see.

So you could say the 15%, is the chance I would put on "the wrong" (from a PR standpoint) person contracting the virus and having a life threatening case of it.

And this isn't any kind of moral statement about who it is or isn't OK to catch the disease. Or whether PR is the right thing for the league to pay attention to. It is a pragmatic rating of the biggest factor that I see the virus creating that would heavily influence the DNA that seems to make up MLB execs.

The biggest issue is "but they will be asymptomatic for the most part or with mild symptoms". Maybe/maybe not. Yes people between 20-30 seem to mostly be the type to have mild symptoms but the issue is that you are still going to have a lot of people that are going to have severe symptoms, and it doesnt take very many of them for the league to re-evaluate.

Also as @LL3 touched on, the areas where teams are based out of is going to have an impact. For instance right now you see pretty much the entire state of texas in a mass out break. You are completely discounting public pressure just to say "this country has too much going on right now" to be worried about baseball

 

[LL3]

This was interesting.... https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/toronto-edmonton-expected-announced-nhl-hub-cities/

...the plan was to include a US city, but that appears to no longer be the case. Not sure if that will spell trouble for Canada signing off on the Blue Jays playing home games vs. US based teams. Buffalo may be back in the mix.

 

[jup]

This was interesting.... https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/toronto-edmonton-expected-announced-nhl-hub-cities/

...the plan was to include a US city, but that appears to no longer be the case. Not sure if that will spell trouble for Canada signing off on the Blue Jays playing home games vs. US based teams. Buffalo may be back in the mix.

Thought I saw something on this in the last few days

Blue Jays get clearance to return to Canada for training camp, hope to play home games at Rogers Centre

MLB's 2020 regular season is set to start July 23

www.cbssports.com

 

[jup]

The biggest issue is "but they will be asymptomatic for the most part or with mild symptoms". Maybe/maybe not. Yes people between 20-30 seem to mostly be the type to have mild symptoms but the issue is that you are still going to have a lot of people that are going to have severe symptoms, and it doesnt take very many of them for the league to re-evaluate.

Also as @LL3 touched on, the areas where teams are based out of is going to have an impact. For instance right now you see pretty much the entire state of texas in a mass out break. You are completely discounting public pressure just to say "this country has too much going on right now" to be worried about baseball

Could be right about asymptomatic and mild, but so far the facts on the ground say that is the case.

Reports keep surfacing about players that have (had have) it, and none of them are described as "severely ill". sure that could change, but so far the evidence says they are in that group where mild to none is the symptomology.

 

[jup]

I guess I rate as your Chicken Little -- so it goes, no worries there. Baseball is indeed an outdoor game, but players, managers, staff, etc. will spend a good bit of time in the AC, too.

Nope, I don't rate you.

The reference was to my own personal perspective, clearly I don't know yours, and I would never be so presumptive to say I did.

We all relate to things differently. To me "the sky is falling" is an easy way to describe my way that hopefully others can also relate to. Doesn't have to be yours and you are clearly not "less than" because your way may be different.

And yes there is the time that all baseball players spend indoors. From reading the protocols, something the league is actively trying to limit.