The 2020 Cleveland Indians

[Kevalier]

I think that's the point, though, that the Dodgers have the resources to get this done in theory.

The problem, imo, is that Friedman is too analytical for his own good and looks only at potential WAR and not that Frankie is a generational player; the kind of bird in hand worth 2 in the shrubbery so to speak. You happily trade a couple guys with star potential for a guy who already is a superstar, team leader, master of all trades on a path to the Hall. Maybe Friedman surprises me, looks past the raw #s and realizes what Frankie could do for a roster that talented but i have my doubts. I still see the Yanks having the balls and ammo to make a deal work; the Tribe has shown with the Cliff Lee-Choo-Bauer deals that they love 4 quarters for a dollar trades- say, Gregorius, Urshela, Florial and a couple of pitching prospects. The FO knows they screwed up on not dealing either Bauer or Kluber when their value was highest, i don't think they make the same mistake.

Gregorious is a free agent, and I will be elected Mayor of Cleveland before the Tribe trades Lindor for a package that features Gio Urshela as the most prominent major leaguer.

 

[sportscoach]

Gregorious is a free agent, and I will be elected Mayor of Cleveland before the Tribe trades Lindor for a package that features Gio Urshela as the most prominent major leaguer.

if the Yankees though we’re going to go with a high offer for Lindor it would be this off season since Lindor is a type of player they would like to have and no one will be able to outbid in free agency on Lindor money wise more than likely. With that being said the Indians aren’t willing to move Lindor unless a team gives up way more than it really should. I don’t see Lindor moving anywhere this off season.

I feel if we make a move it will be to add a veteran bullpen arm like we did with Hand or a young guy with control for a few seasons (I said Buttery in my GM move) Hand needed help in the last innings and I don’t trust Wittgren enough and Karinchak has great stuff (but is he all together mentally for the job).

Also we will maybe add in a few reclamation projects as well like we always do especially at 2B, but I don’t see anything major after that. We may also swap two prospects (Aka Bradley and Meija type of thing) for one prospect who doesn’t have to be protected to free up more roster space, but even that I feel is unlikely

 

[Steve_424]

Mickey Callaway's name is being tossed around for Angels pitching coach. I wonder what they'd offer up for Kluber?

 

[Huber.]

Mickey Callaway's name is being tossed around for Angels pitching coach. I wonder what they'd offer up for Kluber?

His value is so low that it makes sense to keep him and hope he bounces back.....Unless it would be a salary dump and they take that money and spend it elsewhere (they wouldn't).

 

[Urban]

His value is so low that it makes sense to keep him and hope he bounces back.....Unless it would be a salary dump and they take that money and spend it elsewhere (they wouldn't).

To add onto this, if they wanted to salary dump him, they would've just declined his 2020 option. Would've only cost the Indians $1m

I would think a trade is more likely to occur at the 2020 deadline (contingent on their place in the playoff hunt and strength of the rest of the rotation) or after the 2020 season than before the 2020 season starts

We'll see though

 

[Steve_424]

His value is so low that it makes sense to keep him and hope he bounces back.....Unless it would be a salary dump and they take that money and spend it elsewhere (they wouldn't).

I get that, but I also think once Cole, Wheeler, and Bumgarner go off the board teams may be willing to give more.

 

[Derek]

I think that's the point, though, that the Dodgers have the resources to get this done in theory.

The problem, imo, is that Friedman is too analytical for his own good and looks only at potential WAR and not that Frankie is a generational player; the kind of bird in hand worth 2 in the shrubbery so to speak. You happily trade a couple guys with star potential for a guy who already is a superstar, team leader, master of all trades on a path to the Hall. Maybe Friedman surprises me, looks past the raw #s and realizes what Frankie could do for a roster that talented but i have my doubts. I still see the Yanks having the balls and ammo to make a deal work; the Tribe has shown with the Cliff Lee-Choo-Bauer deals that they love 4 quarters for a dollar trades- say, Gregorius, Urshela, Florial and a couple of pitching prospects. The FO knows they screwed up on not dealing either Bauer or Kluber when their value was highest, i don't think they make the same mistake.

Saying "they love 4 quarters for a dollar trades" is a gross misrepresentation of the trades they have made in the past. I also wouldn't say they screwed up by waiting to trade Bauer. If anything, waiting paid off.

That proposed Yankees trade isn't even close to Lindor's value.

 

[BMAN]

I’m failing to understand how they screwed up trading Bauer when they did. Thought that was a great trade for us.

 

[macbdog]

I’m failing to understand how they screwed up trading Bauer when they did. Thought that was a great trade for us.

Heading into 2019, he was one of the top pitchers in the AL, a Cy Young candidate with 2 years of control left. You really think the return they got- a 2 month rental, a young DH, and couple ok pitching prospects was a better return than what they could have gotten in the offseason? Or commensurate with the value of an 'ace'? I don't. Wood looks like a guy who may outplay his projections, but Allen had a pretty awful year. If he bounces back and becomes a bigleague starter, then I guess it makes it an ok deal... but when you are a team in a contention window, trading a top starter for a one-tool hitter and a guy or two who may or may not impact your starting rotation a couple years down the road is not the trade that best valued Trevor Bauer.

 

[Derek]

Heading into 2019, he was one of the top pitchers in the AL, a Cy Young candidate with 2 years of control left. You really think the return they got- a 2 month rental, a young DH, and couple ok pitching prospects was a better return than what they could have gotten in the offseason? Or commensurate with the value of an 'ace'? I don't. Wood looks like a guy who may outplay his projections, but Allen had a pretty awful year. If he bounces back and becomes a bigleague starter, then I guess it makes it an ok deal... but when you are a team in a contention window, trading a top starter for a one-tool hitter and a guy or two who may or may not impact your starting rotation a couple years down the road is not the trade that best valued Trevor Bauer.

By all accounts, the deal that was made was better than anything that was offered over the summer.

They spent half the year trying to get the Padres to give up Reyes and Allen.

 

[sportscoach]

Saying "they love 4 quarters for a dollar trades" is a gross misrepresentation of the trades they have made in the past. I also wouldn't say they screwed up by waiting to trade Bauer. If anything, waiting paid off.

That proposed Yankees trade isn't even close to Lindor's value.

I was looking at who the Yankees would have to give up for Lindor and I don’t think they would even be willing to do it. I mean sure on paper in the long run if they were willing to meet who we wanted we would be better off. What deal would you take for Lindor in your mind?

Heading into 2019, he was one of the top pitchers in the AL, a Cy Young candidate with 2 years of control left. You really think the return they got- a 2 month rental, a young DH, and couple ok pitching prospects was a better return than what they could have gotten in the offseason? Or commensurate with the value of an 'ace'? I don't. Wood looks like a guy who may outplay his projections, but Allen had a pretty awful year. If he bounces back and becomes a bigleague starter, then I guess it makes it an ok deal... but when you are a team in a contention window, trading a top starter for a one-tool hitter and a guy or two who may or may not impact your starting rotation a couple years down the road is not the trade that best valued Trevor Bauer.

We got Puig as a rental, which we needed and Also got Allen, who didn’t have a great season, but is considered a top pitching left handed prospect, with Reyes, who at worst is an Edwin Encarnacion (with less walks) type of guy plus we got Moss, who at worst will be a serviceable bullpen lefty. We got win now guys and future guys,not sure what else this FO is supposed to do

if we had a better offer in the off season we would have taken it then and not during the season. I think in the end we got who we needed to go get and this FO has done a wonderful job building this roster to stay in contention as long as they have. We have a ton of depth in starting pitching but we lacked in hitting so getting Reyes is what we needed to do and bringing back right now what 22 guys of the 25 guys who were supposed to be the main stays of a 93 win team is putting us ahead of the twins who are still lacking starting pitching.

 

[MadThinker88]

I’m failing to understand how they screwed up trading Bauer when they did. Thought that was a great trade for us.

With the way Bauer was performing (& acting) in 2019, I agree. His value was not as high as it was during the offseason.

That said, I can't fault the Tribe for not moving him sooner. If the offers were not good enough during the offseason, the Tribe made the right call to wait for the July 2019 deadline. They realized that the value would drop even more once the deadline passed so they took the best package (for now & for down the road) that they could.

 

[MadThinker88]

Interesting development.. The Twins are losing a coach (maybe more as old friend Derek Shelton is in the running for a couple of the open managerial gigs)..

Marlins To Hire James Rowson To Coaching Staff

The Marlins are hiring James Rowson as their new bench coach and offensive coordinator, according to a tweet from ESPN's …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

[NorthCoastBias]

Wow. Carrasco won the Roberto Clemente Award. Well deserved and incredible honor for him.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Wow. Carrasco won the Roberto Clemente Award. Well deserved and incredible honor for him.

If he hadn't won I was going to have serious questions for how the winner was determined