The 2020 Cleveland Indians

[Derek]

Is their any outside bullpen arms available you guys think? I mean in the 2020 GM thread I made a deal for a young guy, but outside of that I am not sure if the market and budget support trying to get anyone this season, but I would like to get a veteran that can setup Hand in my mind/be his back up closer

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There are actually quite a few viable relievers on the market this year.

However, I doubt the Indians will invest much in that department given their internal options.

 

[sportscoach]

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There are actually quite a few viable relievers on the market this year.

However, I doubt the Indians will invest much in that department given their internal options.

Any names you would like to see us to at least think about bringing in at least for due diligence?

 

[macbdog]

Chris Martin would be my top "somewhat under the radar" target. 65 strikeouts to 5 walks last year (10.5 K/9). Bit HR prone, but who isn't? Would certainly welcome back Tyler Clippard as well.

Think the bullpen is in decent shape with Karinchak (hopefully) starting the season on the ML roster. Kyle Nelson could be another internal option. Think finding that "#2" supporting role can wait till the deadline.

Karinchek gives me John Rocker vibes- from his mound demeanor to a hard but straight fastball. Just seemed like there were reasons other than talent that had the Tribe keeping him off the team until September, esp when we know that they have no issue pushing and challenging young relievers (see Cody Allen).

The team always finds a decent dumpster dive or 2 for the pen, if the market ends up depressed again they might be in play for a nice bargain guy even.

 

[Juice is Loose]

Rosenthal mentioned Lindor in one of his articles on the Athletic. Anyone willing to share what he said?

 

[Urban]

Rosenthal mentioned Lindor in one of his articles on the Athletic. Anyone willing to share what he said?

Nothing that hasn't been repeated over and over again.


The Indians likely will trade shortstop Francisco Lindor at some point. It just might not happen this offseason.

The team’s lack of confidence in signing Lindor long-term became obvious last March when owner Paul Dolan told The Athletic’s Zack Meisel that he would advise fans to “enjoy” the All-Star shortstop during the time he remained under club control — three seasons then, two now.

Like the Rays, the Indians routinely gauge interest in all of their players, building a database of information that informs their models on how to proceed in trade discussions. Perhaps they could land the type of hybrid return for Lindor that they received for right-hander Trevor Bauer last July, five players to help short- and long-term. But if such a deal is not available, the front office could reassess its position at the deadline and revisit talks then, following the same blueprint it did with Bauer.

The complicating aspect is that the Indians almost certainly would contend in the weak AL Central with Lindor, and perhaps even without him. With right-hander Corey Kluber and first baseman Carlos Santana on expiring contracts, the Indians might view 2020 as something of a last hurrah. But if they kept Lindor all season, they would be in the same position next offseason that the Red Sox are in with Betts — a position that would cost them leverage they cannot afford to lose.

 

[Derek]

Karinchek gives me John Rocker vibes- from his mound demeanor to a hard but straight fastball. Just seemed like there were reasons other than talent that had the Tribe keeping him off the team until September, esp when we know that they have no issue pushing and challenging young relievers (see Cody Allen).

The team always finds a decent dumpster dive or 2 for the pen, if the market ends up depressed again they might be in play for a nice bargain guy even.

Karinchak might not have great movement on his FB or his curve, but his release point for both is nearly identical which is what makes him so electric

 

[sportscoach]

Karinchak might not have great movement on his FB or his curve, but his release point for both is nearly identical which is what makes him so electric

we all saw a super animated guy so I am wondering how that would effect his ability on the mound plus his rapport with the catching staff?

usually his stuff translates into a solid bullpen arm but those intangible factors are what I am curious about going forward

I know someone mentioned something about Karinchak being added so late in September but Francona said that he wanted to keep some guys down because Columbus was in the AAA playoffs so he didn’t want to strip them all the way down. I think Karinchak would have been up earlier when Sept started if Columbus was out of the playoffs.

 

[Beanie4Heisman]

His fastball may be pinpoint straight but his curveball has serious movement and drop.

It's a pitch that already makes talented batters appear foolish.

He will need to temper his attitude long term to have sustained success. Seems as though he can be a touch too reactive to a good pitch that gets hit hard. But this will come with time as he is so young yet.

 

[Derek]

His fastball may be pinpoint straight but his curveball has serious movement and drop.

It's a pitch that already makes talented batters appear foolish.

He will need to temper his attitude long term to have sustained success. Seems as though he can be a touch too reactive to a good pitch that gets hit hard. But this will come with time as he is so young yet.

Pitcher Visualization Report

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This is a pretty cool tool that I just recently discovered.

"This is the movement of his 4-Seam Fastball. On average the ball moves 6 inches towards a right-handed batter and drops 10 inches. League average horizontal movement is 7 inches and 16 inches drop."

"This is the movement of his Curveball. On average the ball moves 2 inches away from a right-handed batter and drops 54 inches. League average horizontal movement is 10 inches and 54 inches drop."

Neither of his pitches has extraordinary movement, but the lack of sink on his fastball may make it appear as though it's a riser.

 

[Kevalier]

Pitcher Visualization Report

Baseball Savant

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This is a pretty cool tool that I just recently discovered.

"This is the movement of his 4-Seam Fastball. On average the ball moves 6 inches towards a right-handed batter and drops 10 inches. League average horizontal movement is 7 inches and 16 inches drop."

"This is the movement of his Curveball. On average the ball moves 2 inches away from a right-handed batter and drops 54 inches. League average horizontal movement is 10 inches and 54 inches drop."

Neither of his pitches has extraordinary movement, but the lack of sink on his fastball may make it appear as though it's a riser.

Holy shit, that’s quite the discovery. Baseball Savant is now the PornHub for the SABR community.

 

[Derek]

Holy shit, that’s quite the discovery. Baseball Savant is now the PornHub for the SABR community.

Trevor Bauer’s was fun to look at.

His curve/cutter/slider have ridiculous movement

 

[sportscoach]

Holy shit, that’s quite the discovery. Baseball Savant is now the PornHub for the SABR community.

They can be slow updating it during the season just a forewarning (at least they were last season)

 

[SanduskyCav]

Roberto Perez named Wilson MLB Defensive Player of the Year.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Roberto Perez named Wilson MLB Defensive Plater of the Year.

Noun. plater (plural platers) Someone who plates metal. Someone who installs sheet metal and armour plating, particularly on trains, ships, tanks, and similar items

I have questions

 

[BimboColesHair]

Karinchek gives me John Rocker vibes- from his mound demeanor to a hard but straight fastball. Just seemed like there were reasons other than talent that had the Tribe keeping him off the team until September, esp when we know that they have no issue pushing and challenging young relievers (see Cody Allen).

The team always finds a decent dumpster dive or 2 for the pen, if the market ends up depressed again they might be in play for a nice bargain guy even.

Yeah...he was hurt...