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Carlos Santana will carry the Tribe to a World Series title. Just got a hunch.
The one guy who came from nowhere to WS MVP that I remember was Gene Tenace, A' s catcher during
the 1972 WS.

He played only 82 regular season games, 258 PAs, BA .225 with 5 HRs and a SLG% of .339.

In the WS of '72, in 7 games, he had 25 PAs, with 8 hits, a double, 4 HRs and a SLG% of .913, OPS of 1.313.

Bring on the white shoes!
 
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The one guy who came from nowhere to WS MVP that I remember was Gene Tenace, A' s catcher during
the 1972 WS.

He played only 82 regular season games, 258 PAs, BA .225 with 5 HRs and a SLG% of .339.

In the WS of '72, in 7 games, he had 25 PAs, with 8 hits, a double, 4 HRs and a SLG% of .913, OPS of 1.313.

Bring on the white shoes!
is he available?

btw, over his career tenace was a better hitter than santana
 
Gene Tenace at the plate aaaaaand whammy
 
Tenace had a miserable post season until that Series.

And while it is true that one player can come out of nowhere to help win a key game or two in a series, we will need our core guys to carry thru the entire post season, if we are gonna make an extended run.

A key hit here and there is great if we are in 2-1 or 3-2 games, but its doubtful that we can do that game in and game out thru several series against top competition.

The Pirates did it to the Yankees in 1960, but that was when there was only one round of playoffs.

There are several things we need to do in order to make a run.

1) The starting rotation must dominate. We should have advantage their, and that advantage should increase if we get to BOR starters.

2) The pen has to dominate, too. Usually, in a post-season with so many off days, Hand-Wittgren-Karinchak-Perez would be more than enough. But we will need more this time. Fortunately the depth of our rotation will allow us to use TMac, Quantrill, and even Civale...which are assets that most other teams don't have.

3) The defense needs to get its collective head out of its backside. We can't force our biggest advantage...the rotation..to make extra pitches that cost innings.

4) Ditto the base running. Blunders on the bases not only cost runs, they save wear and tear on opposing pitchers.

5) We don't have to be Murderers Row, but we need more consistent at bats from our five core batters, and a few timely hits from the supporting cast. And we need two batters who are hotter than a firecracker.

It will be interesting to watch how our youngsters handle the post season, although the lack of fans may help them. We have a lot of them, some in key positions.

Virtually the entire rotation, Karinchak, Quantrill, Maton, and Hill. Reyes, Luplow, Mercado, Chang, and Naylor.

Big production from the core vets would relieve the pressure on the kids. Its easier to be a complementary piece than the go to guy.
 
Meisel


A mighty José Ramírez swing, an Indians playoff berth and a new MVP front-runner

By Zack Meisel Sep 22, 2020 21
CLEVELAND — José Ramírez took three, deliberate steps toward first base as he watched the bruised baseball soar toward Flo’s abdomen on the Progressive banner that covers the right-field seats.
When it sailed over the outfield fence, Ramírez turned toward the dugout, raised his arms and then commenced his trot. He slapped his chest twice near second base and pointed to the sky. When he spotted his teammates spilling out of the dugout, rushing to meet him at home plate, he raised his arms again, slapped hands with his third-base coach and removed his helmet — of his own volition, for once.
As he prepared to enter the splash zone, he couldn’t help but flash a wide smile. The diminutive third baseman — long ago a lowly regarded prospect deemed too small and unspectacular to merit anyone’s attention, once a frequent trekker along I-71, shifting between Cleveland and Columbus as he struggled to find his big-league footing — punctuated this bizarre season like few others could.
With one mighty hack, Ramírez placed the Indians in the playoff field and, perhaps, placed his name at the forefront of the AL MVP conversation.
And then, there was a melée. They smacked his head and his backside. They offered him high fives. Carlos Carrasco lifted him in the air like a giddy parent welcoming home a child who spent weeks at sleepaway camp.
When the players filtered back down the tunnel to retrieve their red postseason T-shirts and hats and their celebratory cigars, they left behind a graveyard of orange Gatorade coolers and empty water bottles in the batter’s box.
“This is what we play for,” Francisco Lindor said.
There were no corks popping, no Ramírez lounging at his locker, cigar in mouth and feet resting on a leather chair. Trevor Bauer wasn’t zipping around the clubhouse with a GoPro camera strapped to his forehead to capture the chaos. There was no plastic wrapping to protect the contents of each locker, no on-field family photos.
“A lot less champagne,” Ramírez said, “but it’s still a good celebration.”
That’s one opinion.
“It sucks,” Lindor said, stressing that every other sport envies MLB’s bubbly bashes.
There was a toast. A few players offered brief speeches. They posed for a team photo. They joked that the festivities were all to honor James Karinchak’s birthday. There were beers and cigars.
And there were plenty of new faces experiencing this kind of achievement — even with the expanded playoff field and the truncated regular-season schedule — for the first time. Two years have passed since the Indians clinched a postseason berth, but 19 of the 28 players on the active roster weren’t members of the team in 2018. There are young players, San Diego transplants and even César Hernández, who never qualified for the playoffs in his seven years with the Phillies.
“You know that they’re going to have that thought in them every single time that they’re in the middle of the season,” Adam Plutko said. “Now they’re going to want this and (know) how good this feels. … I told a couple of the rookies, ‘Man, I wish I could douse champagne all over you right now, but beer will do for now.’”


They earned the party in grand fashion. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Ramírez became the ninth player in the sport’s history to sock a walk-off homer on the same day his team secured a playoff spot.
The 10th-inning blast was his sixth homer in his last six games. There aren’t enough superlatives to properly frame his recent scorching stretch. He sits atop FanGraphs’ WAR leaderboard (3.2). He is tied for third in the majors in homers, and he has hit most of them in the last three weeks.
Over his last 23 games, Ramírez has totaled 12 home runs and 26 RBIs. Over his last 11 games, it’s eight homers, 18 RBIs and a 1.067 slugging percentage.
The September surge has shoved him into a crowded AL MVP discussion along with Cleveland’s ace, Shane Bieber, a couple of White Sox hitters, Tim Anderson and José Abreu, New York’s DJ LeMahieu and the Angels’ Mike Trout and Anthony Rendon. Lindor has a suggestion.
“He’s an MVP,” Lindor said. “He’s gonna win MVP one year. He’s gonna win MVP for sure. He’s definitely going to get some votes this year. Hopefully, get some more numbers and get the MVP. So, you voters, co-MVPs: (Shane) Bieber and Ramírez.”
As Ramírez reviewed his magical moment at a postgame interview podium, he clutched the baseball he had sent into orbit. He said he knew the instant he made contact that he had sent the pitch into the seats, sent the home dugout into a frenzy and sent the Indians to the postseason.
“He’s incredible,” Plutko said. “Look, the big first baseman for (the White Sox, Abreu) is a really good AL MVP candidate, but I like our third baseman a little bit better for exactly what you saw tonight. He’s going to bring it every single day. He never asks for a day off. He looks for the spotlight.”
 
Why the new playoff format could benefit the pitching-heavy Indians

By Zack Meisel Sep 22, 2020 16
CLEVELAND — A wise Cy Young Award front-runner once said, with regard to the MLB postseason: “A lot of good teams make it, but a lot of hot teams win it.”
That was Shane Bieber’s rallying cry last week after the Indians laid to rest a playoff seed-spoiling eight-game skid. Anarchy could reign supreme this October, with an expanded postseason field, an extra best-of-three round (the ultimate coin flip) and a lack of in-series off days.
That last wrinkle raised the antennae of every coach and front office member in the Indians organization. The league revealed the postseason schedule last week, and it received some nips and tucks that will force teams to either flex their creative muscles or cross their fingers and pray to the heavens that their seldom-used No. 5 starter can deliver a sufficient outing.
The Indians brass had been apprised of different scenarios under consideration but didn’t receive word of the final formatting decision until the night before the league’s official announcement last Tuesday.
There will be no off days between games during the wild-card series, the Division Series or the Championship Series. Only the World Series will maintain its customary cadence.
Now, the Indians have some longstanding hitting woes to vanquish and some bad base-running habits to rectify. And the American League bracket will be stocked with viable title contenders. Sparring with the Yankees or White Sox lineup is no simple task. But the Indians are confident their pitching depth could benefit them under these unusual circumstances.
“That’s what we’re planning on,” acting manager Sandy Alomar Jr. said. “Things can change when you have a good pitching staff. In 1995, when we faced the Atlanta Braves, they had a tremendous pitching staff, and we were the best offensive team in baseball, and they stopped us. Not a guarantee — you have to score some runs, too. But it’s always good to have a great pitching staff on your side when you go to the postseason.”
Teams usually shrink their rotations to three or four starters in October. They limit their bullpen usage to their top few relievers, barring a blowout.
In 2016, four Cleveland pitchers — Corey Kluber, Andrew Miller, Bryan Shaw and Cody Allen — accounted for 58 percent of the club’s postseason innings. Shaw appeared in 11 of 15 games. Miller and Allen appeared in 10 each. That sort of approach won’t be so feasible without travel days to recharge the batteries.
The Four Horsemen:
2016 ALDS: 16 1/3 of 27 innings
2016 ALCS: 27 of 44 innings
2016 World Series: 34 1/3 of 63 innings

So, pitching depth is critical. And that’s Cleveland’s calling card.
The Indians pushed back Shane Bieber’s expected outing to Wednesday to place him in line to start Game 1 of the wild-card series on Sept. 29. Zach Plesac and Carlos Carrasco could follow Bieber in the playoff rotation.
“The first round, the wild-card round, three games in a row,” pitching coach Carl Willis said, “I think we have very good starters, obviously, to choose from to pitch in those three games, and probably a couple of them (would) be able to help us in the bullpen. So I do think, in that regard, it is a bit of an advantage for us because of the depth and the quality of the depth.”
Should the Indians advance, they could add Aaron Civale to the mix and then, for a decisive Game 5, tab Bieber on short rest or turn to rookie Triston McKenzie.
The Athletic’s Eno Sarris recently dove into some data to determine which teams might benefit most from the new playoff structure. He found that the Indians and Cardinals boast more above-average starting pitchers than any other team. (Now imagine Cleveland’s potential playoff rotation with Mike Clevinger still in the fold. Teams were not privy to information about the playoff format prior to the trade deadline. Otherwise, perhaps certain clubs would have made more of an effort to add pitching depth.)
Deep bullpens will help, too. If a team short on dependable starting pitching opts to resort to a bullpen day to navigate through a playoff game, that could further complicate its situation.
“We could look at it, in our case, as a competitive advantage,” Indians president Chris Antonetti said, “potentially, if we get to the second round and we feel like we have a very deep group of starting pitchers and are confident with any one of our guys starting a postseason game. If that means another team has to do the same thing, either that or plan for a bullpen day, it gets much more difficult to do a bullpen day in the postseason and still have those guys available for the other games.”
The AL playoff pitching picture
TEAM
STARTER ERA
BULLPEN ERA
OVERALL ERA
Indians3.033.713.26
Twins3.483.553.51
White Sox3.583.653.61
Rays3.843.403.61
Yankees4.174.494.30
Astros4.264.364.30
Athletics4.472.423.64
Blue Jays4.784.604.68
There’s more to a playoff series than starting pitching, of course. The Indians must supply José Ramírez with some offensive support. They must receive quality contributions from their bullpen. And aside from Carrasco, none of Cleveland’s starters has ever appeared in a postseason game.
Bieber was slated to start Game 4 of the 2018 ALDS before the Astros completed a three-game sweep. For Plesac, Civale and McKenzie, October is uncharted territory. Perhaps the neutral field and the lack of tens of thousands of hollering fans will ease the burden of postseason inexperience.
In seven starts this season, Plesac boasts a 1.85 ERA with four walks and 50 strikeouts in 48 2/3 innings. He has limited opponents to a .215 on-base percentage.
Carlos Carrasco could receive some down-ballot Cy Young tallies, as he owns a 2.90 ERA with 74 strikeouts in 62 innings. He has posted a 1.41 ERA over his last five starts and, most encouraging, his fastball velocity has increased in each of his last three outings. On Sunday in Detroit, the pitch clocked in at an average of 94.9 mph and topped out at 96.5 mph.
The Indians lead the majors in starter ERA and WAR. They lead the AL in starter FIP and strikeout rate. Those rankings reflect more than Bieber’s brilliance, and they represent the hope the organization is clinging to as October approaches.
“It’s going to be a dramatic shift for all 16 teams that do end up making the playoffs,” Adam Plutko said. “In general, when you’re building your postseason roster, you’re thinking about three starting pitchers to really carry you through. And the fourth, if you choose to have four, the fourth is, well we’re backed up by our bullpen. And you even look at, in recent history, so many bullpens starting games and not even choosing starters. With no days off, that just physically cannot happen anymore.”
 
Well cats, I think years of Decision making went into the making of your post
That doesn’t mean you don’t replace him at first base.
 
An interesting story about Tenace and that 72 WS:

Gene Tenace, the 1972 World Series and the crazy guy.


gene
Don’t shoot!
By Gene Tenace
“Well, if you gotta go, Gene, at least it will be on national television.”–Reggie Jackson

In the 1972 World Series (against the Cincinnati Reds) we end up winning Game 2 and I’m still in this extremely relaxed state. The guys are lightly celebrating the victory. I get in the clubhouse and Dick Williams pulls me away from all these writers who are interviewing me. We go into his office and there’s these two guys in dark blue suits.

“What’s going on,” I ask.

“Geno, somebody wants to shoot you,” Dick said, matter-of-factly as he closed the door.

“Shoot me,” I said, with half a laugh, “What did you mean shoot me?”

The men turn out to be FBI agents. One of them goes into this story that a woman on a concession line early in Game 2 at Riverfront Stadium stood behind this man who was saying to no one in particular, “If that guy on Oakland hits another homer, I’m gonna put a bullet in his head as he rounds third base.” A couple of people around him laughed it off, but this one woman went to an usher who grabbed security and a police officer. They found the guy, got him out of the line and sure enough he had a .22 in one pocket (loaded, too) and bottle of bourbon in the other. They kept all this commotion away from me until the game was over. From that point on, I was battery mates with the FBI for the rest of the series. I had to travel with the FBI – I didn’t even get to go with the team anymore. Riding in unmarked, bullet-proof cars, I’m not gonna lie, it was kind of cool. They just followed me all over. Leaving ballparks from exits unknown to the general public. 24-hour surveillance. FBI agents guarding my hotel room door. Treating me like a rock star, but it was too much, I’m just trying to win a world series and some lunatic was out there wanting to pop a cap in me. Yeah sure, they caught the guy, but they still went through precautionary measures. Who knows if he was working with someone else. Sounds crazy, but you never know.

Funny ending to this story. 10 years later, I’m with the Cardinals, going back to the series in ’82 against the Milwaukee Brewers, guess who I get a letter from? “Mr. Tenace, I’m so sorry what I put you through. It was a bad time in my life. In and out of jail, broke. Please forgive me.” How about that? He was apologizing. Fine, I guess, but I couldn’t believe, 10 years later, this guy’s still got me on his mind? Are you kidding me?

We ended winning (game 7) 3-2. I was named the MVP of the series. NBC broadcast the games and their owner, RCA sent me elvis-presley-ca-1950s-everettthis enormous home unit entertainment center as part of my award. When the delivery men carrying this thing got to my house, man, this sucker was so big it took like four guys to carry the thing off the truck. Had to get the neighbors to come over and help me get it in the house. We open it in my den and sure enough it had a nice, big television screen and eight-track tape player in it, too. Got to hear my Elvis and Frank Sinatra music in stereo. Lots of Country & Western also played on that hifi for many years.

That night in the offseason, my wife went to sleep early and I tucked in the kids in bed. Everyone was excited about the new piece of cool furniture. I was excited about finally having some peace and quiet at last.

I cracked open a beer, sat back on my recliner and enjoyed my new hifi, just the three of us. Elvis, The King. Frank, The Chairman. Most importantly, the memory of my 1972 Oakland A’s teammates.

The Champions.
 
Mike Clevinger was removed from Wednesday's start against the Angels with an apparent injury.
Clevinger looked fine in a 1-2-3 first inning but then didn't come out for the second. He had to be scratched from his last start because of biceps tightness, so it's reasonable to assume that's the cause for his early exit. The Padres should have something official on him soon.

Make no mistake about it, Clevinger's injury profile did play a part in that deal.
 
An interesting story about Tenace and that 72 WS:

Gene Tenace, the 1972 World Series and the crazy guy.


gene
Don’t shoot!
By Gene Tenace
“Well, if you gotta go, Gene, at least it will be on national television.”–Reggie Jackson

In the 1972 World Series (against the Cincinnati Reds) we end up winning Game 2 and I’m still in this extremely relaxed state. The guys are lightly celebrating the victory. I get in the clubhouse and Dick Williams pulls me away from all these writers who are interviewing me. We go into his office and there’s these two guys in dark blue suits.

“What’s going on,” I ask.

“Geno, somebody wants to shoot you,” Dick said, matter-of-factly as he closed the door.

“Shoot me,” I said, with half a laugh, “What did you mean shoot me?”

The men turn out to be FBI agents. One of them goes into this story that a woman on a concession line early in Game 2 at Riverfront Stadium stood behind this man who was saying to no one in particular, “If that guy on Oakland hits another homer, I’m gonna put a bullet in his head as he rounds third base.” A couple of people around him laughed it off, but this one woman went to an usher who grabbed security and a police officer. They found the guy, got him out of the line and sure enough he had a .22 in one pocket (loaded, too) and bottle of bourbon in the other. They kept all this commotion away from me until the game was over. From that point on, I was battery mates with the FBI for the rest of the series. I had to travel with the FBI – I didn’t even get to go with the team anymore. Riding in unmarked, bullet-proof cars, I’m not gonna lie, it was kind of cool. They just followed me all over. Leaving ballparks from exits unknown to the general public. 24-hour surveillance. FBI agents guarding my hotel room door. Treating me like a rock star, but it was too much, I’m just trying to win a world series and some lunatic was out there wanting to pop a cap in me. Yeah sure, they caught the guy, but they still went through precautionary measures. Who knows if he was working with someone else. Sounds crazy, but you never know.

Funny ending to this story. 10 years later, I’m with the Cardinals, going back to the series in ’82 against the Milwaukee Brewers, guess who I get a letter from? “Mr. Tenace, I’m so sorry what I put you through. It was a bad time in my life. In and out of jail, broke. Please forgive me.” How about that? He was apologizing. Fine, I guess, but I couldn’t believe, 10 years later, this guy’s still got me on his mind? Are you kidding me?

We ended winning (game 7) 3-2. I was named the MVP of the series. NBC broadcast the games and their owner, RCA sent me elvis-presley-ca-1950s-everettthis enormous home unit entertainment center as part of my award. When the delivery men carrying this thing got to my house, man, this sucker was so big it took like four guys to carry the thing off the truck. Had to get the neighbors to come over and help me get it in the house. We open it in my den and sure enough it had a nice, big television screen and eight-track tape player in it, too. Got to hear my Elvis and Frank Sinatra music in stereo. Lots of Country & Western also played on that hifi for many years.

That night in the offseason, my wife went to sleep early and I tucked in the kids in bed. Everyone was excited about the new piece of cool furniture. I was excited about finally having some peace and quiet at last.

I cracked open a beer, sat back on my recliner and enjoyed my new hifi, just the three of us. Elvis, The King. Frank, The Chairman. Most importantly, the memory of my 1972 Oakland A’s teammates.

The Champions.
i used to work with a cousin of tenace's - he was from portsmouth? lucasville?

btw, wasnt dave duncan still starting more games at C for oakland then?

btw2, teance isnt the worst player to be ws mvp in the last 50 years, is he? pat borders, steve pearce, bucky f'n dent?
 
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Mike Clevinger was removed from Wednesday's start against the Angels with an apparent injury.
Clevinger looked fine in a 1-2-3 first inning but then didn't come out for the second. He had to be scratched from his last start because of biceps tightness, so it's reasonable to assume that's the cause for his early exit. The Padres should have something official on him soon.

Make no mistake about it, Clevinger's injury profile did play a part in that deal.

I kept trying to tell those in the "They could have made the same deal in the winter!!" crowd that Clevinger's health has been fairly fragile throughout his career and he could have very well suffered an injury between now and the end of the season. Clev's value was never going to be higher than it was at the deadline and the Indians front office knew that.
 
Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports that the Padres "fear they have lost" Mike Clevinger (arm) for the postseason.
Clevinger had to exit Wednesday's start versus the Angels after just one inning. While the team has yet to offer any details, Acee hears that the "primary preliminary suspicions" are that the right-hander is dealing with a muscle strain or tendinitis in his pitching arm. An MRI has been scheduled, and obviously more will be known once those results are in. Clevinger had to be scratched from his last scheduled start due to biceps tightness.
 
Our haul looks pretty damn good right now. And include Quantrill's promising outing yesterday.

Kevalier - I learned awhile ago that the front office:

1. Knows all kinds of things we don't
2. Are damn good at their jobs
 

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