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The Andre Drummond Thread

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I gave you a variety of stats you gave me one. Whose trolling whom?

He had 2 good post plays against Tristan Thompson. I am glad you were impressed with that I wasn't.

Im not sure where you get Elite rim protector. when its the only role he has defensively and Quite a few others do it just as often at a better rate.

Here is a ranking of rim protectors .
http://www.nba.com/2015/news/hca/01/19/the-list-top-10-rim-protectors/index.html

Drummond didn't make that list.

this current tracker shows him ranked 30th behind JJ hickson

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

That's far from an elite rim protector.

The only thing Drummond does elite is putbacks and uncontested layups offensively.

The problem with rim protection stats like nylon calculus is doesn't take teammates into account. Detroit plays small ball with such notable defenders as Ilyasova and Morris at the 4 spot. They're best defenders outside of Drummond are Pope and Tolliver whom no one classifies as stoppers ala Shumpert or Lebron. Yet despite this Detroit is a good defensive team (ranked 10th) and Drummond is the key to this. He's got the 8 best defensive RAPM in the league and he jumps to the 4th among those who get 30mpg or more. As long as the FT's allow him to play he's absolutely an elite defensive player
 
The problem with rim protection stats like nylon calculus is doesn't take teammates into account. Detroit plays small ball with such notable defenders as Ilyasova and Morris at the 4 spot. They're best defenders outside of Drummond are Pope and Tolliver whom no one classifies as stoppers ala Shumpert or Lebron. Yet despite this Detroit is a good defensive team (ranked 10th) and Drummond is the key to this. He's got the 8 best defensive RAPM in the league and he jumps to the 4th among those who get 30mpg or more. As long as the FT's allow him to play he's absolutely an elite defensive player
Detroit is 26th in opponent efficiency from the center position
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/opponentstats/16/10/eff/1-1

3rd from the small forward position
7th ranked out of the paint
21st in the paint.

Stanley Johnson and Marcus Morris have been factors in the Pistons defense.

I know its hard to see the work other players are doing on the team when shrouded by the glare of the human highlight reel
 
Detroit is 26th in opponent efficiency from the center position
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/opponentstats/16/10/eff/1-1

3rd from the small forward position
7th ranked out of the paint
21st in the paint.

Stanley Johnson and Marcus Morris have been factors in the Pistons defense.

I know its hard to see the work other players are doing on the team when shrouded by the glare of the human highlight reel

lol Morris is 58th among PF in defensive RAPM and Johnson 59th among SF in defensive RAPM.

Team opponent efficiency doesn't tell you much about individual defense as it's team based no player plays 48 minutes and it doesn't account how teams prioritize defense (the Cavs are 12 among SF's: do you really think Stanley Johnson is 9 places better then Lebron??). Just give it up: I'm more convinced that Drummond is an elite defensive layer if this the best argument you can come up with.
 
All I got from Tornicades diarrhetic posts are that Drummond is only elite at dunks and putbacks and still a scrub that has yet to prove he belongs in the NBA. His talent evaluation is so elite that when I called him out and said to put his money where his mouth is in regards to either Dion or Drummond making the all-star team, he cowardly tucked tail and ran like a coward. He can talk and post all he wants but the truth will be known that he is and will always be, full of crappola.
 
Drummonds defends about 13 shots per game whereas Morris defends 10.5
http://stats.nba.com/league/player/...6&SeasonType=Regular Season&TeamID=1610612765

3 of those 10fga per game are from 3 point range. Which Morris along with the rest of Detroits backcourt all have negative differentials ( negative is good)
http://stats.nba.com/league/player/...ular Season&TeamID=1610612765&sort=FG3A&dir=1

so from, 2 pointers. Morris is Defending 7.2 shots to Drummonds 2.9

so we goto within 6 feet. Where Drummond has a -2 differential which is good at about 6 attempts per game

Now those comparison are to show that not only is Marcus good at the perimeter but so is the back court as team. This pretty much defeats the explanation that Drummonds "elite" defense" is making these guys look better.

On to Drummonds Eliteness.

So -2.2 differential at less than 6 feet. its a negative so its a good number.

lets compare this to other Centers who defend this area 6 + shots a game.

so 12 centers actually see that many attempts a game as a defensive focus.


certainly elite company in how many times they are defending the rim in a game.
However Here Drummond is 11th in differential at 2.2 and tenth is ibaka at -5.4

The top 4 are all at a -10+ differential including rookie Porzingas.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/...ular Season&TeamID=1610612765&sort=FG3A&dir=1

I would think an elite Rim defender would hold his opponents to much lower than a 58% fg%

Andre Drummond is not an elite Rim Protector.
 
You do realize that a good center deter shots as well? Your basically data mining trying to find anything that you can throw against Drummond when you can't explain why Drummond presence on the court results in Detroit's defense being significantly better when he's in there. Every other Detroit player barely budges the numbers except for Drummond.
 
You do realize that a good center deter shots as well? Your basically data mining trying to find anything that you can throw against Drummond when you can't explain why Drummond presence on the court results in Detroit's defense being significantly better when he's in there. Every other Detroit player barely budges the numbers except for Drummond.
I bet my left nut that Tornicade can mine stats that will prove the Earth is flat.
 
You do realize that a good center deter shots as well? Your basically data mining trying to find anything that you can throw against Drummond when you can't explain why Drummond presence on the court results in Detroit's defense being significantly better when he's in there. Every other Detroit player barely budges the numbers except for Drummond.
Drummond on
Opponent PPP 1.026 with an EFG of 49.2 and a TS of 53 in 3098 Possessions
Drummond OFF-
Opponent PPP 1.062 49.4 efg and a TS of 53.8 in 1360 possessions.


not much variation on the opposing teams shooting percentage. amd the PPP is about 2 or 3 points over 80 possessions
http://nbawowy.com/#/8wxj9ux1yd65
 
Detroit averages around a 100 possessions a game so Drummond unadusted drops opponents by 3.8 ppg when he's in the game. Adjusted +/- he's about 4.45 ppg. Since he plays abot 70% of the game that means Detroit's opponents score 3.1 points per game less because of Drummond. That is very good no matter how you slice it.
 
Boy is he a liability out there.

27.8% from FT line in the playoffs.

JV > Drummond ;)
 
I can tell that Drummond is a defender because he deters Kyrie and Lebron from going into the paint. It isn't surprising that Centers shoot well against him as those are likely handoffs and dunks when he is covering the penetrating guard.

he is not that smart though. He has a massive physical advantage against TT and TT who has been burnt in the past does his homework and is not allowing Drummond the freedom of movement he usually enjoys.
 
I really like Drummond, and I really wanted to draft him, but I've got to say it's hard to imagine a team winning a championship with a guy who makes 1/3 of his free throws with the way the current rules are.

Even Shaq hovered around 50%, and Shaq was a special case of being one of the greatest players of all time an advantage that Drummond does not have.

Any momentum your team gets you can just shorten every possession to an expected value of .7 points per possession.

He's got to start trying something else.
 
By no means I would give Drummond a max contract. He's one of the few good big man we currently have in the league but his FT shooting is a liability that every team will exploit in the playoffs. The other stuff he brings to the table is great, but doesn't make up for that critical flaw.
 
His free throw % is getting close Donald Trump's approval rating. Is Drummond finally starting to grow his game?
 

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