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The Baker Maybe Next Year Thread

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I don't know how you can say this when Beckham has a step on Harris as Baker is completing his drop back. It's just a fade to the endzone; it's a bit of a risky throw when you only need 4 yards, but it's also not a ball that needs this pinpoint precision.
Because he’s not even looking at Beckham when he gets open. His internal clock is telling him he can’t be looking there anyways with the offensive line struggles, so he’s focusing on delivering the shallow faster developing routes.

with what you’ve seen this year what makes you think he has time to sit there and wait for a streak route down the field to develop on 4th and 4.
 

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This is just a BAD job by the QB to hit a man when he's open.

Jarvis should get this ball at around the :13 second mark of this video. Ball comes out at about the :16 mark.

I know I know, Baker made nice throws last year.

But this is inexcusable with the game on the line. Freddie schemed him open, the ball isn't getting to where it needs to be.
The route running was bad too.

Landry catches that, even though its late, if not for having another man cross like 3 feet in behind him.

The guy covering Landry wasn't who broke that up. It was the dude covering the second crosser who was entirely too close.
 

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Because he’s not even looking at Beckham when he gets open. His internal clock is telling him he can’t be looking there anyways with the offensive line struggles, so he’s focusing on delivering the shallow faster developing routes.

with what you’ve seen this year what makes you think he has time to sit there and wait for a streak route down the field to develop on 4th and 4.
I just don't understand the jumping through hoops to absolve Baker of blame. I know he's your guy, but he botched this down.
 

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I just don't understand the jumping through hoops to absolve Baker of blame. I know he's your guy, but he botched this down.
Im not though. It’s clear he isn’t going to wait for Beckham to come open for that long with how shit our tackles are. I don’t even think the play is designed for that throw.

Still couldve hit Landry earlier, but the Beckham was wide open shit just doesn’t matter because he hasn’t had that kind of time all year so why would he look at one option the entire play and risk getting sacked. Doesn’t make sense in that particular situation.
 

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Im not though. It’s clear he isn’t going to wait for Beckham to come open for that long with how shit our tackles are. I don’t even think the play is designed for that throw.

Still couldve hit Landry earlier, but the Beckham was wide open shit just doesn’t matter because he hasn’t had that kind of time all year so why would he look at one option the entire play and risk getting sacked. Doesn’t make sense in that particular situation.
As mentioned/shown earlier, Beckham has a step on Harris right as Baker finishes his drop back. If you want to blame the O-Tackles for Baker not looking in OBJ's direction, that's your prerogative.
 

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As mentioned/shown earlier, Beckham has a step on Harris right as Baker finishes his drop back. If you want to blame the O-Tackles for Baker not looking in OBJ's direction, that's your prerogative.
Baker is already on the tight end by the time Beckham comes open. It’s as clear as day.

If you think 4th and 4 with the game on the line Baker is going to stare at one guy until he’s sacked, that’s your perogarive.
 

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Baker is already on the tight end by the time Beckham comes open. It’s as clear as day.

If you think 4th and 4 with the game on the line Baker is going to stare at one guy until he’s sacked, that’s your perogarive.
Clear as day that we was looking at the TE? He never sees his TE, hence the throw into congested traffic

The 1st read here is Hilliard. The LB/DB doesn't blitz and falls into coverage and the next and final read is Landry. Watch Mayfield's helmet carefully

 

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1) that guy needs his ears adjusted
2) That "woman" only needs a bit more surgery to actually make the transformation complete.
I was just coming to post something similar. That's a very handsome woman.
 

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Clear as day that we was looking at the TE? He never sees his TE, hence the throw into congested traffic

The 1st read here is Hilliard. The LB/DB doesn't blitz and falls into coverage and the next and final read is Landry. Watch Mayfield's helmet carefully

There's been a lot of talk about one play in particular, don't know if it's just being used as a microcosm of the whole season, but upon looking at that coaches footage, Baker throws that ball at the absolute worst time. A second earlier, or later even, he probably hits Landry open. That being said, he did do a good job of threading both defenders to hit Landy's hands. Reminds me a bit of the deep TD throw to Landry against Carolina last year. Still made it a more difficult play than it needed to be, though, which, for whatever reason, seems to be a trend this year.
 

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I just don't understand why so many of our routes end up with guys in the same area. Are the coaches that dumb?
The ball is supposed to come out before they get close.
 

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The ball is supposed to come out before they get close.
Sure but not many other coaches are scheming TE hooks with drag routes, for the exact reason above. And to be fair, it could have been a botched route. If it wasn't a botched route, the route combo doesn't make a lot of sense, wether the ball comes out early or not, for the exact situation that happened.

You can't scheme route combinations for absolute best case scenarios IMO. There should be consideration for what happens if you get off schedule. The TE should just be clearing space here. Hooking him on the hash leaves a defender to play centerfield and read what appears to be (possibly) the first two options on this play.....the swing in the flat or the drag over the middle. In both scenarios, a hook allows help instead of producing 1 on 1 open field situations.

Certainly Baker is at fault here, for not coming off his first read quicker but I also think it's just a bad route concept. Even if he gets it to Landry earlier, we are still leaving that defender on the hash, shadowing the TE to read the play and make a tackle as Landry breaks up field.

Kind of the story of the season.....where several things are going wrong at the same time.
 

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Clear as day that we was looking at the TE? He never sees his TE, hence the throw into congested traffic

The 1st read here is Hilliard. The LB/DB doesn't blitz and falls into coverage and the next and final read is Landry. Watch Mayfield's helmet carefully

I disagree with your take here. Baker is first looking at OBJ but it was early in OBJ's route when OBJ was still in contact with the DB. Then Baker looks for Jarvis and delivers the ball a few ticks too late. This was backwards from what the timing of the routes should dictate based on route depth and time to develop; the first read should have been the quick rub/slant to Jarvis and for that route to win the ball needed to be out much earlier in the play clock. Then, if that route wasn't there the second read should have been OBJ to the left, which would have Baker looking his way just as his route broke into the open. The third read should have been Hilliard on the check-down.

Baker's post game statements indicate Baker made the reads and progressions in the way he was coached to execute them, and everyone seemed to blame the TE for drifting his route too close to Jarvis. But to my eye this was a bullshit design, IF Baker executed it the way it was designed... that would make it a horrible route design with the intended progression being backwards from what would have worked.

I figured Baker just looked left in an attempt to move the coverage away from his primary intended target (Jarvis), Baker was too slow to pull the trigger, and the whole route design ended up being a cluster fuck. Blame Baker or blame his coaching, or blame both. But I've seen too many congested route trees with too many receivers ending up in one part of the field, and that would be on Freddie and Monken's play designs and how they coach the execution.
 

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