The Baker Maybe Next Year Thread

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Just leaving this here to contemplate the parallel universe where the Browns made the trade:


That "Break Glass In Case Of Emergency" style player only comes around so often, and the Seahawks reportedly offered him to the Cleveland Browns in 2018. NBC Sports' Chriss Simms noted on PFT Overtime that he heard the Seahawks tried to trade Wilson to the Browns for the No. 1 overall pick which ended up being Baker Mayfield

"I'll say this and I've told you this before," Simms told Mike Florio. "I had heard a rumor from some people that I trust a couple years ago and Seattle called Cleveland when they had the No. 1 pick and there was this rumor going around the NFL that they offered Russell Wilson to the Browns the year they drafted Baker Mayfield ... but I don't know how serious those discussions were."
 

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Just leaving this here to contemplate the parallel universe where the Browns made the trade:


That "Break Glass In Case Of Emergency" style player only comes around so often, and the Seahawks reportedly offered him to the Cleveland Browns in 2018. NBC Sports' Chriss Simms noted on PFT Overtime that he heard the Seahawks tried to trade Wilson to the Browns for the No. 1 overall pick which ended up being Baker Mayfield

"I'll say this and I've told you this before," Simms told Mike Florio. "I had heard a rumor from some people that I trust a couple years ago and Seattle called Cleveland when they had the No. 1 pick and there was this rumor going around the NFL that they offered Russell Wilson to the Browns the year they drafted Baker Mayfield ... but I don't know how serious those discussions were."
ive said it before and ill say it again. Baker was very similar to wilson coming out of college, and I could see a team like the seahawks seeing the same thing. A trade of Wilson would have completely reset the clock for the seahawks, instead of doing a rebuild on the fly
 

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Just leaving this here to contemplate the parallel universe where the Browns made the trade:


That "Break Glass In Case Of Emergency" style player only comes around so often, and the Seahawks reportedly offered him to the Cleveland Browns in 2018. NBC Sports' Chriss Simms noted on PFT Overtime that he heard the Seahawks tried to trade Wilson to the Browns for the No. 1 overall pick which ended up being Baker Mayfield

"I'll say this and I've told you this before," Simms told Mike Florio. "I had heard a rumor from some people that I trust a couple years ago and Seattle called Cleveland when they had the No. 1 pick and there was this rumor going around the NFL that they offered Russell Wilson to the Browns the year they drafted Baker Mayfield ... but I don't know how serious those discussions were."
A lot of people are saying "hindsight no-brainer!!11!! Baker fat cheezcake!!11!!" with these news, but I'm not so sure.

Putting aside the "would he have succeeded without Pete Carroll" speculative - although the point on 92.3 that Hue would probably still be our coach with Wilson is a great one; and also putting aside the scenarios where other picks/players are involved:

Even if he was the deserving MVP over Lamar, he still hasn't gotten past the divisional round since he got his payday, "only" exceeded 10 wins once in that period, and is 7 years older than Baker; i.e. less room for growth/adding talent.

Also, there was plenty of smoke in early 2019 about Ciara wanting a Giants trade; even though that was just a negotiating ploy on an extension, I'm not sure if they would've been any happier here than Seattle.
 
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Just want to say, a large part of what he said in his video, I also commented on in my most recent RBF article. The scheme from 2019 was abysmal and Stefanski's scheme is a great fit for Baker and their personnel.
To play devil's advocate, you know what other scheme would have been a great fit for our personnel in 2019? The scheme Kitchens used in 2018...

I have no reason to believe Stefanski will be as stubborn or incompetent as Kitchens was as HC, but the issues with implementing a new scheme without training camp during this pandemic gives me room for pause.
 

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To play devil's advocate, you know what other scheme would have been a great fit for our personnel in 2019? The scheme Kitchens used in 2018...

I have no reason to believe Stefanski will be as stubborn or incompetent as Kitchens was as HC, but the issues with implementing a new scheme without training camp during this pandemic gives me room for pause.
What makes no sense is that 2018 Kitchens saw the exact problems that Baker had in a vertical passing game and how the line could not handle it, then made that same mistake in 2019 and then his coaching style lost the whole team and they couldn't recover.

Too incompetent to work in Cleveland.
 

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What makes no sense is that 2018 Kitchens saw the exact problems that Baker had in a vertical passing game and how the line could not handle it, then made that same mistake in 2019 and then his coaching style lost the whole team and they couldn't recover.

Too incompetent to work in Cleveland.
The WR tallent in OBJ and Landry is too tempting, especially OBJ who excels in the vert game.


Honestly Baker thrives off of play action the last 2 years and struggles off vert, but we also had 2 horrible tackles so its hard to know if he can do well in the vertical passing game. That said, we have a very good backup who would start for 80% of the teams and arguably the best RB in the game, it seems running more isn't a bad option and it will set up the passing game with play action pass.
 

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