Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

[AZ_]

Insecure of what

The honest truth is you said and made up some bullshit about Mayfield and didn’t like him for all the wrong reasons. And when you come to talk about it you still are in full on denial that you were just flat out completely wrong and just had a hard bias against him for god knows why.

Your eyes betrayed you. That’s the honest truth.

And now when I come and even slightly joke about it, you, being insecure come firing back every time because you can’t leave it untouched that I said you were wrong. In fact you can’t leave it untouched any time someone says you were wrong, even when you were in fact JUST FLAT OUT WRONG.

Why isn’t it enough to be right, that you have to continuously make up the counter arguments against Mayfield?

Pure insecurity isn’t a great look on you, fam. Act like you’ve gotten one right before.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

Triplethreat reads The Ringer, bro. He’s up on this shit.

 

[Sebastian]

Also:

Are folks still conducting Mayfield purist purges?

I think that can probably stop. Might be a good idea.

 

[TheAdmin]

Gentleman, this is the Browns section. EAYOR is down a few spots.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

 

[YuenglingGator]

Main takeaway: Ryan Hollins is as bad on these shows as his play was on the Cavs.

I'm convinced he literally watched this Ted Talk prior to the show and tried to find a way to work the message in...

 

[raiders91sc]

I cant believe im going to spend the time to respond to this, but this is nuts. since u waisted 5 minutes of ur life because of me having fun then I gotta respond so u get ur 5 minutes back and maybe you respond back and I get another 5 minutes of your life

1) why would the giants want to trade up to number 1? No team was going to jump them just to take barkley. This was a QB heavy draft with a bunch of teams that needed a QB. If a team was trading up to number 1 they were going to take a QB. So your first trade off the bat is ridiculous. there was talk all before draft Barkley was best player in draft. Browns could of taken Barkley and drafted a QB at 4. They could of leaked their love for Barkley and pressured Giants to offer a 2nd/3rd to switch with them. Was the percent high they could of pulled this off? No but when Gettlemen sees something he likes he doesn't care what others think.

2) why in the flying fuck would the Bills trade up to take Allen as the first QB taken in this draft? In no world was Allen the number 1 QB prospect out of this draft. Buffalo Bills loved Allen. GM and coach came from Carolina and believe Allen's ceiling is close to Cam Newton. I don't think it is but if you could move up from 12/22 to get a QB you believe to have the ceiling of a MVP and 1 super bowl appearance player you would probably do it.

3) the jets were going to take Mayfield at 3, if the browns didnt take him. must of been posted on the jet message board so its true. there are some GMs prefer Darnold over Baker today. I don't but with the NY media Darnold might be the better pick for them.

So youve got 3 things that were never goign to happen in your fantasy world, in order to take undo risks. In a situation the browns were in they figured out which QB they wanted, and took him. They made the correct move. totally agree they made the right move but you are wrong that these 3 things couldn't of happen.

 

[raiders91sc]

Baker was always going to be the first QB off the board. If the Browns did not select him #1, we would be starting Darnold if we were lucky and Josh Allen if we weren't.

Don't agree. Jets were scared of having Baker in the NY media. I think Baker has shown them that this might of been an issue in NY. Some still believe Darnold will be a better franchise QB. It would of taken all of Patriots draft picks to get even close to drafting Baker. Bill has never done this for any player and he was going to do this for Baker?? Broncos draft 6-4 QBs but Elway said he loved Baker so it has to be true.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

@raiders91sc

1. There's a huge difference between "best player in the draft" and "most valuable player in the draft." A RB was never going #1 overall. Your hypothetical is really, really thin like @bob2the2nd initially called out.

2. You explained the reason the Bills took Allen at 7. Nobody was taking Allen as the first QB off the board. Also, using "after the draft, this team said they loved the player they drafted" is a trash argument, and I believe you're smart enough to realize that. So, stop being disingenuous. It's exhausting.

3. I don't really care to debate if the Jets had Darnold or Baker higher on their board, but most rumors say that Baker was higher. Also, if the scouts are any good, Baker would've been number 1 because, well, he's the better QB.

Also, stop using "could of," "should of," etc.. They're contractions using the word "have" like "could've."

 

[Phills14]

Don't agree. Jets were scared of having Baker in the NY media. I think Baker has shown them that this might of been an issue in NY. Some still believe Darnold will be a better franchise QB. It would of taken all of Patriots draft picks to get even close to drafting Baker. Bill has never done this for any player and he was going to do this for Baker?? Broncos draft 6-4 QBs but Elway said he loved Baker so it has to be true.

I just don’t see any reporting or remember any reporting supporting your belief here.

The Browns ended up with a FQB and a pro bowl corner. I don’t care where they were drafting, that’s a haul that will help shape this franchise for the better for many years to come.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Why are you guys arguing with the dude who said this upthread?

Guys I said I didn't have the most stable or intelligent mind. I just like to mock drafts and do a lot of trade downs. Just having fun with draft not stating any facts.

 

[AZ_]

Giants were taking Mayfield at 2.

Not a guess, pretty sure they haven't even denied it publicly.

Waste of time, and mostly ignorant of the process teams go through to determine if players are the right cultural fit in their organization.

You don't just take a RB and then think all the QBs are the same so just pick one. That's nonsense.

 

[Triplethreat]

Giants were taking Mayfield at 2.

Not a guess, pretty sure they haven't even denied it publicly.

Waste of time, and mostly ignorant of the process teams go through to determine if players are the right cultural fit in their organization.

You don't just take a RB and then think all the QBs are the same so just pick one. That's nonsense.

True.

The QBs were no where near the same. Imagine taking Barkley and ending up with Rosen.

 

[Kbiz]

While I'd argue that being a good "cultural fit" is not as important during the draft process for most teams, when your culture for the last twenty years has been, "joke of the NFL - perpetual losers - who would ever want to play in CLE?", finding a guy that can galvanize a locker room to rid itself of that loser group think is huge.

Baker by all accounts was that guy for us and one of the main reasons we coveted him compared to the other prospects.

While Darnold may have been the better physical prospect, he wouldn't have been able to corral a locker room after the firing of both the HC and OC his rookie year.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

While I'd argue that being a good "cultural fit" is not as important during the draft process for most teams, when your culture for the last twenty years has been, "joke of the NFL - perpetual losers - who would ever want to play in CLE?", finding a guy that can galvanize a locker room to rid itself of that loser group think is huge.

Baker by all accounts was that guy for us and one of the main reasons we coveted him compared to the other prospects.

While Darnold may have been the better physical prospect, he wouldn't have been able to corral a locker room after the firing of both the HC and OC his rookie year.

I never really bought into the idea of a "losing culture" that necessarily takes a long time to turn around. Athletes by their nature are optimistic, and even winning just one game can make you feel much better about the next game. You win a game, and your level of optimism shoots up. Leadership/culture comes in to play when you lose games, and how players respond mentally to that.

The Browns' culture changed sharply twice last first. First, when Baker started and won his first game, then second, when Hue was fired. From that moment on, the vibe and effect of a "winning culture" stayed with the team for the rest of the season, even when we lost games. The culture of the team shifted literally overnight, and due pretty much to Mayfield's leadership. That's just remarkable.