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Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

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the only ones i have seen are someone (i think you?) was kind enough to post 4 of the videos.

but I can tell you number 4 was tipped at the line of scrimmage.... so without seeing the rest i cant confirm how accurate your assesement is. I can only go off of what i have read/can remember.

I started to edit in GIFs on my original post, only got through the Rams game though

From re-watching the highlight, (https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/highlight-darryl-roberts-picks-off-baker-mayfield), I would still pin it on Baker. I didn't notice it was tipped at the LOS, it would certainly explain the wobble. He had plenty of time in the pocket and Beckham was covered well. That's him forcing a throw
 
I watched most of the Ravens / Seahawks and I saw Lamar struggle with the same thing he has his whole career - he can't complete a short pass without a clean pocket. I don't know if it his weird throwing mechanics or what but he constantly throws his TE's and WR's low whenever he has to move out of the pocket.

With that said, SEA was spying him the entire game and he still made defenders look silly when he used his legs but he has just as much to work on as Baker does. He's thrown 1 TD in his last three games.

For as much as we try to compare him to Baker, their play style is so different that it seems pointless to get on this circle jerk every week.

And yet here we are... week after agonizing week. Same arguments, over and over and over again.
 
Links and time stamps @bob2the2nd

Titans
1- 5:08
2- 6:02
3- 6:52

Jets
4- 9:38

Rams
5

Ravens
6- 3:22

49ers
7- 1:08
8- Callaway drop- no video needed

Seahawks
9- 5:26
10- 6:33
11- Hilliard drop
 
You guys can't keep doing this to yourselves.
 
You guys can't keep doing this to yourselves.

You helped create this monster, preying on the sensitive and paranoid souls of us Browns fans.
 
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We don't need to mention the 3+ drops, but he was still incredibly efficient with ball placement and his legs.

Another elite performance, all things considered. Averaging over 7.7 yards per pass attempt this season. It's not YAC either, his Intented Air Yards/pass is 7th best in the league. They're using his legs and taking shots.

Baker, on the other hand, is ahead of only Miami's Josh Rosen with a -31% DVOA for the year.

Another elite performance? AZ. Come on. He completed 45% of his passes for 143 yards and had a 69 QB rating. Each week, his numbers have pulled down in these mentioned categories. His YPA over that last 5 game sample is 6.67. His only 90+ QB rating during that stretch was the Browns game, where he completed a meaningless pass at the end of the game to get over that threshold.

DC's have started to pinch the middle of the field and force action to the boundary and Jackson is just really average pushing the ball outside the hashes.....especially beyond 10 yards. What separates the men from the boys at the QB position is the ability to push the ball outside. It stretches defenses in a way that is really hard to counteract and opens up the middle of the field. Will Lamar ever be able to do that? He currently can only can throw the ball on bubbles and screens to the hashes, with maybe 1 or 2 deep out, back shoulder, etc. throws on the outside per game. If you look at his passing heat-map, it is just lots of short wide, with intermediate to deep over the middle. What QB has succeeded this way in the NFL? Over the long haul? Great QB's push the ball at a high level to all intermediate and deep levels.

I'm sure sample size will take over on Lamar and we can all move on from this discussion. His last 5 splits are nearly identical to his rookie numbers. He had a statistical upswing playing two awful defenses and has regressed to his NFL averages since.
 
Another elite performance? AZ. Come on. He completed 45% of his passes for 143 yards and had a 69 QB rating. Each week, his numbers have pulled down in these mentioned categories. His YPA over that last 5 game sample is 6.67. His only 90+ QB rating during that stretch was the Browns game, where he completed a meaningless pass at the end of the game to get over that threshold.

DC's have started to pinch the middle of the field and force action to the boundary and Jackson is just really average pushing the ball outside the hashes.....especially beyond 10 yards. What separates the men from the boys at the QB position is the ability to push the ball outside. It stretches defenses in a way that is really hard to counteract and opens up the middle of the field. Will Lamar ever be able to do that? He currently can only can throw the ball on bubbles and screens to the hashes, with maybe 1 or 2 deep out, back shoulder, etc. throws on the outside per game. If you look at his passing heat-map, it is just lots of short wide, with intermediate to deep over the middle. What QB has succeeded this way in the NFL? Over the long haul? Great QB's push the ball at a high level to all intermediate and deep levels.

I'm sure sample size will take over on Lamar and we can all move on from this discussion. His last 5 splits are nearly identical to his rookie numbers. He had a statistical upswing playing two awful defenses and has regressed to his NFL averages since.

Why do we always have to ignore his running ability when discussing his performance?

What QB do you know was at his passing ceiling at 22?

Who is his best WR? Why aren't you looking at his accuracy scores or drops to defend him?

He's doing what is asked and playing to his strengths. Objectively, he's having a tremendous year when incorporating the entirety of his game.

If you're not willing to do that and instead choosing to hide behind the "he can't keep this up" stuff, by all means just say so.

But I'd expect him to get better, and am well aware of the fact that he's by no means a finished product.
 
Can someone just start a Lamar Jackson thread?

I come in here to read about Baker's performance and, right now, what he needs to do to get better. This thread sucks ass when it's about people trying to remind everyone that they like Lamar Jackson's game more than Baker. Go to a Ravens board; people will love that shtick.
 
Can someone just start a Lamar Jackson thread?

I come in here to read about Baker's performance and, right now, what he needs to do to get better. This thread sucks ass when it's about people trying to remind everyone that they like Lamar Jackson's game more than Baker. Go to a Ravens board; people will love that shtick.

Bet there'd be less if Baker played at even a league average level, but that's just a hunch.

But I don't think any of us need to relive the performance of our current QB at any level of depth beyond what's already been provided.


Over the larger sample size of 16 last year Baker was much, much superior as a player.

Let's compare them, shall we?


Baker Mayfield:
61.7% - 7.6 YPA - 6.87 aYPA - 33/25 total TD:INT - 3.5 YPC on 47 career carries

Lamar Jackson:
61.0% - 7.4 YPA - 7.35 aYPA - 25/8 total TD:INT - 5.5 YPC on 232 career carries


I'm not sure I'd qualify Mayfield with any sort of superiority here.

But then again, I've been told I don't watch all the games.
 
Bet there'd be less if Baker played at even a league average level, but that's just a hunch.

That's completely irrelevant to the point. Baker's poor play makes this a Lamar Jackson thread? I know topics & players bleed into other threads, but this isn't bleeding, this is a massacre of a thread. The play of one QB is independent from the play of the other.
 
Jake Burns has a stat on Twitter. Baker’s numbers when pressured:

18-45, 1 TD, 4 interceptions

yikes
 
That's completely irrelevant to the point. Baker's poor play makes this a Lamar Jackson thread? I know topics & players bleed into other threads, but this isn't bleeding, this is a massacre of a thread. The play of one QB is independent from the play of the other.

Well, no.

People comparing the QBs drafted around Mayfield makes it a comparison related conversation that you're choosing to complain about instead of actively participating in.

You have the option of not reading it, as its not like there is anything relevant to discuss with regards to Mayfield's play other than how much it needs to be improved (again).
 
Jake Burns has a stat on Twitter. Baker’s numbers when pressured:

18-45, 1 TD, 4 interceptions

yikes
Worse part...........its so obvious how he is not handling pressure. I can understand QBs can get rattled, even Brady, but it's constant with Baker. Almost like he's trying to overcorrect himself b4 he even makes a bad play.

New England will eat us alive if Baker keeps this up
 
Well, no.

People comparing the QBs drafted around Mayfield makes it a comparison related conversation that you're choosing to complain about instead of actively participating in.

You have the option of not reading it, as its not like there is anything relevant to discuss with regards to Mayfield's play other than how much it needs to be improved (again).

So it's my fault you can't stay on-topic now?

This comparison dies the moment you stop feeding it.

I'm here to read about Baker. Not here to sift through your diatribes about your disdain regarding how fanatics see Baker compared to other QBs.

Talk about insufferable.
 
So it's my fault you can't stay on-topic now?

This comparison dies the moment you stop feeding it.

I'm here to read about Baker. Not here to sift through your diatribes about your disdain regarding how fanatics see Baker compared to other QBs.

Talk about insufferable.

Okay, well good luck trying to limit the conversation to avoid any possible conflicts and comparisons...

Seems fun.
 

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