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I will never understand why some Browns fans are suggesting getting rid of Landry anytime soon. I love OBJ, but I get that. I like Hollywood, but get that, too. But Landry should be a guy folks *want* to keep until *he* wants to go. The dude is Mack Wilson, if Mack made a Pro Bowl and had talent.

I hope the coaching staff sees something in Mack Wilson that I dont, because i would love for him to make the team...I dont see it happening, but we shall see.
 
Good point about thread integrity. *pours out a 40 for @Karma* I see the basis for so many debates about expensive vets and up-and-coming young players as the same issue over and over:

Will young players with limited snaps be able to replicate that efficiency in a larger role? I think the answer is complicated.

Let's take DPJ. He had a set role in the offense last season: vertical route tree and run blocking. He made some great catches, and led the team in yards per catch as well as yards per target.

However, it's important to note KharDarel Hodge was second on the team in yards per catch. Part of DPJ's efficiency was his limited usage and route tree.

Landry runs precise shorter routes, and I can't just project DPJ into the same role running the same routes if he jumped into the starting lineup to replace him.

To a lesser example - Higgins was able to produce catches in OBJ's role in 2020, but it's a huge mistake to say the offense worked as optimally without OBJ. His game-breaking speed as sorely missed.

Efficiency is tough because who the other recievers are and the routes you run matters. DPJ was not seeing double teams, Landry was.

That said, DPJ deserves time on the field for blocking alone. We are a run first offense and DPJ blocking sprung a rb on more than one occasion.
 
Obviously Dallas laughs at you and tells you there's no way DPJ sees the field over Lamb/Amari/Gallup. But, I imagine most teams in the NFL feel the same way.
  • Nuk, AJ Green, Rondale Moore, Christian Kirk, Andy Isabella
  • Julio, Ridley, Gage
  • DJ Moore, Robby Anderson, Terrace Marshall
  • Woods, Kupp, Jefferson, DJax, Tutu
  • Golladay, Slayton, Toney, Shepard
  • Smith, Reagor, then pick your poison (I think it's gonna be Trevon Grimes, but Fulgham and Ward have been very effective for the Eagles)
  • Deebo, Aiyuk, Sanu
  • DK, Lockett, Eskridge
  • Godwin, Evans, AB, Scotty Miller, Jaelon Darden
You might be able to argue DPJ fits into a couple of those groups, but you can't tell me with a straight face that he's the best third receiver on that list. That's just from the NFC as well.

Look, I like DPJ. I think he has a nice blend of size and athleticism. Right now, his best attributes are run blocking and using his size along the boundary. He's a really good fourth or fifth receiver, which is where we have him right now. But he hasn't shown the ability to be a starter in this league and nobody should be penciling him in as much. He's a fine backup X to have on your roster, but to count on him to be anything more than that right now is, at best, assuming development that hasn't yet happened.

He was also only a rookie last year and played in only 12 games getting 14 receptions on 20 targets even after OBJ went down.

He clawed his way up from 5th receiver to 3rd. Now that OBJ is healthy he is fighting with Higgins to be the 3rd receiver in an offense that doesnt use a ton of 3 or 4 receiver sets.

Allot of us see potential, but I dont think we are saying he is a starter yet, but he has potential to be a 2nd receiver in an offense. Receiver is a difficult position to develop, probably the 2nd most difficult offensive potential. I think it was a solid pick from last year and I hope he is around for a long time in what ever role he earns.
 
Marry fuck, kill..... Landry DPJ and ODB

Bonus, Higgins you can pick any of the 3.

Okay, Landry? I'd fuck Landry.


Then I'd marry him, then last I'd kill him. DPJ, I'd kill first, then fuck...

What's with the looks, am I doing this wrong?
 
DPJ, I'd kill first, then fuck...
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I hope the coaching staff sees something in Mack Wilson that I dont, because i would love for him to make the team...I dont see it happening, but we shall see.

I agree. He was the first Browns player I ever followed on social media. I do remember reading something about Mack having loads of potential and Saban saying it'll take him longer to realize it because he's so young. Hopefully this summer is when he gets it. Can we petition the League for a 54th spot? Can someone insignificant get injured just enough to go on IR? Can we trade a few guys for picks to make room?
 
He was also only a rookie last year and played in only 12 games getting 14 receptions on 20 targets even after OBJ went down.

He clawed his way up from 5th receiver to 3rd. Now that OBJ is healthy he is fighting with Higgins to be the 3rd receiver in an offense that doesnt use a ton of 3 or 4 receiver sets.

Allot of us see potential, but I dont think we are saying he is a starter yet, but he has potential to be a 2nd receiver in an offense. Receiver is a difficult position to develop, probably the 2nd most difficult offensive potential. I think it was a solid pick from last year and I hope he is around for a long time in what ever role he earns.

This post brings up a lot of interesting views on DPJ and development. I'd like to hear more on how you came up with second most difficult offensive position to develop potential. Are you calling QB the most difficult, I assume? Free agency kind of ignored #2 and #3 receivers this year. I think true #1 receivers are super-valuable but after that it isn't a valued position.

I consider tight end more difficult than receiver because they are so critical to run blocking as well as route running and pass protection from play to play. It's a far more cerebral position than it gets credit for being, hence why we see a number of tight ends entering high level coaching positions at OC and head coach.
 
This post brings up a lot of interesting views on DPJ and development. I'd like to hear more on how you came up with second most difficult offensive position to develop potential. Are you calling QB the most difficult, I assume? I consider tight end more difficult because they are so critical to run blocking as well as route running and pass protection from play to play. It's a far more cerebral position than it gets credit for being, hence why we see a number of tight ends entering high level coaching positions at OC and head coach.

Tight end has argument. Their route tree is typically much simpler than a receiver and their blocking is much easer than a typical lineman, that said they do both. But blocking SHOULD be a huge part for a receiver and that is an area DPJ excelled at last year.

The reason I think receiver is so tough is so much is based upon reading the defense and running a route based upon that defense and being on the same page as the QB without signals or talking allot of the time.

Also the route tree receivers run is complicated, more than just the simple 9 route tree these days. On top of that, you have to learn to beat much better defenders off the ball, find holes in the zones or run crisp routes to beat man to man while not getting tied up at the line.

But I agree Tight end is up there too. My main point is very few receivers come into the season and kill it, DPJ was a late round pick, with tons of potential, but like Schwartz was in the wrong offense and didnt develop well in college. Berry has a type that he looks for in receiver at draft day...its like me and Latino women, lol
 
Berry has a type that he looks for in receiver at draft day...its like me and Latino women, lol

I wake up preaching thread integrity... and then you drop this one. You sum-bitch, you.

Back to receivers, a complete receiver is as valuable as a left tackle. The guys who play a role are easily replaced. Right now, DPJ crushes in vertical routes and blocking. He has more development to go in other respects.

Schwartz isn't ready to block like DPJ or catch 50/50 balls, but he has similar raw tools that can blow the roof off his ceiling.
 
I wake up preaching thread integrity... and then you drop this one. You sum-bitch, you.

Back to receivers, a complete receiver is as valuable as a left tackle. The guys who play a role are easily replaced. Right now, DPJ crushes in vertical routes and blocking. He has more development to go in other respects.

Schwartz isn't ready to block like DPJ or cat h 50/50 balls, but he has similar raw tools that can blow the roof off his ceiling.

Hey I was talking about our GM and the type of receiver he drafts in a thread about a receiver our GM drafted.

My thread integrity is spot on.
 

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