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The Freddie Kitchens Hot Dumpster Fire

What grade to you give the Browns for hiring Freddie Kitchens as their next Head Coach?

  • A+

    Votes: 40 24.4%
  • A

    Votes: 58 35.4%
  • A-

    Votes: 14 8.5%
  • B

    Votes: 19 11.6%
  • Less than that, but I'm also not fun at parties.

    Votes: 33 20.1%

  • Total voters
    164

Cassity14

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Thank you. This is brutal to see in here. He got the perception of working with the Browns to be the most palatable it has been in a decade-plus. He's got multiple pro-bowl receivers to be happy here. If you ask me, it's the Sashi truthers driving this dumb-ass take, looking to rise again like the South aims to do.
You had me until the bolded. It's not any group, it's just Browns fans. Rather, it's Cleveland fans.
Sports fans, particularly those in Cleveland, just embrace misery like no other.

Literally nothing is ever good enough or ok. Struggle = start over. It's the shittiest mentality.

We've got people shit talking Beilein in the Cavs forum because of a couple lousy pre-season games. We've had people in the Indians forum suggest that moving on from Francona would somehow be beneficial.
 

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Baker, Denzel, and Chubb are head scratchers? One made a Pro Bowl as a rookie, one is a top 3 running back in the NFL this season, one is a second year QB who set a rookie TD record.

I put the struggles on coaching and inability to scheme to our players' strengths. Avery should be in uniform. Callaway was a bright spot last year and has regressed this season due in large part to his suspension.

I'm frustrated like everyone else and I'm also admittedly worried - rightfully so. But give them time. Unlike the Chiefs when Mahomes stepped in as starter, this entire roster is composed of youth in key positions.
I said "much of" and "potentially."

If this slump continues, we could realistically be making, and I'm going to say it, Jamarcus comparisons with Baker.

Let's see if Ward isn't perpetually injured.

Corbett was a really bad miss.
 
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You had me until the bolded. It's not any group, it's just Browns fans. Rather, it's Cleveland fans.
Sports fans, particularly those in Cleveland, just embrace misery like no other.

Literally nothing is ever good enough or ok. Struggle = start over. It's the shittiest mentality.

We've got people shit talking Beilein in the Cavs forum because of a couple lousy pre-season games. We've had people in the Indians forum suggest that moving on from Francona would somehow be beneficial.
Can't disagree with what you've said.

That said, we'll have to agree to disagree about Sashi truthers. The looming desire for a "told ya so" is very palpable, IMO. I mean, we have Sashi truthers ready to quit on Dorsey for.... wait for it.... overseeing some losing.
 

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I think Dorsey is better than any Browns GM in recent history. The problem which I think is fixable or will fix itself over the course of another draft or two is Dorsey wants to get his guys over depth he already has. Alot of it is tinkering with good units to take gambles on either his guys or getting rid of other regimes guys who are solid 2 deep guys for questionable depth guys.

How he changed the secondary over the off-season. He got rid of Peppers, Kindred, and BBC for Burnett, Whitehead, and Eric Murray. It wasn't an upgrade and it's wasn't even necessary since the original group might actually smooth out some of the flaws in Wilks system.

Over the last two seasons, I think the D-line could have been extremely deep with usable depth. Instead I think we are top heavy with our starters and there is a big drop off in our 2 deep. Imagine having Ogbah, Nassib, and Coley as you rotation guys with Chris Smith and our 4 starters.

I think our TEs is another spot that he got rid of Fells then Devalve to get Harris and keep Pharaoh Brown. He got Seals Jones but it took him weeks to get up to speed. Fells and Devalve would have probably held down the unit just fine after Njoku got hurt and Seals Jones would have been an added bonus once he got up to speed instead of feelng like a complete necessity that he preforms.

I think Dorsey becomes alot better if he can just focus on fix bad units and being happy with good units. Also putting value in the off-season workouts and preseason so guys are ready to step in early in the season. It hard when your next guy up is a guy you picked off waivers just before the season started and doesn't even know the system yet.
 

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Jason Lloyd said on the radio two days ago that when John Dorsey took the Browns GM job he had a list of potential head coaching candidates. Freddie Kitchens was not on that list. Either he must've impressed the hell out of them or Baker loved him. Will Dorsey pull the plug early? Who knows but Kitchens needs to clean up the small stuff.
 

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Getting a little embarrassing around here.
Ah, true. Jamarcus did have a big drop off after his touchdown record-breaking rookie season.
Ok, ok. My comments were better suited for a rant thread, although the Ward comment has to have more validity, and everyone can agree on the Corbett comment.

The specter of Baker potentially not being a franchise-level QB has hung over all of us this season, though; I guess it all comes with PTSD from 25 years of being snakebitten...

To be fair, he has gained weight like a mini-Jamarcus. ;) And people are wondering if he has "lost his edge" and not worked as hard...like Jamarcus.
 

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Jason Lloyd said on the radio two days ago that when John Dorsey took the Browns GM job he had a list of potential head coaching candidates. Freddie Kitchens was not on that list. Either he must've impressed the hell out of them or Baker loved him. Will Dorsey pull the plug early? Who knows but Kitchens needs to clean up the small stuff.
Well no shit, when Dorsey took the job Kitchens was a RB coach in Arizona that nobody had heard of. Just another stupid comment from Lloyd on the Browns, dude has no idea what he's talking about. Freddie got the job because of what he did in 2018, and because there weren't exactly any great candidates out there.
 

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Jason Lloyd said on the radio two days ago that when John Dorsey took the Browns GM job he had a list of potential head coaching candidates. Freddie Kitchens was not on that list. Either he must've impressed the hell out of them or Baker loved him. Will Dorsey pull the plug early? Who knows but Kitchens needs to clean up the small stuff.
I have no doubt that Dorsey had a list. Most upper management do in pretty much any line of work. I’d be willing to bet several on that list were hired in 2018.

I can’t see any real reason why Dorsey would want to get rid of Kitchens right now unless something was toxic behind the scenes. That would only reflect extremely poorly on his decision making and ability to evaluate a coach. If things continue as they have, you probably need to look into it at the end of the year.

Barring an outright mutiny by the team or a couple straight shoutouts I can’t imagine Freddie gets dumped in the season. Lloyd’s just trying to stir up some shit.
 

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Well no shit, when Dorsey took the job Kitchens was a RB coach in Arizona that nobody had heard of. Just another stupid comment from Lloyd on the Browns, dude has no idea what he's talking about. Freddie got the job because of what he did in 2018, and because there weren't exactly any great candidates out there.
Is he covering the Cavs still? Maybe he should stick to that if so. Dude has been awful with his Browns and Indians takes.
 

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