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The Kevin Stefanski: Two-Time Coach of the Year Thread

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Grade the signing

  • A+ -Awesome Analytics Alignment!

    Votes: 55 30.9%
  • A - Good choice moving forward

    Votes: 53 29.8%
  • B - Better than the other options

    Votes: 20 11.2%
  • C - Could work out I guess

    Votes: 30 16.9%
  • D - Browns done put their foot in it again, but at least he looks good on TV

    Votes: 9 5.1%
  • F - A failure on every level

    Votes: 11 6.2%

  • Total voters
    178
At this point I wouldn't mind seeing how Alex Van Pelt might call plays. Stefanski has thought himself into blind alleys at times. Game situation as head coach has caused him to get too conservative as a playcaller in the fourth quarter on a number of occasions. It should be noted that some Vikings fans were not too sorry to see Stefanski depart as OC.

I'm not here to say Stef isn't or cannot be a great head coach—he's clearly trending in the right direction—but at times his usually very effective offense can stall because of muddle and doubt.
 
You don’t “make a habit” of anything. You play within the game- in this particular game, the Chargers we’re playing ultra aggressively. It was clear the Browns needed to also. They didn’t and instead decided to turtle up and thus were effortlessly beaten when LA got the ball back, as literally anyone could have predicted.

I can 100% confidently say we had a better chance to win by actually trying to get a first down on that drive, than punting and giving Herbert the ball at midfield down 1 against a depleted defense that hadn’t stopped him all day. 100% can say that.

Exactly, the thing about Stefanski is that he actually does the smart thing often by playing the percentages on 4th down, but in that case some nerd or simulation told him statistically punting was the right call…but if anyone was watching the game or the Browns of the last 20 years you knew exactly how the game would end.

I blasted this guy after the playoff loss when he punted on 4th and 7 or whatever and we never got the ball back. Same thing happened here. The game is not played on paper Kevin. It is becoming worrying and you at least have to start to ask if he is the guy to take us to the promised land. You would say no today.
 
Y’all are making some pretty wacky statements in here.

We scored 42 points and would have basically had a 50 burger if Odell doesn’t drop that 4th down.

It wasn’t enough to win today for 2 reasons that have nothing to do with Stefanski:

1) The defense spotted the Chargers 14 points with inexcusable blown coverages

2) The refs spotted the Chargers 14 points with 2 egregious, drive-saving penalties

Stefanski can and should learn from some of his mistakes yesterday, but if not for points 1&2 above he would have been appropriately lauded for orchestrating an offensive explosion. With half our OL out. And best WR out. And QB with a bum shoulder.

So yeah…deep breaths.
 
Virtually unstoppable....

Browns put up 42 on the cutting edge, defensive genius Brandon Staley. They punted 2 times. They are already virtually unstoppable

IMO the Browns have the best offense in the league at creating advantageous down and distances due to their league best rushing attack.

But the fact is, if this team has legitimate Super Bowl aspirations, they simply have struggled more than is acceptable in obvious passing situations.

This is now two games against fellow AFC contenders where the Browns have absolutely gone HAM in the run game and still lost the game.
 
Yeah I'm not really seeing the panic. Sure there are some things to work on but we scored 42 points on the road against one of the best in the AFC. Our defense gave up 47 which is the real problem, although with our DBs going down faster than a well paid hooker we shouldn't be that surprised.
 
Bengals fan here, I watch every Browns fan and root for them whenever they don't play the Bengals.

Deciding to run on 3rd and 10 late and not even give Baker the opportunity to get the first down was really silly. Bad coaching by whoever is making the offensive play calls.
 
A fucking two year old could see that if you gave the Chargers the ball back, you were gonna lose.

Should have played for a first down. Maybe if they actually tried to convert on 3rd and 10 it wouldn’t have even gotten to 4th down.
I'm 2 and I confirm this. I said it about 10 times last night, but that sequence was in essence forfeiting and them missing that PAT was by far the worst thing that could have happened to us. fuck that kicker.
 
Lol. We can critique a young HC without being melodramatic. No, it is not worth noting that Vikings fans didn’t mind seeing him go. Why do people go from 0 to 100 with one game. Welcome to being contenders. We’re gonna be in high octane games with other contenders, ball crushing stressful contests, and will lose some of those. This is the lyfe we all asked for when we prayed for the Browns to git gud. Let’s critique the team without going psycho.
 

Interesting exchange in here at the 3:15 mark, Stefanski begrudgingly admitted that the non-call for PI on Higgins/DPJ on 2nd down influenced his decision to call the draw on 3rd & 9. Calling the draw was still the wrong call (which he admits), but it's somewhat understandable in the heat of the moment given the incompetence displayed by the officials all game long.

Sounds like the Browns will be sending quite a bit of film to the league this week.
 
If the biggest criticism we have of our 2nd year NFL coach is that he tends to take his foot off the gas too much when we are up two scores, I will gladly take that.

Stefanski will learn from his mistakes.
 
Haslam needs to tell Stefanski he’s got the fine covered, just blast the officiating. These ticky tack calls need to stop. Browns coaches have taken the high road for the last 20+ years. Blast them to the moon tomorrow.
 
Stefanski has frustrated me a few times, but I have seen enough evidence that he learns from mistakes that I don't worry about any of them long term.

Every other coach we've had in my lifetime has frustrated me FAR more than a few times, to the point that I'm absolutely certain I could have done a better job as head coach than most of them. I do not feel like I can out coach Stefanski, which is a great feeling.

Sometimes I do wonder if calling plays can be too much at times, but I do remember seeing him ask other coaches for input so I do think play calling is at least on some level a group effort, which is another reason I have confidence in him.

I don't know if we'll win a superb owl in this window, but I'm fairly confident it won't be because of Stefanski if we don't.
 
So, you think a QB should be penalized in how he is evaluated because of how many yards the ball travels in the air, even though the QB put the ball in place when and where it needed to be for the play to suceed?

I don't want to speak for @CBBI but that would not be my view of what he is saying.

A player isn't evaluated on the number of expected or average plays he makes. Most NFL QB's can throw the ball on time, to an open receiver for example. It is an assumed talent to stay in the NFL. QB's are evaluated on the value they deliver over an average QB.......because being better than average at the QB position is, generally speaking, how you win. Can you win other ways? Sure.....you can. But it is harder to do so, your margin for error is smaller and year to year, it is a lot more difficult to sustain.

Game to game, this can be harder for people to rally around.......but over the course of a season or seasons, you can't just scheme your way out of average QB play....because eventually, a defense will start doing things that limit the number of average or expected throws the QB is getting......blitzing, coverage, etc. and the QB will need to start making plays that an average QB really cannot (consistently). In a 16 game season, you can sometimes get away with it. Like last year, Ben was generally bad relative to the league.....but Pittsburgh rode a great defense and some fortunate timing to an 11-5 record. But you can't win over multiple years with that formula.

Stefanski has made some mistakes this season but his scheme is certainly working. Opportunities are there for big plays but the big problem has been Mayfield has regressed rather significantly in Expected Points Added per Play for example.

EPA/PLAY OA is Expected Points Added Overage Average, expressed as a season total. So it is (Production over or under league average x Number of plays). If you divide that number by games played, you see on a per game basis what the QB did throughout the season.

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This can change but through 6 weeks, on average, Baker is -2.133 in 2021......or roughly 2 points per game worse in EPA than an average QB. In 2020, he was 2 points better than average. That is a really big difference in wins and losses, as there is a strong correlation between EPA at QB and wins. So if Stefanski is roughly losing 4 points in EPA from 2020, he has to make it up elsewhere......we have attempted to do that by riding Chubb and Hunt, who are both top 5 RB's in Value Over Average.

But as injuries have mounted or things like bad penalties have gone against us, that massive EPA regression from our QB then comes in to play......and in situations where we don't have more runway to absorb something unexpected (like LAC), we are generally going to lose more than we are going to win. Last year, we had far better chance to absorb adversity because we had better than average QB play, which afforded us more margin for error. It is why Mahomes is the ultimate cheat code. Play like shit for 2 quarters......doesn't matter because Mahomes can deliver 2-3x the value per play over the average QB. So you can quickly erase mistakes or succeed with plays other teams can't succeed with.

Sorry is this is super long winded, I was trying to clearly articulate the point here with Stefanski. To me, the scheme is the scheme......it is great......it can churn out points at the NFL level. Think of our scoring metrics this season or DVOA rank and consider that we are doing that with a below league average performance at QB........that speaks to how great of an offensive tactician Stefanski has been. Generally speaking, his mistakes have been magnified this season because he is trying to navigate a pretty severe handicap offensively. That doesn't absolve them......he needs to be better in certain situations but I think it can help explain why he has made some curious choices a handful of times.
 
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