The Rise of Skywalker spoilers thread

[Jack Brickman]

We get it, you hate the prequels.

I hate the new movies too. Just don't like how everyone pretends they are so much worse than the prequels when they are either just as bad or slightly better.

 

[Urban]

Whenever Star Wars decides to make it's next trilogy, they'd be wise to maybe consider keeping on the same director/screenwriter/storywriter for all 3 movies.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Whenever Star Wars decides to make it's next trilogy, they'd be wise to maybe consider keeping on the same director/screenwriter/storywriter for all 3 movies.

Yeah, they really need a consistent vision if they're going to do trilogies. Leave the director carousel to the stand alone films.

 

[col63onel]

Only time someone wrote and directed all 3 sw films in a trilogy was the prequels.

Marvel does great with rotating directors.

 

[Urban]

Only time someone wrote and directed all 3 sw films in a trilogy was the prequels.

Marvel does great with rotating directors.

Not the original 3?

Marvel is so much less linear though considering how many different "worlds", for lack of a better term, there is within its universe. Plus, Feige I'm sure, at some level, has/had some sort of oversight in the vision to make sure it aligned with the Avengers storyline.

While it would be nice, it might be unrealistic to expect Star Wars or any other franchise to do with Marvel does.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Not the original 3?

Marvel is so much less linear though considering how many different "worlds", for lack of a better term, there is within its universe. Plus, Feige I'm sure, at some level, has/had some sort of oversight in the vision to make sure it aligned with the Avengers storyline.

While it would be nice, it might be unrealistic to expect Star Wars or any other franchise to do with Marvel does.

I'm pretty sure Lucas either didn't write or direct ESB.

Edit: Yeah, Lucas wrote and directed ANH, Kasdan wrote ESB and Irvin Kershner directed, then Kasadan and Lucas wrote RotJ while Richard Marquand directed it.

 

[macbdog]

Yeah, they really need a consistent vision if they're going to do trilogies. Leave the director carousel to the stand alone films.

I think the single-biggest problem was the carousel of writers. The changes are going to happen- Lucas clearly added Vader as Luke's father after episode 4- but it was too extreme for this trilogy. Johnson came in and not only flushed all of Abrams' tantalizing loose ends down the toilet but basically taunted the viewers in how he did it. Disney should have just let/made Abrams do the whole thing. Hopefully they learn from that mistake, realize that Star Wars fans are like wrestling fans and they will buy just abt anything no matter how much they bitch (Solo was an outlier imo), and let the next director team build, develop and finish their vision.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I think the single-biggest problem was the carousel of writers. The changes are going to happen- Lucas clearly added Vader as Luke's father after episode 4- but it was too extreme for this trilogy. Johnson came in and not only flushed all of Abrams' tantalizing loose ends down the toilet but basically taunted the viewers in how he did it. Disney should have just let/made Abrams do the whole thing. Hopefully they learn from that mistake, realize that Star Wars fans are like wrestling fans and they will buy just abt anything no matter how much they bitch (Solo was an outlier imo), and let the next director team build, develop and finish their vision.

Yeah directors was the wrong term. They need one coherent story vision if they are going to do trilogies. You don't even necessarily need the same writers but you need one person who has the whole story in mind, like Lucas with the originals. He just had other people around to check his worst impulses back then, unlike with the prequels where he had full control of everything and no one had the sack to tell him his ideas were terrible.

 

[Urban]

I'm pretty sure Lucas either didn't write or direct ESB.

Edit: Yeah, Lucas wrote and directed ANH, Kasdan wrote ESB and Irvin Kershner directed, then Kasadan and Lucas wrote RotJ while Richard Marquand directed it.

As @Jack Brickman mentioned above, I shouldn't have said director/screenwriter. Lucas didn't direct the film or write the literal screenplay, but it was still his story and he had the vision for where he wanted it to go.

The new trilogy doesn't have a continuous vision. It showed in TJL and I'm sure it will show more in the next one too.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

As @Jack Brickman mentioned above, I shouldn't have said director/screenwriter. Lucas didn't direct the film or write the literal screenplay, but it was still his story and he had the vision for where he wanted it to go.

The new trilogy doesn't have a continuous vision. It showed in TJL and I'm sure it will show more in the next one too.

Agreed. The thought was that Kathleen Kennedy had someone doing this for the new Sequel Trilogy. Turns out, it was just JJ Abrams wanting to redo Episodes 4-6 again.

This is why I'd love them to time warp a lot. Either in the future or past. Doing something based on the Old Republic would be extremely sweet and there is a lot of material that they could already use to have a good vision.

 

[Sebastian]

a.) Luke's return to the screen was underwhleming. He was a hermit that drank weird green milk. He's one of the greatest cinematic heroes of all time, and was reduced to a slapstick bit.

b.) the Leia Poppins scene really made no sense. It was in there as a dumb fakeout.

c.) The Leia/Poe/Holdo storyline was so contrived. If any of them had slightly below average communication skills, that whole sideplot wouldn't have been necessary. They all were on the same side, wanted the same thing, yet because they had to keep secrets from each other, there had to be a coup.

d.) The Finn/Rose casino scene might be as bad as anything in the prequels. Besides the wonky CGI, the character motivations made no sense. Case in point: after Rose and Finn tore up the city, they still had (to their knowledge) failed their mission. They should've thought that they just doomed the galaxy to subjugation to the First Order. So they justify it by saying "well we made them hurt a little and freed some animals, so that makes it worth it". No, dipshits, dooming the galaxy is not fixed by causing some slight property damage that be fixed in a week and freeing some animals that will be recaptured in a few hours, all on a planet so rich it won't even remember you were there. Just so dumb.

As much as I didn't like the Luke storyline, it didn't ruin the movie for me. But they obviously had no idea what to do with the rest of the characters, so they got insanely dumb side plots. Maddening.

e.) Kylo Ren, in both movies, has been built up to be a major badass, then ended the movie looking like a bafoon. It's like they took the cool, menacing parts of Vader in the original trilogy but meshed it with whiny douchiness of Anakin from the prequels. He gets easily defeated in both movies. Hard to take him seriously after all the trouble they went through to build him up.

And it's a shame because his lightsaber duels in both movies have been really well done. I think the throne room scene in TLJ might be my favorite scene of Eps 7 and 8. But then they just shit on his character.

f.) Snoke? Just a diversion. Instead the big bad is the guy we keep making look like a chump.

edit - In the end, it's pretty subjective. Nothing wrong with liking TLJ. These are my problems with it, but there are definitely scenes/parts that I liked.

The Holdo thing was the stupidest, most contrived plot line. A complete waste.

A character no one has heard of, isn't even military, but is somehow an admiral, is invented so Leia and her can evidently laugh about how stupid men are as they tell no one of their plan, not even Poe who is their ranking commander, inviting a coup because everyone thinks leadership is just going to let everyone die.

And then the character no one gives a shit about gets the glory, while employing a tactic no one had used because it is so obvious, while a fan favorite is flushed down the toilet.

TLJ was a big fuck you to its fans in the way Ghostbusters '16 was.

Might as well just hired Melissa McCarthy to play Holdo and ad-lib hackneyed bits about laxative.

GOD TLJ FUCKING SUCKED

 

[Sebastian]

To take our minds off of the pending dumpster fire TROS will be, I will submit an old fashioned Star Wars internet debate.

Who wins in a straight-up fight at their respective peaks?: Post Clone Wars Darth Maul vs. Post-ROTJ (pre-garbage sequels) Luke Skywalker? @The Human Q-Tip @BMAN

vs.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

Am I safe to assume that The Mandalorian will be ripped and posted on streaming sites?

 

[kosis]

The Holdo thing was the stupidest, most contrived plot line. A complete waste.

A character no one has heard of, isn't even military, but is somehow an admiral, is invented so Leia and her can evidently laugh about how stupid men are as they tell no one of their plan, not even Poe who is their ranking commander, inviting a coup because everyone thinks leadership is just going to let everyone die.

And then the character no one gives a shit about gets the glory, while employing a tactic no one had used because it is so obvious, while a fan favorite is flushed down the toilet.

TLJ was a big fuck you to its fans in the way Ghostbusters '16 was.

Might as well just hired Melissa McCarthy to play Holdo and ad-lib hackneyed bits about laxative.

GOD TLJ FUCKING SUCKED

I'll never understand why they didn't make Ackbar some sort of heroic martyr instead of just flushing him, as you say... and creating the useless Holdo character. Really boggles the ol mind.

 

[kosis]

Anakin goes from being slightly troubled to mass murdering children over about ten minutes of screen time.

Thanks for reminding me of who season 8 Daenerys reminded me of.