The Rise of Skywalker spoilers thread

[Sebastian]

Thanks for reminding me of who season 8 Daenerys reminded me of.

There is a reason for Anakin to cross the line:

1) He now knows that Sidious is a powerful Sith Lord. Sidious' story about keeping people alive seems credible.
2) The aftermath of the Mace/Sidious fight seemingly confirmed every doubt Anakin ever had about the Jedi and it did appear that some sort of coup had been attempted (to say nothing of the utter lack of legal basis for the Jedi to act against Palpatine for esoteric/religious reasons) .

Remember, Anakin felt marginalized by the Jedi and was already suspicious that Mace in particular was using him to undermine Sidious. Sidious appears to confirm that thought by helping him put two and two together.

So, once Anakin does believe the Jedi are dangerous, the next logical step is to do as Palpatine asks and destroy the Jedi including the Younglings.

 

[Jack Brickman]

1) He now knows that Sidious is a powerful Sith Lord.

Yes, because it's not as if Sith lords are known for lying or being evil or anything of the sort.

Also, Palpatine is so obviously, laughably evil that it's ridiculous that no one else picks up on it.

 

[col63onel]

To take our minds off of the pending dumpster fire TROS will be, I will submit an old fashioned Star Wars internet debate.

Who wins in a straight-up fight at their respective peaks?: Post Clone Wars Darth Maul vs. Post-ROTJ (pre-garbage sequels) Luke Skywalker? @The Human Q-Tip @BMAN

vs.

Like in a landslide.

Luke resisted the pull of Vader and Palpatine at the same time. No Darhomiri magic will affect him.

 

[Sebastian]

Yes, because it's not as if Sith lords are known for lying or being evil or anything of the sort.

Also, Palpatine is so obviously, laughably evil that it's ridiculous that no one else picks up on it.

Are they though? It's been 1000 years since the Sith were out in the light. No one really knows what they are about at that point.

And, from Anakin's point of view, Palpatine has been the guy taking an interest in him, helping him, since he was a boy.

While the Jedi have been ungrateful and deceitful. They didn't even thank him for killing Dooku, something they failed at. And then they spitefully sabotage his promotion to the Council.

For being THE hero of the war, they treated him like shit.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Are they though? It's been 1000 years since the Sith were out in the light. No one really knows what they are about at that point.

And, from Anakin's point of view, Palpatine has been the guy taking an interest in him, helping him, since he was a boy.

While the Jedi have been ungrateful and deceitful. They didn't even thank him for killing Dooku, something they failed at. And then they spitefully sabotage his promotion to the Council.

For being THE hero of the war, they treated him like shit.

All I'm saying is that I find it ridiculous that anyone could talk to Palpatine and not immediately think, "This guy is into some shady shit and he sure seems to know an awful lot about the Sith." The dude was just dripping in evil. Most of that was the obscene overacting, but given that it was about the only enjoyable acting in the prequels, I'll give it a pass.

 

[Sebastian]

All I'm saying is that I find it ridiculous that anyone could talk to Palpatine and not immediately thing, "This guy is into some shady shit and he sure seems to know an awful lot about the Sith."

But after all that time, who is to say the Sith are bad?

The only thing people know about the Sith is what the Jedi tell them about the Sith.

If you're suspicious of the Jedi, it follows that what they say about their historic rivals might also be viewed with suspicion.

 

[Jack Brickman]

But after all that time, who is to say the Sith are bad?

The only thing people know about the Sith is what the Jedi tell them about the Sith.

If you're suspicious of the Jedi, it follows that what they say about their historic rivals might also be viewed with suspicion.

I think you're putting far more thought into this than Lucas did.

 

[Sebastian]

I think you're putting far more thought into this than Lucas did.

No, he specifically built a narrative of the Jedi and Anakin not trusting each other.

It is specifically mentioned that the Jedi are not as familiar with the Sith as they'd like.

It lays seeds of doubt in Anakin's mind that Palpatine uses to his advantage. It is a big part of the story.

 

[Walter White]

Am I safe to assume that The Mandalorian will be ripped and posted on streaming sites?

I think Disney Plus has a 1 week free trial.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

It was so bad that I don'√ even remember most of the scenes you guys are discussing. It was like my brain

There is a reason for Anakin to cross the line:

1) He now knows that Sidious is a powerful Sith Lord. Sidious' story about keeping people alive seems credible.
2) The aftermath of the Mace/Sidious fight seemingly confirmed every doubt Anakin ever had about the Jedi and it did appear that some sort of coup had been attempted (to say nothing of the utter lack of legal basis for the Jedi to act against Palpatine for esoteric/religious reasons) .

I don't remember the movies that well, but didn't they also believe that he also was behind the Clone Wars, etc.? Essentially, a traitor to advance his own power?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Are they though? It's been 1000 years since the Sith were out in the light. No one really knows what they are about at that point.

And, from Anakin's point of view, Palpatine has been the guy taking an interest in him, helping him, since he was a boy.

While the Jedi have been ungrateful and deceitful. They didn't even thank him for killing Dooku, something they failed at. And then they spitefully sabotage his promotion to the Council.

For being THE hero of the war, they treated him like shit.

Well, the villain always is justified if you look at it from their point of view. "I didn't get the promotion I wanted, so I'm going traitor" is a self-absorbed viewpoint that tosses morality and ethics on the scrap heap. It's why Benedict Arnold was pond scum. If you don't like how you're being treated, just quit. Don't go over to the other side.

And, the Council turned out to be absolutely right about how his immaturity coupled with this power made him so dangerous.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

To take our minds off of the pending dumpster fire TROS will be, I will submit an old fashioned Star Wars internet debate.

Who wins in a straight-up fight at their respective peaks?: Post Clone Wars Darth Maul vs. Post-ROTJ (pre-garbage sequels) Luke Skywalker?

My knowledge is limited, but Luke turned out to be a pussy who ran away to hind in a corner of the galaxy while everything else went to shit. Very likely got rusty, too. So I'm going with Darth Maul. Hell, I'd actually root for Darth Maul.

 

[SalvadoranCavsfan]

All I'm saying is that I find it ridiculous that anyone could talk to Palpatine and not immediately think, "This guy is into some shady shit and he sure seems to know an awful lot about the Sith." The dude was just dripping in evil.

WELL FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE JEDI ARE EVIL.

 

[Sebastian]

It was so bad that I don'√ even remember most of the scenes you guys are discussing. It was like my brain


I don't remember the movies that well, but didn't they also believe that he also was behind the Clone Wars, etc.? Essentially, a traitor to advance his own power?

At that point they don't really know that.

The only thing they have to go on is they know Dooku isn't the Sith Master, because he was with the Jedi when Maul surfaced, and that Dooku said the real Sith Lord is controlling the Senate.

However, they repeatedly state they don't believe Dooku because they think he must be lying.

In fact, they didn't even figure out Dooku was a Sith Lord until the last season of Clone Wars when he arrived to kill SIfo-Dyas' pilot who was a witness to Sifo-Dyas' being murdered by Dooku ten years before (what they thought about a dude with a red saber and Force Lightning I don't know, there were a few people running around with red sabers at that point).

All they know is that Anakin says Palpatine is a Sith Lord. One might infer all that, or that they finally believe what Dooku said. Either way it is more likely they just acted like a bull to red (saber).

 

[Sebastian]

Well, the villain always is justified if you look at it from their point of view. "I didn't get the promotion I wanted, so I'm going traitor"

This is Silicon Valley in a nutshell.