The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

[kookoo]

Again, people go back and watch that throne room scene.

Literally everything Daenerys was saying was The. Exact. Opposite. Of everything she said this season about Jon's heritage. Total opposite.

Just outta nowhere she's super thrilled he's Targaryen. They were born to rule together and break the wheel together. No one else's opinion matters but theirs. The fuck? The last time she spoke to him she said he betrayed her by spilling his secret. She killed Varys for spreading the word behind her back. And now...she couldn't be happier!!

I'll say it again. All of that was meant for Jaime and Cersei. That whole entire scene.

I didn't read you say it the first time and thinking about this just blew my mind...

 

[MattyFos.]

I was just kidding. I was shocked to see no posts this morning.

The site was down for a few hours.. may have something to do with that.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I didn't read you say it the first time and thinking about this just blew my mind...

Makes you wonder if destroying King's Landing is actually done by Cersei in the books too. I could definitely see D&D giving Cersei the pseudo-happy ending (she died, but after reuniting with her true love, something that I think has an absolutely zero percent chance of happening in the books) because they're in love with Lena.

 

[Rich]

Makes you wonder if destroying King's Landing is actually done by Cersei in the books too. I could definitely see D&D giving Cersei the pseudo-happy ending (she died, but after reuniting with her true love, something that I think has an absolutely zero percent chance of happening in the books) because they're in love with Lena.

I mean there's no way of knowing. They'll never admit to it, George will never say anything about it, and we'll never read ADOS (although fingers crossed she dies in TWOW god please).

So, it's whatever. But, look, they took out the Valonqar line of the prophecy for an obvious reason.

EDIT: Lol someone mentioned this but in episode 4 Jaime learns Cersei hired Bronn to kill him and by episode 5 he's running back to her, after sleeping with Brienne.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Again, people go back and watch that throne room scene.

Literally everything Daenerys was saying was The. Exact. Opposite. Of everything she said this season about Jon's heritage. Total opposite.

I'm not seeing that. Or at least, it's an overly-technical reading of what's going on.

There were two separate strands to the Danys/Jon relationship. One was his status as rival claimant, and the other was her strong romantic feelings for him. When he appeared to reject her prior to episode 6, that left only the former.

But I hardly think it is unrealistic for her to keep her hopes up, and the two of them marrying -- joining together as only incestuous Targaeryens can -- would be the most logical way to solve both of those problems. Hell, some people in these vary threads were arguing that they'd get together and rule as a pair. So why is it really so bizarre that the she ends up with that same thought? Especially since she seemed be rather clearly in a heightened emotional, manic state considering all that had just happened.

I dunno. I actually thought the whole Jon/Danaerys relationship was resolved pretty well, in no small part due to some pretty fine acting by Emilia Clarke.

 

[Rich]

“Godless? Why, Aeron, I am the godliest man ever to raise sail! You serve one god, Damphair, but I have served ten thousand. From Ib to Asshai, when men see my sails, they pray.”

That's maybe like the best I'm A Villain quote of all time.

 

[Jack Brickman]

“Godless? Why, Aeron, I am the godliest man ever to raise sail! You serve one god, Damphair, but I have served ten thousand. From Ib to Asshai, when men see my sails, they pray.”

That's maybe like the best I'm A Villain quote of all time.

I just got through the Kingsmoot in the audio book. Love that scene.

I have to say, for all the flak that Feast gets, it's a really well-written book. It's probably got the best world-building in the entire series. You get a really good look at the toll the war has taken on everyone, insight into Cersei's descent into madness, Jaime's path to redemption, and it's one of the few books that really delves into the impact all the actions of the highborn characters have had on the commoners.

The story that the septon tells Brienne where he describes how soldiers become broken men is some of the best writing in the entire series. And really, every Cersei and Jaime chapter is fantastic. The main drag is Dorne. It's fine from a world-building standpoint but it doesn't really get terribly interesting until the last fucking chapter ("fire and blood"). But I guess the problem with the fourth and fifth books in general is that they are basically all set-up for the sixth, which will presumably be the end of the second act of the series as a whole (with book three ending the first act).

 

[godfather]

I think they wanted to fulfill Jaime's wish. Dying in the arms of the woman he loves.

I hated it how it ended for Jaime. But I actually think it makes some sense.

Few things. One, Cersei is pregnant with his child. So that alone wouldn't want him to see her dead.

It's why Tyrion soften his stance on Cersei. He might not have had any love loss for her. But he cares about her children, which is why he was concern suddenly on her making it out alive.

Two, he probably wouldn't have went back if he didn't hear Sansa's remark.

And would have stayed with Brienne.

Three, I don't think he wanted Cersei to die. Why would he? I think the only thing that'd push Jaime that far, is if she killed Tyrion or Brienne. Outside her being pregnant with his baby of course.

Yeah, she put a hit on him. But he probably understands it though. In Cersei's mind what he did was treason.

I think even Jaime understood everything are bets off with Cersei, she'd probably want him dead for turning his back on her.

I still hated it because one, Jaime didn't deserve to go down with Cersei. Two, Cersei didn't deserve this kind of ending. She deserved way worse.

Really hate how Dany died a much cold blooded death, like we're supposed to believe she's the real villain, not Cersei? Again, fuck D&D.

As for Jaime I at least understand why he went back. As much as I didn't like it. I did find it within character though.

 

[BMAN]

Not going to lie, I felt bad for Drogon. Dude lost his mom and siblings. He’s all alone

 

[theSTEREO.]

“Godless? Why, Aeron, I am the godliest man ever to raise sail! You serve one god, Damphair, but I have served ten thousand. From Ib to Asshai, when men see my sails, they pray.”

That's maybe like the best I'm A Villain quote of all time.

Thanos right before the final Endgame battle gave me chills, mostly because of Brolin’s delivery. But this one is great.

 

[Rich]

Well this went unnoticed

I tell you this — if I don’t have THE WINDS OF WINTER in hand when I arrive in New Zealand for worldcon, you have here my formal written permission to imprison me in a small cabin on White Island, overlooking that lake of sulfuric acid, until I’m done. Just so long as the acrid fumes do not screw up my old DOS word processor, I’ll be fine.

There it is. The kiss of death if I've ever seen it. We're doomed!

Worldcon is July 2020 btw.

 

[Rich]

Saw an interesting theory today (old) that the Bran vision in his last ADWD chapter of some pale youth carving three arrows out of weirwood trees was meant for the three dragons. Now...that's a leap, but I guess the only thing we can take from that vision is that he's carving, specifically, three arrows.

Now, that would be pretty fucking neat. Dragonfire kills whitewalkers, but in turn, weirdwood trees make Dragons weak.

From wiki

In A Dance with Dragons, Bran Stark has several visions of the past through Winterfell's heart tree. One of these visions is of a pale, fierce, and dark-eyed young man, who slices three branches off the weirwood and shapes them into arrows.[3] It has been theorized that this may be Brandon Snow, preparing arrows to kill the three dragons of Aegon the Conqueror.

Now this would be pretty fucking cool and honestly makes a TON of sense, that the children and the three eyed crow are not fans of fire or dragons and that weirwood might be a weakness. Remember, Melisandre sees BLoodraven in the flame and immediately thinks he might be the Great Other.

Dragonfire and dragonglass kill the others, weirwood kills the dragons. I like this a lot.

 

[theSTEREO.]

Makes you wonder if destroying King's Landing is actually done by Cersei in the books too. I could definitely see D&D giving Cersei the pseudo-happy ending (she died, but after reuniting with her true love, something that I think has an absolutely zero percent chance of happening in the books) because they're in love with Lena.

I think we've discussed it in this thread, but there's a pretty good theory / speculation that Dany does indeed burn King's Landing down, but most of it is going to be wreckless collateral damage in a Dance of the Dragons with fAegon, or maybe even the same type of rage/resolution that she had in GoT (if these people aren't gonna love me and are gonna support a pretender, then to hell with them. Burn it down and start anew).

Cersei, already deposed and weak, is going to attempt to set the wildfire caches afire, and Jamie kills her in an attempt to stop her from doing the same thing he stopped Aerys from doing.

But then he watches as Dany's careless dragonfire lights the caches anyway and the whole city burns, and maybe him along with it.

So in that scenario, whether it's done by Cersei, kinda yes, kinda no.

As for show Cersei, she's totally different than book Cersei. I think Lena acutally did a great job bringing that to life. She was more human and less maniacal psycopath, so I can see why they'd consider changing her ending for the show.

 

[The Voice]

I think Emilia Clark and Kit Harrington’s lack of chemistry really was noticeable and it made it even worse. If there was better acting, then maybe it wouldn’t have looked as bad.

 

[Rich]

I do wonder if, in the end, Bran will stand opposed to Daenerys and we will be left trying to figure out who the good and bad guy is.