The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

[The Human Q-Tip]

So all Sansa says about not telling Jon about the Knights of the Vale is "I should have told you. I'm sorry."

Lord man.

Yeah -- absolutely ridiculous. A whole bunch of northerners and wildings died unnecessarily because she didn't let Jon know to wait for reinforcements.

 

[Rich]

So...no way Jon is named Aegon, right? The whole idea here is that they gave fAegon's plot to Jon, yea? The annulment and all that? Daenerys is gonna take her anger out on not being considered the legit heir in the books on fAegon.

 

[Sebastian]

Yeah -- absolutely ridiculous. A whole bunch of northerners and wildings died unnecessarily because she didn't let Jon know to wait for reinforcements.

One could make the argument that she held off knowing how dumb Jon is to ensure that Ramsey's forces were fully committed and so sure of victory that they wouldn't even bother with a screen line or pickets.

Kind of like when Bernadotte waited to launch his flank attack with 80 battalions on the French at Dennewitz until their whole army was committed against Bulow's Prussians and stacked up nicely.

And I am certain that is what the Dans were thinking!

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

One could make the argument that she held off knowing how dumb Jon is to ensure that Ramsey's forces were fully committed and so sure of victory that they wouldn't even bother with a screen line or pickets.

But that would also mean she 1) deliberately let Rickon get killed, and 2) could calculate the precise moment in a battle when troops hard-riding from 600-800 miles away would arrive at the walls of Winterfell. Half hour or so later, and Jon and all the northern troops are dead. By all rights, Jon should never have trusted her moving forward, and neither would the rest of the North when they realized how she kept that all a secret from them.

D&D did it purely for dramatic effect.

 

[Sebastian]

But that would also mean she 1) deliberately let Rickon get killed, and 2) could calculate the precise moment in a battle when troops hard-riding from 600-800 miles away would arrive at the walls of Winterfell. Half hour or so later, and Jon and all the northern troops are dead. By all rights, Jon should never have trusted her moving forward, and neither would the rest of the North when they realized how she kept that all a secret from them.

D&D did it purely for dramatic effect.

Well, she said she considered Rickon dead already so, that part is at least reasonable.

But yes, of course you are correct...

But let's remember that Sansa's reasons are too deep and schemey thanks to Littlefinger's mentoring and her love for:

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[Rich]

So rewatching the Long Night a year later, w/o being all hyped up and invested in the show and..it sucks. It's cliche all the way through. The battle tactics are so dumb as to ruin the suspension of disbelief.

And Bran. Literally being useless. The one character who was called to fight the White Walkers all the way back in s1 had shit to do. His line to Theon that was meant to be touching, upon rewatch, comes off as hysterical. 8 seasons of buildup and THATS his contribution? A Theon Redemption Line? THat's literally IT??

 

[Sebastian]

So rewatching the Long Night a year later, w/o being all hyped up and invested in the show and..it sucks. It's cliche all the way through. The battle tactics are so dumb as to ruin the suspension of disbelief.

And Bran. Literally being useless. The one character who was called to fight the White Walkers all the way back in s1 had shit to do. His line to Theon that was meant to be touching, upon rewatch, comes off as hysterical. 8 seasons of buildup and THATS his contribution? A Theon Redemption Line? THat's literally IT??

I think Hardhome is the last great episode.

Battle the Bastards is fine except the end.

 

[Rich]

I think Hardhome is the last great episode.

Battle the Bastards is fine except the end.

I think I agree.

S6 has some amazing moments. Again those first 20 minutes are my favorite of episode 10. The Hodor reveal is epic.

But for an entire episode Hardhomme was great.

And it was also the last battle that didnt come off as ridiculous. It made sense. They got jumped in a believable way.

After that youve got Military Genius Stannis laughable battle. Youve got the Battle of the zbastards, which weve discussed (and was also very cliche and predictable.)

And s7 onwards the battles either were themselves ridiculous or had to have ridiculous things happen to make sense. Eurons invisible, teleporting fleet. The wight hunt of stupidity. The battle at Kings Landing, where, one episode later, Eurons scorpions are a total and complete non-factor.

The field of fire was decent but even then as I was watching I was wondering 1) how did Dang go from the beach to somewhere in the crownlands, with her entire dothraki hoard, in the span of half of an episode? And 2) why is she burning the loot train?

But maybe that's nitpicky.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I think Hardhome is the last great episode.

Battle the Bastards is fine except the end.

I enjoyed Dany's raid on the Lannister supply chain too. That was a fun battle.

Really there was a lot of nice visual spectacle the last couple of seasons. Problem was that none of the story or battle tactics made a whole lot of sense.

 

[Sebastian]

I enjoyed Dany's raid on the Lannister supply chain too. That was a fun battle.

Really there was a lot of nice visual spectacle the last couple of seasons. Problem was that none of the story or battle tactics made a whole lot of sense.

What?

Didn't you know 20 good men defeated Napoleon?

Very realistic.

 

[Rich]

What?

Didn't you know 20 good men defeated Napoleon?

Very realistic.

I totally missed/didn't care about that line at first.

It's actually one of the worst of the entire show, until basically the last 3 episodes.

Lol Stannis, the brilliant commander, gets ALL OF HIS SIEGE WEAPONS DESTROYED by TWENTY MEN and NO ONE SEES OR CATCHES ANY OF THEM.

My. God.

Now I gotta talk about the last 3 episodes that we just finished.

Daenerys interactions with Jon, from the end of episode 2 and onward were about how he needed to keep his secret. How it would ruin them. Ruin her.

Then, Tyrion and Varys and Sansa and everyone else keep telling Jon that he'll never be safe from her.

And then, in their final scene together, THEY THROW ALL OF THAT OUT THE WINDOW. Out of fucking NOWHERE she's all "we were meant to rule together!!!!!!!!IM SO HAPPY!"

Literally, from absolutely out of the fucking blue.

I maintain they initially planned for those lines to be read by Cersei to Jaime. It's so out of left field from the rest of the season as to seem almost dream like.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

Time for jail.

 

[Man Called X]

Time for jail.

Told you all this fucker is never finishing the books. Wasn't he supposed to be locked away in a cabin writing during this pandemic?

 

[Jack Brickman]

Told you all this fucker is never finishing the books. Wasn't he supposed to be locked away in a cabin writing during this pandemic?

I think he is, but obviously he's not writing very fast.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

This is your reminder that, despite all of the bullshit that came with Season 8, Ramin Djawadi is a fucking brilliant composer and created one of the best soundtracks of all time.