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The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

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Hey you know what BryndenBFish has been going around on twitter the last few days saying he's heard two possible dates and that he thinks it'll be released this year. So, there's that.

He's also heard about a major plot point, a major character death and some other various things he's fairly mum about.

Major character death would be fun to speculate happening in Book 6. If we take "major" to mean a POV character, then that makes it even more fun. Cersei, to me, seems like the fairly obvious choice, dying near the end of book 6.
 
From BryndenBFish

From what I understand, he's been up in his mountain cabin for months (since the Fall) working on The Winds of Winter.
“After his convention tours and media appearance in summer/fall 2019, GRRM came back to Santa Fe.
“And [he] sequestered himself up in his cabin with one writing assistant.”
 
Rich said:
From BryndenBFish

From what I understand, he's been up in his mountain cabin for months (since the Fall) working on The Winds of Winter.
“After his convention tours and media appearance in summer/fall 2019, GRRM came back to Santa Fe.
“And [he] sequestered himself up in his cabin with one writing assistant.”
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Good to know ...
 
I was looking at cameos in case I wanted to get one for my daughter's birthday today. I found it funny that the actor who played Ser Meryn Trant was on there.

I could have pervy knight wish my 8-year old a happy birthday.
 
So my girlfriend has never watched the show and we're making our way through it.

Dany's HoTU scene is so underwhelming. But even so, it still shows the initial idea. The Ruined Throne Room AND THEN she turns North. Not the other way around. Anyway..

It got me started on reading a bunch of metas and essays, particularly as it relates to Euron and it led me to this website.

lucifermeanslightbringer.com

lucifermeanslightbringer

The Mythical Astronomy of Ice and Fire
lucifermeanslightbringer.com lucifermeanslightbringer.com

It's a series of essays that I just started reading and the premise is essentially in the name of the website. The Azor Ahai/Lightbringer story is not a good one. It signals the end of the world, not its saving. And while I haven't gotten to that part of the essays, I find the idea plausible if for no other reason than literally every single thing Melisandre thinks she knows is wrong. While there's always some kernel of truth to it, she generally misses the point to create her own version of the truth.

And she's the one who pushes the Azor Ahai story more than anyone.

EDIT: And let's just listen to the story. Azor Ahai kills his own wife, performs some type of blood magic, and that in turn allows him to "end the long night." Now, while that's quite vague, does that SEEM like a heroic story of victory? Or....something that's been a little twisted, a little misunderstood, and it's true meaning lost to time? Particularly when the story keeps being retold by the most unreliable narrator in the series.
 
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Re-reading various parts and I just figured out why The Alchemist (probably Jaqen) kills Pate in the Prologue of AFFC. He asked Pate to steal something for him. Totally missed that before (admittedly its been a long time and I was rushing through AFFC).

Just thought he killed Pate to simply be Pate for some purpose.

EDIT: And reading some pretty compelling stuff that the kid who works with Marwyn, Leo Tyrell, was purposefully trying to get Pate alone so the Alchemist/Jaqen/Faceless Man could get to him.

Now, whether he is working with the Faceless Men or Marwyn is and he's doing Marwyn's bidding is more up in the air. But I'm pretty interested in pursuing a Marwyn/Faceless Man plot.
 
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Rich said:
Re-reading various parts and I just figured out why The Alchemist (probably Jaqen) kills Pate in the Prologue of AFFC. He asked Pate to steal something for him. Totally missed that before (admittedly its been a long time and I was rushing through AFFC).

Just thought he killed Pate to simply be Pate for some purpose.

EDIT: And reading some pretty compelling stuff that the kid who works with Marwyn, Leo Tyrell, was purposefully trying to get Pate alone so the Alchemist/Jaqen/Faceless Man could get to him.

Now, whether he is working with the Faceless Men or Marwyn is and he's doing Marwyn's bidding is more up in the air. But I'm pretty interested in pursuing a Marwyn/Faceless Man plot.
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Yeah Pate stole a key for him, right?
 
Jack Brickman said:
Yeah Pate stole a key for him, right?
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Yes. It was a key that is given to archmaesters that opens all the doors.

I'm gonna start a read tonight of all Citadel relates chapters in the book as well as all Euron relates chapters.

I totally, totally missed some serious shit in AFFC. Particularly as it relates the Glass Candles.

I'm no longer sure that Marwyn is particularly "good."

Why does George go out of the way in AGOT to tell us that the blood magician, Mirri Maz Durr was taught about human anatomy by...Marwyn?

Why does he tell us two books later that the only motherfucking guy at the Citadel who thought Qyburns research was just fine was...Marwyn.

And then you read the prologue of AFFc and it sure Seems like Marwyns apprentice, Leo Tyrell, is purposefully trying to get Pate alone so he can meet with the Alchemist/Jaqen.

But..the glass candles. I totally, totally missed this bit.

The sorcerers of the Freehold could see across mountains, seas, and deserts with one of these glass candles. They could enter a man's dreams and give him visions, and speak to one another half a world apart, seated before their candles. Do you think that might be useful, Slayer? (Samwell AFFC)
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Oh...they can give a man visions and enter dreams huh? Well well well.

All these random Targaryens who thought they could do some sorta spell and bring dragons back to the world because of dreams/visions and ended up roasting themselves alive/dying before they could (The Mad King)...and here is Marwyn, a man who spent a good decade traveling from one corner of the world to the other. Training with Shadowbinders and Sorcerors. The one man at the Citadel who has his Valyrian Steel forged link because has studied the "Higher Mysteries." And the man who believes this

Old powers awaken. Shadows stir. An age of wonder and terror will soon be upon us, an age for gods and heroes.[1]
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And, most importantly, this learned man who has studied the dark arts across the world and back is in possession of one of these candles and it's burning.

Is this where the fire priests get their visions in the flames from? Is this where the voice Varys heard in the flames comes from?

It sets up a very neat parallel between the ice and Weirwood magic and the fire and their candle/dragon magic.
 
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