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kidduck said:

Nuggets offering Peyton Watson four-year, $70 million contract with team option​

Aug. 12, 2026, 11:52 AM PDT
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Which means you can assume we and the other teams vying for him are offering more.

Nuggets might want to force him into the qualifying offer, but that comes with the huge risk of a player on the QO has the ability to veto any trade they don't like during the season. Which massively lowers their ability to control what type of return package they'd get for him in a mid season trade.

Problem for the Cavs is that the deadline for accepting the QO is October 1.

Nuggets might feel like they can wait that out before making a final decision on what to do with Watson (or Johnson if they reach a long term deal with Watson)

But Kuminga and Harden ain't waiting until October 1
 
Smooth said:
Think the reporting was sensationalized, or I guess aggregation was, but do you think Harden would like some certainty coming up especially if the Cavs aren’t going to make the type of moves that are holding him off from signing.
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While I'm sure he wants some certainty, he's also been in the league forever, I don't think he's really worried whether he has value or not or worried about a couple months here and there. Or at least it's hard for me to believe he is that jumpy about this stuff. Not like a 2nd contract which dictates so much of your career going forward. He knows this probably his last good pay day (contract)
 
MirORich said:
Which means you can assume we and the other teams vying for him are offering more.

Nuggets might want to force him into the qualifying offer, but that comes with the huge risk of a player on the QO has the ability to veto any trade they don't like during the season. Which massively lowers their ability to control what type of return package they'd get for him in a mid season trade.

Problem for the Cavs is that the deadline for accepting the QO is October 1.

Nuggets might feel like they can wait that out before making a final decision on what to do with Watson (or Johnson if they reach a long term deal with Watson)

But Kuminga and Harden ain't waiting until October 1
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so that's 17.5 per year. If we are offering more, we are surely looking at 18-20 per year minimum. Where does that money come from? Denver is in as big, or bigger, "win now" mode as we are. They aren't trading for a lesser player unless it comes with valuable picks (they aren't taking Strus or Dennis without sweetener). And there is the pure economics of this. If Watson gets 20, and we are assuming Harden is getting 30, we'd be looking at a starting lineup of DM - 50, Evan - 50, Harden - 30, Watson - 20, Allen - 28. $178,000,000 in the starters alone. And, assuming Watson and Harden are getting multi-year deals at similar numbers, next year we'd be locked in to that going up to $201,000,000.
 
Dr No said:
so that's 17.5 per year. If we are offering more, we are surely looking at 18-20 per year minimum. Where does that money come from? Denver is in as big, or bigger, "win now" mode as we are. They aren't trading for a lesser player unless it comes with valuable picks (they aren't taking Strus or Dennis without sweetener). And there is the pure economics of this. If Watson gets 20, and we are assuming Harden is getting 30, we'd be looking at a starting lineup of DM - 50, Evan - 50, Harden - 30, Watson - 20, Allen - 28. $178,000,000 in the starters alone. And, assuming Watson and Harden are getting multi-year deals at similar numbers, next year we'd be locked in to that going up to $201,000,000.
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Correct; DEN would not take in Strus and/or Schroeder salary.
Other teams would.
But likely, our contract offer to Watson wouldn't be astronomically higher than DEN's, just higher enough that Watson prefers it to staying in DEN(if Watson even wants to stay there at all)
 
Lee said:
Not quite the same.

Dame was an older brought in to be the 2nd best player behind Giannis, Watson or Kuminga are young players who most likely will be the 4th best player behind Mitchell, Mobley and Harden.

In this case, Dame is Harden, not Watson or Kuminga.
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I think the Dame signing was a must for the Bucks. Giannis wanted it and there were reasonable thoughts it would improve the team.

Stretch waiving Dame and then signing Turner were two very foolish moves. Once Dame was injured Milwaukee should have traded Giannis and reset by allowing Dame's contract to expire over its remaining life. The rebuild would have started earlier with more cap space earlier and more assets.
 
Denver played it very well. Good deal for them and Watson will undoubtedly accept. Good off-season Cavs!
 
CavsKermit said:
The Cavs made their bed with Harden and will have to lie in it, but I think people need show their work relative to Harden's actual market after the Knicks series when talking about him taking a pay cut.
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There’s no market by design, so I’m not sure that isn’t just a snipe hunt question.

he will be productive and available and he activates the bigs and he shot 40%+ from 3 in the playoffs. He and Allen are a viable offense by themselves surrounded by anyone.

there are questions but there’s not a lot of work to show at $30m. Comps would be nice but there’s a load of valuable production even in the absence of a market.
 
Hey, this is a Safari thread. Who cares what the Nuggets offered? While on Safari, we honor names like Mike Bibby, Amare Stoudemire, and LeBron James by refusing to read any negative tea leaves. We don't back down until the ink on a contract with another team is dry. Strap on that Swedish penis pump and get swole, boys! Watson can still be ours until he isn't!
 
MirORich said:
Huh?
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I'm projecting. He would be a fool to play on QO as he could also get injured like sexton, not play much and get a 3 yr 45 mil offer next season. Are the current market offers that much better? He might get 4/80 from somewhere but not too too much better than what Denver is offering. He almost has to take that deal. No way cavs are throwing him 22M/ and resigning Harden to 30M and no way Denver takes back just Strus. If we do the 1st we get the deal done but our cupboard would be bare and we'll have no ammo left. Are we also giving up a 2nd rounder to shed Dennis?
 
Business and well being decision...

Yous goes nowheres Watson yous undastuns ???
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