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RGIII supplanted as a starter in Washington, so the question needs to be asked. Would you trade for RGIII? If so, at what cost? He's due a lot of money the next two years and obviously has quite an injury history.

There's always a possibility that Washington decides to just release him as well. Would you give up a 5th-7th round pick for him given our history at the QB position? The answer is probably no given his salary, but just thought it'd be interesting to see others opinions on this.
 

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RGIII supplanted as a starter in Washington, so the question needs to be asked. Would you trade for RGIII? If so, at what cost? He's due a lot of money the next two years and obviously has quite an injury history.

There's always a possibility that Washington decides to just release him as well. Would you give up a 5th-7th round pick for him given our history at the QB position? The answer is probably no given his salary, but just thought it'd be interesting to see others opinions on this.
From all reports (and as always, consider the sources) RG3 is toxic. We've got a lot of good vets in the locker and a helluva offense line that could keep him standing up. For a late pick or two I'd take a gamble on him. If he pans out we're looking at potential contention for the next 5-10 years.
 

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I want to go grave-dig the jokes made about how dumb the Browns are for not trading 3 firsts and a second round pick for RG3.
 

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I want to go grave-dig the jokes made about how dumb the Browns are for not trading 3 firsts and a second round pick for RG3.

You say this now but hindsight is 20/20. RG3 didn't look half bad until he got injured and then for some reason got scared of being hit

I mean the kid won the ORoY, made the pro bowl in his rookie season and set some records for rookie QB's.

Taking that into account it is understandable that people would be annoyed the team passed on a player that looked like they would have been worth that price after his rookie year. I wasn't one of those people but acting like they were idiots for having that opinion at that time given his rookie year performance and what was known about him is disingenuous as fuck. Even more so when you consider that the Browns took Richardson, Weeden, Schwartz and Mingo with the 4 picks that would have been included (2 not here, 1 under-performing and one average pick)

I will say the whole situation with RG3 Just seems really odd with a lot of variables and behind the scenes things that are coming into play. Many of which I don't think we'll ever hear about. Not sure the Redskins as an organization have done much to help resolve or correct the issue though.

Can't really say RG3 has helped himself either, lots of accountability needs to be taken by both sides which isn't going to happen imo after reading articles like this yesterday.

The coaching staff doesn't seem to want him there so if the price is cheap it doesn't hurt to take a chance. I can see the Jets, Patriots and Bronco's looking at it for different reasons, some being age of current players and some lacking talent at the position.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...front-office-coaches-want-to-move-on-from-rg3

Report: Redskins' coaches want to cut ties with RG3, ownership resists
By Sean Wagner-McGough | Staff Writer

August 30, 2015 5:03 pm E

This Robert Griffin III mess isn't going away.

According to ESPN's Dianna Russini and Adam Schefter, the Redskins' coaches and front office want to part ways with RG3, but team ownership is resisting that move. ESPN alsoreports that the Redskins have floated the idea of trading RG3 with teams around the league, but the idea has been met with zero interest.

ESPN cited "team and league sources" in its report.

The mess began with Griffin's concussion during the Redskins' second preseason game. Following the diagnosis, confusion set in, as the team said Griffin was cleared to play in the team's third preseason game, but then it turned out that Griffin wasn't actually cleared by doctors. Eventually, Griffin sat out the game against the Ravens on Saturday night.

In his place, Kirk Cousins got the start and played pretty darn well, adding fuel to the report that said Cousins could start over Griffin in the regular season opener. After the game, coach Jay Gruden and Cousins denied that Cousins was being handed the starting job.

On Saturday night, CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora sorted out the Redskins mess.

According to ESPN's latest report, even if ownership forces the team to hang on to Griffin, the team is "determined to start a different quarterback than Griffin."

Fun first year on the job for general manager Scot McCloughan, huh?
 

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You say this now but hindsight is 20/20. RG3 didn't look half bad until he got injured and then for some reason got scared of being hit

It's a statement on understanding that we just don't know everything... If people were okay being boisterous at the time, saying RG3 is a complete stud who will be great, I don't have an issue with pointing out that they were wrong. If you don't want this, don't act like you know it all and keep it civil around here.

Taking that into account it is understandable that people would be annoyed the team passed on a player that looked like they would have been worth that price after his rookie year. I wasn't one of those people but acting like they were idiots for having that opinion at that time given his rookie year performance and what was known about him is disingenuous as fuck. Even more so when you consider that the Browns took Richardson, Weeden, Schwartz and Mingo with the 4 picks that would have been included (2 not here, 1 under-performing and one average pick)

Condemn it all you want. People were acting all hard killing the Browns at the time and talking down to posters who were less than enthused about selling the farm for a prospect. Again, it's about looking in the mirror and realizing that you, in fact, don't know it all. Also, that reluctance to make such a move isn't indicative of how "clueless" the Browns are. Promotion of a Civil Browns discussion. Gets exhausting sifting through tired cheap shots at the franchise in here.
 

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It's a statement on understanding that we just don't know everything... If people were okay being boisterous at the time, saying RG3 is a complete stud who will be great, I don't have an issue with pointing out that they were wrong. If you don't want this, don't act like you know it all and keep it civil around here.



Condemn it all you want. People were acting all hard killing the Browns at the time and talking down to posters who were less than enthused about selling the farm for a prospect. Again, it's about looking in the mirror and realizing that you, in fact, don't know it all. Promotion of a Civil Browns discussion.

Nothing in your post promotes civil discussion.

Making a comment with intentions on grave digging posts that are 2+ years old to rub egg on the face of other posters does not promote civil discussion

So you should probably keep the "I told you so" boner you want to whip out and show everyone in your pants, if you are about promoting civil discussion as you're claiming that should be pretty easy for you..

That's all I'm saying.
 
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The question is, would you trade Manziel for RG3 straight up?
 
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Yes

The better question is, would Washington?

RG3 is on a pretty horrid contract all things considered, I think they'd do it in a heartbeat.

But why trade for him when he's likely going to be cut by the end of the week? Pick him up and make him compete with Manziel for the #2 spot. Either way, we're still probably drafting a QB next year.
 

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RG3 is on a pretty horrid contract all things considered, I think they'd do it in a heartbeat.

But why trade for him when he's likely going to be cut by the end of the week? Pick him up and make him compete with Manziel for the #2 spot. Either way, we're still probably drafting a QB next year.

I think they should keep him or try to get what they can out of him.

I also think we should trade for him so @Randolphkeys will be OK with McCown's pay as a potential back-up QB and not a starter.

I'm not sure what's going on with RGIII.....I'm somewhat perplexed.
 

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I think they should keep him or try to get what they can out of him.

I also think we should trade for him so @Randolphkeys will be OK with McCown's pay as a potential back-up QB and not a starter.

I'm not sure what's going on with RGIII.....I'm somewhat perplexed.

I think it's as simple as he is, at best, marginally better than his young backup. Yet he doesn't take direction well from the coaching staff, doesn't take responsibility openly for issues on the field, and acts entitled to his job. In short, Gruden sees him as a headache who could potentially undermine his credibility, and wants him off the roster.

Meanwhile, an owner who is always too hands on wanted RG3 bad, and gave up a treasure chest of assets to get him. As a result he's coddled him and refuses to part with him, knowing it will be another black mark on his tenure as an owner.

Who wins? Usually I'd say owner, but reports are out that the FO wants RG3 out as well, and his concussion gives them a unique chance to cut him and save some money before the season begins. All things considered, keeping a 2nd string QB on the roster against the wishes of the coaching staff and FO would take Dan Snyder at his Dan Snyderest, which isn't really that far fetched.

If RG3 stays on that roster and doesn't perform to the lofty expectations of his draft stock, the coach and GM are likely out of a job in the next year unless the team suddenly becomes good. It's hard to see them rolling over for Snyder on this one.
 

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Just like the rest of our QB's, RG3 would be a waste of time.

Pass.
 

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I want to go grave-dig the jokes made about how dumb the Browns are for not trading 3 firsts and a second round pick for RG3.

I was in the camp that thought we should take the chance

To be fair, he was awesome his first year and they just ruined him in Washington. To be more fair, there is nothing about the Browns organization that says we wouldn't have ruined him too. But if he was drafted into the right situation, he might have developed into a much better qb.

RG3 is the poster child for what not to do with a running qb and his development.
 

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I was in the camp that thought we should take the chance

To be fair, he was awesome his first year and they just ruined him in Washington. To be more fair, there is nothing about the Browns organization that says we wouldn't have ruined him too. But if he was drafted into the right situation, he might have developed into a much better qb.

RG3 is the poster child for what not to do with a running qb and his development.

I certainly don't disagree with the sentiment. My original post wasn't about owning up to wanting to take the chance, I think I may have even thought it might be worthwhile at the time.

It's about posters declaring him a HOFer and killing the Browns before ever seeing him play in the NFL.
 

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