The Rise of Skywalker spoilers thread

[Rich]

Ithink the major issue ultimately was they tried to cater to the older generation by bringing back the fan faves and I'm not so sure the older generation who grew up with STar Wars really wanted that or required that.

 

[BMAN]

Ithink the major issue ultimately was they tried to cater to the older generation by bringing back the fan faves and I'm not so sure the older generation who grew up with STar Wars really wanted that or required that.

The problem was they butchered those characters and the stories. I had no problem that they brought back the original cast.

 

[-Akronite-]

I’m not on the same page as most when it comes to TLJ, but agree with the sentiment that the trilogy is somewhat disjointed. The people at the top had enough oversight that they could have connected things better, but chose not to.

I mean, Kennedy and Abrams were probably on board with everything in TLJ or they would have done something about it. But they were clearly shaken by the backlash, otherwise why sideline Rose, for instance?

TFA was a blatant retelling of A New Hope and that hampered the whole thing IMO. You jump 30 years after ROTJ and make the original trilogy seem completely inconsequential out of the gate. Terrible decision. So the Jedi are more of a myth than in ANH? The Rebels/Resistance are even bigger underdogs to the Empire/First Order? Resetting everything made it tough to tell a new story. And Johnson did a valiant job IMO (I’m well aware of the disagreements, though that isn’t revenant to the larger point). But this new movie dives back into the trope machine til the movie is over.

Still liked all three but wasn’t thrilled by the sequel trilogy. This one is easily the most flawed, rushed, sloppy of the bunch. And while you have to accept it for the movie to work, every bit of the Palpatine stuff (him being there, retconning Rey’s family, the ridiculous fleet) was stupid.

 

[Pioneer10]

Why are we supposed to care about Poe and Finn? Zero character development.
Finn had potential as an ex-storm trooper but they had to make him force sensitive or whatever. Make him go full reactionary (ala French Revolution) and then have his friends pull him back would have been a far better story

Poe who the hell knows went from ace fighter pilot, to hot head, to ex-scoundrel. Maverick from Top Gun in a Tie Fighter could have been fun but not this way

Blah Rey was the only interesting character and they retconned her into bad version of Luke

 

[Sebastian]

I must say the only great thing about the film is seeing Palps again.

He is truly a delight.

 

[brownindian]

So The Rise of the Skywalker is not a thread about viagra ? Ok then, i am out!

 

[Sebastian]

Also, also, the light saber battles were terrible in this trilogy.

Basically, the Sequel Trilogy is the Holy Roman Empire of film.

A pale imitation of the original created by heirs of a legacy that they didn't fully understand. Children playing at adults. @jking948 @The Human Q-Tip

 

[Jack Brickman]

I must say the only great thing about the film is seeing Palps again.

He is truly a delight.

He was about the only good thing from the prequels too, because the actor just didn't give a fuck and went for it in damn near every scene.

 

[Sebastian]

He was about the only good thing from the prequels too, because the actor just didn't give a fuck and went for it in damn near every scene.

Ian McDiarmid is fantastic.

It is a very rare thing for an actor to be able to play his character at different ages across 36 years.

He played the Emperor in his 80s/90s when he was in his 30s, and then Chancellor Palpatine in his 50s when Ian was in his 60s.

The British actors in the Prequels seemed more at ease with all the bluescreen, perhaps due to the stage training. McDiarmid has a Tony Award.

ronically, Lucas was criticized for making actors work with all blue screen and now it is standard practice.

 

[Rich]

I've been debating with a friend what the worst movie of the franchise is. Phantom Menace was my pick and his was TLJ.

I almost changed my mind, because that scene at the end where Rose Tico fucking wrecks her autocraft into Finn to keep Finn from blowing up the First Order leadership was one of the most cringe scenes in film history, followed by one of the most cringe lines about how Love Will Win! Wew.

 

[Ohio]

TLJ is unwatchable. I can't think of one positive that came from that movie.

Phantom Menace at least had Darth Maul and pod racing.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I've been debating with a friend what the worst movie of the franchise is. Phantom Menace was my pick and his was TLJ.

I almost changed my mind, because that scene at the end where Rose Tico fucking wrecks her autocraft into Finn to keep Finn from blowing up the First Order leadership was one of the most cringe scenes in film history, followed by one of the most cringe lines about how Love Will Win! Wew.

To me it's about a tie between the three prequels and the first two from the new trilogy. The new ones are less obnoxious because at least they are well acted and the CGI mostly doesn't look like dog shit, but creatively they are just as bad if not worse.

Haven't seen the new movie so can't rank it yet.

 

[Sebastian]

To me it's about a tie between the three prequels and the first two from the new trilogy. The new ones are less obnoxious because at least they are well acted and the CGI mostly doesn't look like dog shit, but creatively they are just as bad if not worse.

Haven't seen the new movie so can't rank it yet.

I have to say that while the Prequels did not live up to the originals, they added so much to the mythos and enriched that universe immensely.

Many of the things we take for granted as part of the lore, like Palpatine's name for example, came from the Prequels. We got to see the Clone Wars and it was pretty well done in the films (the better parts of those films were when they did not focus on the main characters) and especially the series.

I am not sure what if anything the Sequels really add to the mythos. It is a retread of the originals and vastly inferior in execution and especially imagination.

 

[prf100]

As a casual Star Wars fan, I found the sequels enjoyable. They make these movies for people like me. Which are most people.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I have to say that while the Prequels did not live up to the originals, they added so much to the mythos and enriched that universe immensely.

Many of the things we take for granted as part of the lore, like Palpatine's name for example, came from the Prequels. We got to see the Clone Wars and it was pretty well done in the films (the better parts of those films were when they did not focus on the main characters) and especially the series.

The prequels at least had the virtue of telling a new story. Abrams had to pull the Emperor from his sphincter to salvage some drama for the regurgitated mess of the final trilogy. And it's not like Abrams planted the seed of the Emperor's return in the first movie for which he also was responsible.

I am not sure what if anything the Sequels really add to the mythos.

That's easy - they added the ability of Jedi to fly though space. What would we have done without knowing that?!?!