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A few thoughts...
1) If you look for bulk innings out of a starter, we have several at the moment that don't fit. We are not gonna get bulk innings out of Morris or Cantillo, because it is unlikely that they can hold up. They never have, so why expect different?
2) We look at pitchers as 5th starters or swing men, but at the same time look at them as significant parts of major trades. If a kid like Pilkington doesn't move the needle for us, why would he for somebody else?
3) We assume that the pitching factory will provide young arms that instantly hit the ground running when the get to Cleveland, because of Bieber, Civale, Plesac, and Clevinger...but it doesn't usually work like that. The first three especially shot thru the system, but all three carried heavy loads in their second professional year, didn't have any health set backs, and didn't walk many batters.
The group we have had over the last two seasons, and this year, can't say that. We don't have anybody yet as prepared as those three were.
4) The problem with Civale is health, not effectiveness. When totally healthy, he has been very solid...at the high end of MOR, not a 4th-5th starter. Nobody seems to care about wins for a pitcher anymore, but the team is 36-27 in games he has started...which means he has been able to keep a fairly low scoring team in games long enough for the team to win 57% of the time. If every SP was able to do that, we'd win 93 games a year.
Considering that Civale is our #4, that's pretty darned good. Not many teams can win 57% of their games behind a #4.
In the off season before 2021 Civale completely revamped his delivery on his own on a suggestion from Niebla. Civale went 10-2 and on his way to possibly starting the All Star game, before he hurt his finger. People forget how good he was.
Now, everybody should know how little I think of injury prone players, esp pitchers...and Civale is no different. But if he has a healthy year, it is possible...maybe even likely...that he is the biggest improvement for this team in 2023.
And, as a side note, he has been healthier than Morris, Cantillo, and Espino...kids who many expect to step right into the rotation at some point this year.
1) If you look for bulk innings out of a starter, we have several at the moment that don't fit. We are not gonna get bulk innings out of Morris or Cantillo, because it is unlikely that they can hold up. They never have, so why expect different?
2) We look at pitchers as 5th starters or swing men, but at the same time look at them as significant parts of major trades. If a kid like Pilkington doesn't move the needle for us, why would he for somebody else?
3) We assume that the pitching factory will provide young arms that instantly hit the ground running when the get to Cleveland, because of Bieber, Civale, Plesac, and Clevinger...but it doesn't usually work like that. The first three especially shot thru the system, but all three carried heavy loads in their second professional year, didn't have any health set backs, and didn't walk many batters.
The group we have had over the last two seasons, and this year, can't say that. We don't have anybody yet as prepared as those three were.
4) The problem with Civale is health, not effectiveness. When totally healthy, he has been very solid...at the high end of MOR, not a 4th-5th starter. Nobody seems to care about wins for a pitcher anymore, but the team is 36-27 in games he has started...which means he has been able to keep a fairly low scoring team in games long enough for the team to win 57% of the time. If every SP was able to do that, we'd win 93 games a year.
Considering that Civale is our #4, that's pretty darned good. Not many teams can win 57% of their games behind a #4.
In the off season before 2021 Civale completely revamped his delivery on his own on a suggestion from Niebla. Civale went 10-2 and on his way to possibly starting the All Star game, before he hurt his finger. People forget how good he was.
Now, everybody should know how little I think of injury prone players, esp pitchers...and Civale is no different. But if he has a healthy year, it is possible...maybe even likely...that he is the biggest improvement for this team in 2023.
And, as a side note, he has been healthier than Morris, Cantillo, and Espino...kids who many expect to step right into the rotation at some point this year.
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Yep, and he was pretty good last year except for April, when the short spring training meant that he wasn't ready when the season started. His first 24.2 innings over six starts he allowed 27 earned runs. After his first six starts his ERA was 3.24 the rest of the season, despite the injuries.
A healthy season out of Civale would be a huge boost since the G's only got 17 quality starts out of their #4 and #5 starters combined last year.