As much as I like both players, I think for us to be serious contenders, one of them is probably going to have to go. My choice to get shipped out is Sexton. My reasons are twofold: 1. He projects a larger return and 2. We could theoretically take anyone back and pair them with Garland, but to pair with Sexton we’d likely want to take back a point forward or taller point guard, which aren’t easy to come by. Not sure if my take is flawed, just trying to open a discussion if anyone want to have one.
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Trading Collin Sexton or Darius Garland
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Trading Sexton will help us become serious contenders, eh?
Rubbish.
Rubbish.
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Trade both.
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There is plenty of more time to let the individual players and the collective team develop before making a decision like this.
Sexton could be extended this summer. The new big money wouldn’t kick in until the 2022-2023 season(his 5th in the league) They could also just let him play out next season and then make a decision to extend him in the summer of 2022 when he will be a RFA(after his 4th season)
Garland, can be evaluated for another 1.67 to 2.67 seasons before they need to make a call on his long term future/contract here. In Garland, you are talking about a player who after only playing 5 college games has still not yet played the 82 games that most players play in their rookie seasons.
We’re fans, it’s our right to have opinions and make projection but I would just like to suggest that there is still a pretty decent amount of time to let things develop before having to make a final call on if they are both here long term or if they should be split up.
Sexton could be extended this summer. The new big money wouldn’t kick in until the 2022-2023 season(his 5th in the league) They could also just let him play out next season and then make a decision to extend him in the summer of 2022 when he will be a RFA(after his 4th season)
Garland, can be evaluated for another 1.67 to 2.67 seasons before they need to make a call on his long term future/contract here. In Garland, you are talking about a player who after only playing 5 college games has still not yet played the 82 games that most players play in their rookie seasons.
We’re fans, it’s our right to have opinions and make projection but I would just like to suggest that there is still a pretty decent amount of time to let things develop before having to make a final call on if they are both here long term or if they should be split up.
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I think any talk of trading them is way too premature. Young guards are the slowest to develop and we owe them some more time. Even if push comes to shove, I am not yet convinced we have to trade one of them. You can win a championship with two small guards provided they arent traffic cones on D (think lowry/fvv) which these two may not be.
I think they're both good players, I just don't think they're best suited playing together. I mean, to me I kind of think that there is enough information, more so with Sexton than Garland, that shows me a couple of things that can be fixed by breaking up SexLand:
1. Their offensive games are similar enough to each others right now(scoring predicated on getting in the paint, good 3point shooters, but don't take many) where if the defense keys in on one thing, it basically neutralizes both guys at once and neither seem to adjust. At least with Dame and CJ which seems to be everyone's best case scenario for our guys, they play different. Dame is either chucking 3's or scoring at the rim. CJ takes a decent amount of 3's and spreads out the rest of his shot pretty evenly across the floor.
2. In my opinion, Okoro will have better success and might develop more playing the 2, both offensively and defensively(I think he's currently doing great on defense FWIW) and moving one of Sexton and Garland allows him to slide into the 2 spot.
I'm aware that not everyone can be had via trade and a lot of teams may not want either Sexton or Garland for whatever reason, but I thought this trade was at least realistic. Anyway here's Wonderwall
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y37npn7c
If you don't feel like clicking the link it's Sexton and Prince for Jerami Grant
1. Their offensive games are similar enough to each others right now(scoring predicated on getting in the paint, good 3point shooters, but don't take many) where if the defense keys in on one thing, it basically neutralizes both guys at once and neither seem to adjust. At least with Dame and CJ which seems to be everyone's best case scenario for our guys, they play different. Dame is either chucking 3's or scoring at the rim. CJ takes a decent amount of 3's and spreads out the rest of his shot pretty evenly across the floor.
2. In my opinion, Okoro will have better success and might develop more playing the 2, both offensively and defensively(I think he's currently doing great on defense FWIW) and moving one of Sexton and Garland allows him to slide into the 2 spot.
I'm aware that not everyone can be had via trade and a lot of teams may not want either Sexton or Garland for whatever reason, but I thought this trade was at least realistic. Anyway here's Wonderwall
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y37npn7c
If you don't feel like clicking the link it's Sexton and Prince for Jerami Grant
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Lets ride it out without trading either for this year.
I think we get a top 5 pick this coming draft and hopefully if Altman doesn't
draft another guard we can see what the deficiencies might be in our roster
and move Sexton or Garland to balance the roster better.
I think we get a top 5 pick this coming draft and hopefully if Altman doesn't
draft another guard we can see what the deficiencies might be in our roster
and move Sexton or Garland to balance the roster better.
neither one is yielding the org any decent pick or player as is despite both showing significant strides since being drafted.
This is a long process neither of which should include trading any recent lottery picked player without getting a significant upgrade as opposed to a better fit. It is too soon to be drafting for or trading for players to fit around anyone on the current roster because they simply do not have the kind of player you typically try to build around yet. They really need to draft well this time around because although the Sexland experiment is not dead , the sand is running out waiting on garland to become that scoring threat he needs to be for them to continue the same back court pairing. His playmaking is solid but everything else is below league avg.
This is a long process neither of which should include trading any recent lottery picked player without getting a significant upgrade as opposed to a better fit. It is too soon to be drafting for or trading for players to fit around anyone on the current roster because they simply do not have the kind of player you typically try to build around yet. They really need to draft well this time around because although the Sexland experiment is not dead , the sand is running out waiting on garland to become that scoring threat he needs to be for them to continue the same back court pairing. His playmaking is solid but everything else is below league avg.
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I think the front office has to factor in fit when selecting a player going forward unless they think that player is a top tier talent that will be our #1 option going forward.
More than just fit, I think the front office needs to think of flexibility to eventually build the roster. Sexton, Garland, and Okoro aren't players that create much flexibility with the positions they can play especially when put together.
I thought Okoro brought some flexibility but he is a SG size player without SG skills. If he was solidly a SF in size and could play some SG and PF like he was advertised as, we would be able to construct this team alot easier. Koby seems to keep dig himself into a deeper hole with each draft.
Also beyond fit and flexibility, if you are drafting guys that you ultimately have to trade away to gain fit, you end up losing other things that I think the front office wants to build. If you have to turn over the roster, things like chemistry, work ethic, culture, etc get lost as you trade away players. They invest years into these guys to develop them and have them buy in to what they want the team to do.
I like the idea of taking the bpa regardless of fit early in a rebuild and if you are in a position where fit and bpa match all the better, but it often seems too me that fit is difficult to determine anyway when you do not have much to hang your hat on as core players. If they are sitting at 5 again with the likes of Cade Cunningham ,Even Mobley, Kuminga or someone that shoots into that range that wasn't expected taken already, Does Green or Suggs fit enough to justify the pick as BPA even after they just drafted Okoro? i doubt it and it may mean trading down or over picking for need which is not usually a great idea.
Some of the other options at 5 are pretty decent too though this draft is better in the top 10 than last year imo
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Looks like Garland has more value than Sexton. I wonder what Sexton could bring in a trade?
Hey, Chris: How would you rank the Cavs’ “core four” in order of organizational importance? -- Jim from Pittsburgh.
Hey, Jim: While the Cavs have a young core, I think there are legitimate questions about the ceiling. They need a focal point, someone to build around instead of with. As it stands, point guard Darius Garland is most important. After a lousy rookie season, he made big strides as a sophomore. He displayed the playmaking skill set that has many within the organization believing he’s already the team’s best player. Expectations are he will only get better with more confidence and experience.
Garland is an easy fit. He’s a natural point guard. He plays with an infectious style and can get teammates into an offensive rhythm. The Cavs were 4-14 without him. He’s the kind of engine that can drive this offense out of the league’s cellar.
Hey, Chris: How would you rank the Cavs’ “core four” in order of organizational importance? -- Jim from Pittsburgh.
Hey, Jim: While the Cavs have a young core, I think there are legitimate questions about the ceiling. They need a focal point, someone to build around instead of with. As it stands, point guard Darius Garland is most important. After a lousy rookie season, he made big strides as a sophomore. He displayed the playmaking skill set that has many within the organization believing he’s already the team’s best player. Expectations are he will only get better with more confidence and experience.
Garland is an easy fit. He’s a natural point guard. He plays with an infectious style and can get teammates into an offensive rhythm. The Cavs were 4-14 without him. He’s the kind of engine that can drive this offense out of the league’s cellar.