Trading Collin Sexton or Darius Garland

[Blazie]

I sort of agree, but imo Sexton going for 40+ is the only chance this team would ever have of winning a playoff game.

 

[MirORich]

No way do I give a one dimensional player a max deal. Sexton is not elite, he’s not even an all star. On a good team he’s a third option.

Newsflash: most teams have at least 2-3 MAX players on their team and a good number of them do not fit the Bill as true elite, number one type player. But talent retention is necessary. Especially homegrown talent that is still developing.

Its easy to say you wouldn’t give a Max deal to Sexton, but your two alternatives might be either getting a Underwhelming trade return or letting him walk for nothing. How does either help the Cavs long term.

I agree that his most likely ceiling outcome is a third star on a very good team, but I do think there’s a chance he gets to second best player on a very good team. And either scenario, typically will get a player a Max deal in the NBA

 

[inliner311]

So then you are good with maxing Sexton? Because I am not.
Was listening to Jason Lloyd yesterday and his opinion was you have to trade Sexton
because if you max him you are going to have a salary cap mess on your hands in a few years...
also in my mind you can't start Garland and Sexton together, its too much of a defensive mismatch
that teams can exploit. The teams ceiling is limited win wise if you go down that road.

The cap situation is a real odd position that Koby has put himself into. It's not just Sexton but Allen and most likely Garland. The front office hasn't done itself any favor in trying to get the coaching staff to put in a playbook or system either. It's just a bunch of unknowns throughout with what they have and how they fit.

We don't know if Sexton, Garland, and Allen together even work that well to give them all that money. Also if we aren't going to have two small guards why do we need to pay Allen. Some of the best basketball that Sexton and Garland played was when Allen was out with a Love/Wade playing alot together to stretch the floor.

I know Sexton isn't a natural PG but we have yet to see how he could play if he was given a heavy playbook and asked to run that. Kyrie was given alot of plays by Byron Scott and those kept being used even after Lebron came back. I think if Sexton was able to run alot of plays and him and Garland could fill all the PG minutes, I wouldn't be so worried about paying him alot.

I'm more worried about paying Allen because of the market for traditional centers. His fit is more questionable to me and I'm not sure he actually wants to be here.

 

[Cavatt]

I'm more worried about paying Allen because of the market for traditional centers. His fit is more questionable to me and I'm not sure he actually wants to be here.

I'm concerned.

 

[inliner311]

I'm concerned.

A high paid, unmotivated or unproductive center, is basically the definition of a unmovable player in the NBA. Plus I think there is an oversupply of centers so if a center isn't outplaying his contract number, it might be hard to move him in general. It's basically the only position that you really can't put two of them on the floor together.

 

[1B4IGO]

The cap situation is a real odd position that Koby has put himself into. It's not just Sexton but Allen and most likely Garland. The front office hasn't done itself any favor in trying to get the coaching staff to put in a playbook or system either. It's just a bunch of unknowns throughout with what they have and how they fit.

We don't know if Sexton, Garland, and Allen together even work that well to give them all that money. Also if we aren't going to have two small guards why do we need to pay Allen. Some of the best basketball that Sexton and Garland played was when Allen was out with a Love/Wade playing alot together to stretch the floor.

I know Sexton isn't a natural PG but we have yet to see how he could play if he was given a heavy playbook and asked to run that. Kyrie was given alot of plays by Byron Scott and those kept being used even after Lebron came back. I think if Sexton was able to run alot of plays and him and Garland could fill all the PG minutes, I wouldn't be so worried about paying him alot.

I'm more worried about paying Allen because of the market for traditional centers. His fit is more questionable to me and I'm not sure he actually wants to be here.

Thanks, I appreciate your insight. I really like Sexton, he’s a scrappy old time player. I just don’t want the team to get cap strapped.

 

[WorldFreeB]

Do you happen to remember where he said it? 92.3 or a podcast? I’ve got some time today and even though he has been pretty sour on the cavs the past few years, I’ll take any cavs content lol.

Also, they are an absolutely exploitable defensive duo so ya I’m not sure where the long term prospects are for them together. It’s interesting because Sexton has the length to guard 2’s with a 6’7ish? wingspan but doesn’t have the IQ to put himself in the right position to do it, e.g. dying on screens constantly. Garland is just a bad defender due to size and strength, but he seems to be a decent positional/team defender indicating a decent defensive IQ. Either way, neither are good so it’s moot but it’s an interesting wrinkle.

Depending on the draft, I’m of the mindset okoro should start at the 2 or 3 and defend the other teams best player no matter what. One of Sexton or garland can come off the bench unless they get screwed with the draft and get a Scotty Barnes, then it’s a free for all and I have no idea what they do then…

That interview was on 92.3.
I don't have a problem with a bit of a rebuild reset if we have to get the pieces to fit together.
What those guys were talking about as a possible Knicks deal is really interesting.
19/21 and 32 plus our top 7 pick would give the cavs a chance to rethink and restructure the
rebuild with different players that fit better. I would rather take a small step back to have a team
that has a higher ceiling than the one we have now.

 

[Ozone]

No way do I give a one dimensional player a max deal. Sexton is not elite, he’s not even an all star. On a good team he’s a third option.

He is not one dimensional but clearly it fits your agenda here
learn something



Edit: There is a lesson to be learned here and that is to stop attacking fellow posters and accusing them of things. I invite you to read the rules again about not being a dick. This is the final lesson on the matter.

-Sebastian.

 

[1B4IGO]

He is not one dimensional but clearly it fits your agenda here
learn something

I appreciate your take and I have no agenda except seeing a team I’ve followed 51 years succeed. When I say one dimensional I’m talking about a more than just a scorer. I really like the kid was happy we drafted him just not at a Max deal.

 

[inliner311]

That interview was on 92.3.
I don't have a problem with a bit of a rebuild reset if we have to get the pieces to fit together.
What those guys were talking about as a possible Knicks deal is really interesting.
19/21 and 32 plus our top 7 pick would give the cavs a chance to rethink and restructure the
rebuild with different players that fit better. I would rather take a small step back to have a team
that has a higher ceiling than the one we have now.

I don't think Koby is the GM to make that reset in the rebuild for that package of return. Let's be honest, the best thing he has done is draft in the top 8 but we know that he uses his contacts at USA Basketball to get alot of that Intel. I'm not sure I would trust his judgement or scouting beyond the lottery because the structure of who gets to play for USA basketball.

If you look the rosters for u17, u18, and u19 for USA basketball it's basically the top 10-12 recruits of the each class. There might be a reason why we haven't seen Koby try to use a 2nd round pick.

 

[Ozone]

I appreciate your take and I have no agenda except seeing a team I’ve followed 51 years succeed. When I say one dimensional I’m talking about a more than just a scorer. I really like the kid was happy we drafted him just not at a Max deal.

well I would bet he gets it pretty easily agree with it or not.

 

[1B4IGO]

well I would bet he gets it pretty easily agree with it or not.

I‘m sure he will and it will probably be with the Cavs. I just don’t think we’re going to go anywhere with this roster as it is. We draft too many square pegs trying them to fit into round holes. In that right system a lot of our players would flourish but the surrounding cast isn’t working.

 

[Ozone]

I‘m sure he will and it will probably be with the Cavs. I just don’t think we’re going to go anywhere with this roster as it is. We draft too many square pegs trying them to fit into round holes. In that right system a lot of our players would flourish but the surrounding cast isn’t working.

it takes more time than people accept to rebuild always does there is no Lebron James walking through the door this time

 

[Ohioplayer00]

It doesn’t take long if you make the right picks in the draft and sign on the correct FAs. 2023 is the target date for the Cavs to make waves and move towards securing a playoff spot as they are projected to have close to $37 million in cap space

 

[Lee]

I hate overripe fruit.

Stay away from Palm Springs then.