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Speaking of Smiley Face Killers...

There’s a good podcast about the original Smiley Face Killer I just finished. Real sonofabitch.

These true crime podcasts, books etc are so fascinating that until you hear/read ones that are focused on the victims and their families or the families of the killers its easy to forget that all of their lives were destroyed by these people we’re so interested in.

This one focuses on his daughter and the son of the victim whose murder ultimately got him caught. POS was winking at the kid in court and taunting him about her from prison. That’s infuriating to me.

Additionally...almost without exception, serial killers experienced severe abuse just prior to becoming hardwired as the psychopathic/sociopathic personalities that lead to the murderous people they ultimately become. They were almost all victims at one point too. So you’ve usually got their parents to blame as well. Not defending, just pointing out that for people completely lacking in empathy the children that became the terrible monsters they ultimately became certainly deserved some.

It’s a strange world we live in where people abuse each other so horribly.

Here is an article that talks about just that. It is short but the citations at the end are very useful:

From Abused Child to Serial Killer: Investigating Nature vs Nurture in Methods of Murder

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A landmark study of 50 serial killers found that childhood abuse was more prevalent in lust serial killers.

“Childhood trauma does not come in one single package.” ― Asa Don Brown

Deeply traumatic experiences, especially during childhood, can have an even deeper impact in adult life. They can significantly shape an individual's personality and life choices, spurring research into the connection between childhood abuse and criminal behavior. In particular, the extent of childhood abuse reported among serial killers has raised the question: Are serial killers born or made?


Nature vs Nurture

Not all abused children become serial killers, and not all serial killers are victims of childhood abuse. However, the connection between the two cannot be dismissed as just coincidence.

According to criminologist Dr Adrian Raine, both biologic and social factors contribute to the making of a murderer. Reviews of more than 100 twin and adoption analyses showed that approximately 50% of variance in antisocial behavior is attributable to genetic influences.1 In his book, The Anatomy of Violence, Dr Raine explains that “Genetics and environment work together to encourage violent behavior.” For example, those with a specific variant of the enzyme monoamine-oxidase-A gene are more prone to displaying violent behavior if they have had an abusive upbringing. A child susceptible to genetically driven violent conduct does not necessarily become a criminal. However, genetics, in tandem with environmental factors such as violent childhood experiences, work together to shape a person.2

Personal traumas can affect behavioral choices. Take the example of the murderer Richard “The Night Stalker” Ramirez from El Paso, Texas. Found guilty of murdering 13 people in San Francisco and Los Angeles, Ramirez had a disturbed childhood, enduring brutal beatings by his father. Serial killer duo Ottis Toole and Henry Lee Lucas, who were believed to have murdered hundreds of people, were both victims of physical and psychological abuse. Specifically, they were made to dress up as young girls and then beaten.3

The connection between genetics, social environment, and criminal behavior appears to be a reality, although in varying degrees across criminals. As Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) profiler Jim Clemente said, “Genetics loads the gun, their personality and psychology aim it, and their experiences pull the trigger.”3


Decoding the Criminal Mind

Understanding the factors that may contribute to serial killer behavior facilitates effective criminal profiling significantly. At a recent UK conference, researcher Abbie Marono presented findings from her work with ex-FBI profiler Joe Navarro on how different types of childhood abuse can be used to profile serial killers.

The study involved examining the association among 4 serial killer typologies — lust and rape, anger, power, and financial gain — and 3 categories of child abuse — psychological, sexual, and physical. The results suggest that sexual abuse was potentially connected to the rape/lust and anger typologies. It was also associated with a tendency for overkill, postmortem sex, and moving the body to a different location from where the murder took place.

Psychological abuse was associated more with rape/lust and financial gain typologies. Acts of crime associated with childhood psychological abuse tended to involve torture. In contrast, physical childhood abuse was found to be associated with the rape/lust typology, as well as behaviors such as carrying out the act quickly, binding the body, and leaving the body at the crime scene.4

A landmark study of 50 serial killers found that childhood abuse was more prevalent in lust serial killers. One of the authors of this study, Michael G. Aamodt, explained, “Our data showed that a much higher percentage of serial killers were abused as children than the population in general. It certainly makes sense that the type of abuse received as a child — physical, sexual, or psychological — could influence a serial killer's behavior and choice of victim.” While it is safe to recognize abuse as a factor contributing to the making of a serial killer, most people who face abuse do not become serial killers. In this study, 32% of all serial killers had no history of abuse.5

In his book Serial Killers, Joel Norris describes the cycles of violence as generational: “Parents who abuse their children, physically as well as psychologically, instill in them an almost instinctive reliance upon violence as a first resort to any challenge.”6 In another study, serial killers were analyzed to understand the variables of childhood mistreatment and sexual aggression toward victims. The researchers found that serial killers treated badly during childhood tended to sexually assault their victims before murdering them. On the other hand, serial killers who did not experience childhood abuse did not display sexually violent behavior.7

In a study for the National Institute of Justice, Dr Herrenkohl and his colleagues found that childhood abuse heightened the risk for criminal behavior in adulthood by encouraging antisocial behavior during childhood. There was also evidence of a “cycle of violence” in people with a history of childhood maltreatment, with victims of childhood violence being more likely to demonstrate violence later in life.8


A Complex Conundrum

Genetics, environment, trauma, and personality — various factors drive serial killer behavior. Generalizing the cause of criminal behavior would be presumptuous and inaccurate, but the link between childhood abuse and serial killing has been apparent in many studies over the decades. Beyond certain common personality traits, serial killers are unique, shaped by their own extraordinary experiences, circumstances, and mindsets. Whether genetic investigations like brains scans or behavioral studies to gauge serial killer tendencies prove to be groundbreaking in criminal profiling and crime prevention remains to be seen. However, with an extensive and ever-growing treasure trove of evidential research in this space, the key to understanding what makes a serial killer may be just around the corner.


References
  1. Raine A. The biological crime: implications for society and the criminal justice system. Rev psiquiatr Rio Gd Sul. 2008;30:5-8.
  2. Raine A. The Anatomy of Violence: The Biological Roots of Crime. New York: Pantheon Books; 2013.
  3. Merryweather C. 15 Serial Killers Who Had the Childhood From Hell. The Talko. www.thetalko.com/15-serial-killers-who-had-the-childhood-from-hell. Updated June 20, 2016. Accessed May 29, 2018.
  4. Marono A, Keatley D. A behaviour sequence analysis of serial killers' lives: from childhood abuse to methods of murder. Presented at: British Psychological Society Annual Conference; May 2-4, 2018; Nottingham, UK. Presentation 265.
  5. Mitchell H, Aamodt MG. The incidence of child abuse in serial killers. J Police Criminal Psychol. 2005;20(1):40-47.
  6. Norris J. Serial Killers. New York, NY: Doubleday Books; 1989.
  7. De Santiago Herrero FJ, Delgado CT, García-Mateos M. Serial killers: relation between childhood maltreatment and sexual relations with the victims. Eur Psychiatry. 2017;41:S585-S586.
  8. Pathways Between Child Maltreatment and Adult Criminal Involvement. National Institute of Justice. https://nij.gov/topics/crime/childr...treatment-and-adult-criminal-involvement.aspx. Updated October 12, 2017. Accessed May 29, 2018.



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Why are there a disproportionate number of male to female serial killers?
 
Why are there a disproportionate number of male to female serial killers?

Non-psych here, but...

My non-professional theories:

When male serial killers are abused they usually start torturing animals early (often cats) then move on to killing humans, largely with a sexual crime mixed in. The abuse of animals allows them to assert the control they’re losing when they are abused.

Female serial killers often get caught up with men and do it to please them, though there have been some exceptions. And they usually kill their parents or lovers, so there was emotion tied to it. This is a whole other discussion, but I actually don’t buy into the whole “women are more emotional than men” thing. I think each gender is probably similarly emotional, as emotions are really a function of chemicals in your brain causing you to act on them outwardly (or not). But how you act on them (or not) has to do with what’s acceptable societally. So repressing emotions, like repressing sexuality (ever read the Scarlet Letter?) can cause a whole bunch of other issues once you finally release them.

Anyways...Men typically get into serial killing because they find that the crimes give them a feeling of dominance over their victims much like their abuser had over them. The need for dominance is hard-wired into them along with the sexuality as a package deal. So they kill to assert dominance and have difficulty getting off sexually any other way. Men want to get off sexually (I mean how many times a day do YOU fantasize about sex?)...so they keep going back to their go to method of killing as their primary means of getting off.

Otoh...women who are abused early, for reasons I dont understand as well, seem to either shut off sexually or act out sexually rather than sexually+ Aggressively. They often end up getting abused again rather than abusing someone else. Again...I don’t understand how this works quite as well so I don’t want to speak on it.

Once men get that sex/control hardwire...theres a shot they become dangerous to other people. It seems like with women, they become more a danger to themselves. I really don’t understand this because women often dont become serial killers, so I havent delved into it.

Sidenote: There’s also the drug addict path here for both people. I would imagine MANY drug addicts were abused as children and use that to dull the pain of that abuse. It’s why when people show zero empathy for addicts or interest in delving into their background, I find it disappointing. The reality is, often there’s a trusted friend/relative to start with here and parents/guardians who let them down. I also find it odd that people call addiction a disease. I don’t think I agree that addiction is a disease. I think it’s more a coping mechanism for past abuse. Could easily be wrong. Havent studied it. Going by intuition.

Moving on...

I also believe men are generally more ingrained with a desire to dominate others, both societally (I think theres something to toxic masculinity though less than whats being pushed.) and chemically. We’re animals after all. There’s testosterone brewing up there that MAKES us desire sex in a very aggressive way. Chemicals are the same things that made caveman monkeys kill each other in times and nobody probably batted an eye, if you really want to break it down. Evolutionarily...we were monkeys and then we were cavemen at one point. We still have the same shit pumping through our brains. I believe there are some men who probably have different brain formations or more of this stuff in their brains, get abused and then...boom. Serial killer. Women’s brains probably are not structured this

Hope that answered the question in spite of a couple sidebars. Maybe the more educated people on the board will disagree with some of this, but abnormal psych and especially serial killers have always fascinated me. Sociopathy/psychopathy is a fascinated state of mind. I think there’s a LOT more of them than the stats suggest.
 
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Why are there a disproportionate number of male to female serial killers?

Men are typically a lot more violent than women.

Testosterone is a helluva thing.

My medication sometimes has the side effect of lowering my T-levels. If I run out or come off the stuff for a couple days the T comes back with a vengeance. It is like being 17 again. Sexual desire and aggression goes through the roof. For a week I'll be very supercharged and kitchen tools often suffer if a meal isn't perfect and we have had to patch-up holes in the wall more than once.

Non-psych here, but...

My non-professional theories:

When male serial killers are abused they usually start torturing animals early (often cats) then move on to killing humans, largely with a sexual crime mixed in. The abuse of animals allows them to assert the control they’re losing when they are abused.

Females often get caught up with men and do it to please them, though there have been some exceptions. And they usually kill their parents or lovers, so there was emotion tied to it. This is a whole other discussion, but I actually don’t buy into the whole “women are more emotional than men” thing. I think each gender is probably similarly emotional, as emotions are really a function of chemicals in your brain causing you to act on them outwardly (or not). But how you act on them (or not) has to do with what’s acceptable societally. So repressing emotions, like repressing sexuality (ever read the Scarlet Letter?) can cause a whole bunch of other issues once you finally release them.

Anyways...Men typically get into serial killing because they find that the crimes give them a feeling of dominance over their victims much like their abuser had over them. The need for dominance is hard-wired into them along with the sexuality as a package deal. So they kill to assert dominance and have difficulty getting off sexually any other way. Men want to get off sexually (I mean how many times a day do YOU fantasize about sex?)...so they keep going back to their go to method of killing as their primary means of getting off.

Otoh...women who are abused early, for reasons I dont understand as well, seem to either shut off sexually or act out sexually rather than sexually+ Aggressively. They often end up getting abused again rather than abusing someone else. Again...I don’t understand how this works quite as well so I don’t want to speak on it.

Once men get that sex/control hardwire...theres a shot they become dangerous to other people. It seems like with women, they become more a danger to themselves. I really don’t understand this because women often dont become serial killers, so I havent delved into it.

Sidenote: There’s also the drug addict path here for both people. I would imagine MANY drug addicts were abused as children and use that to dull the pain of that abuse. It’s why when people show zero empathy for addicts or interest in delving into their background, I find it disappointing. The reality is, often there’s a trusted friend/relative to start with here and parents/guardians who let them down. I also find it odd that people call addiction a disease. I don’t think I agree that addiction is a disease. I think it’s more a coping mechanism for past abuse. Could easily be wrong. Havent studied it. Going by intuition.

Moving on...

I also believe men are generally more ingrained with a desire to dominate others, both societally (I think theres something to toxic masculinity though less than whats being pushed.) and chemically. We’re animals after all. There’s testosterone brewing up there that MAKES us desire sex in a very aggressive way. Chemicals are the same things that made caveman monkeys kill each other in times and nobody probably batted an eye, if you really want to break it down. Evolutionarily...we were monkeys and then we were cavemen at one point. We still have the same shit pumping through our brains. I believe there are some men who probably have different brain formations or more of this stuff in their brains, get abused and then...boom. Serial killer. Women’s brains probably are not structured this

Hope that answered the question in spite of a couple sidebars. Maybe the more educated people on the board will disagree with some of this, but abnormal psych and especially serial killers have always fascinated me. Sociopathy/psychopathy is a fascinated state of mind. I think there’s a LOT more of them than the stats suggest.

@Hydroponic3385, have you studied criminals?
 
Several problems exist with the theory of a smiley face killer:
1. There is a problem of time-order. In science we have to show that the two correlated factors occur in the correct sequence (Babbie, 1998). Smiley-faced graffiti must be proven to have been painted at or immediately after the time of the killing. Some of the photographs of the graffiti show faded worn-out paint that looks to have been applied years earlier. In other cases the graffiti was found months afterward. There is no proof of when any of them were painted. While determining age of paint is forensically possible, it is technically imprecise, only narrowing to the year of origin (SWGMAT, 2000). In many instances, no smiley faces were found at all. Therefore, the finding of these faces is most likely the result of chance.
2. Graffiti is omnipresent. Smiley Faces were first invented in 1964 and have since spread everywhere (Smiley, 2010). Smilies have now become a universal symbol of happiness. They exist anywhere from children's stickers to commercial logos. One reason this graffiti is found everywhere is that smiley faces are among the easiest forms of graffiti to paint.
This cheery graffiti is a cynical slap at the police by the vandals. Because these vandals know that many cities work to document every instance of graffiti for later identification and prosecution (e.g., see City of Minneapolis, 2010), painting a smiley makes more work for the police. It is quite simply a taunting of the police by graffiti vandals.
3. one of the smiley faces exactly match one another. There is no common paint stroke, height, width, curl, whirl, or drip. This makes it difficult to connect one incident to the next in the process of what investigators call linkage (Eggers, 1984; Douglas, Burgess, Burgess, & Ressler, 1992). Although linkage has been asserted by investigators, no credible linkage has been documented between any of the painted smilies. To the contrary, investigators admit the paintings are all dissimilar (Piehl, 2008b; CNN, 2008b)
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and try to explain away this dissimilarity (CNN, 2008a; CNN, 2008c), thereby illuminating their bias. The claim that the uniqueness of each smiley is the result of multiple artisans (Kaye, 2008) is disingenuous, and lacking in any identifiable pattern. Investigators have begun distancing themselves from the smiley, saying that the smiley faces are not all that important and represent only 1/13th of the amount of linked symbols (Fox News Radio, 2008).
4. The word "Sinsiniwa" is a red herring. It is commonly found throughout the Midwest and therefore is randomly occurring in graffiti found painted near several drowning sites. It is an Indian-based word meaning “Rattlesnake” (as cited in Smith, 1930) or “Home of the Young Eagle” (as cited in Centennial Records, 1876).
Like the smiley faces, "Sinsiniwa" is a relatively common term that appears in over 15 different locations around the country, including MN, WI, IA, MI, IL, and WA. According to CHR staff researchers, it occurs as the name of three streets, one river, various commercial businesses, schools and other assorted place names, including a religious order called the Sinsinawa Dominican Congregation of the Most Holy Rosary of the Order of Preachers (Grant County, 2010). It also has accrued several spellings including Sinsinawa, Sinsiniwa, Sinsinawe, Sinsinewa, Sinsinniwa, Sinsinnawa, Sinsineua (Clementine, 1920).
5. o criteria has been established specifying the necessary distance that a smiley face must occur in proximity to a deceased body in order to be counted. In some cases the smiley or word “Sinsiniwa” is within close proximity and with others it is quite distant. Estimating where the body might have entered the water is simply that -- an estimation. Even when based on experimental testing, there are too many constantly changing variables to ensure accuracy. Within the confines of a city, bridges, which commonly evidence graffiti, can be located upstream of any body recovery location. In the Jenkins case (using Google Earth), seven bridges can be located within one mile upstream, as can hundreds of trees.
6. There is no evidence of victim trauma. There is no sign on the vast majority of these recovered remains that they were the recipient of trauma. The Christopher Jenkins family alleges that their son was driven around the city for hours while he was tortured (Piehl, 2008). Torture tends to leave signs of trauma. There was no physical trauma identified in this case consistent with an assault (MPD, 2003). In one death [Patrick McNeill, Jr.] this evidence was present, but he was deceased prior to entering the water and did not drown (Nationwide Investigations, 2009).
7. Homicidal drowning is extremely rare. They only account for two-tenths of one percent (0.2) of all U.S. killings (Fox, 2000). Of the few cases that are known to exist, most involve parents drowning their own children or on occasion a husband will drown his wife in a bathtub. In the United States, according to FBI data, 907 homicidal drownings were recorded over the course of 21 years (Fox). Of these, nearly half (416) were victims aged eight or under (usually filicides). Considering the age range of the college students, using a liberal interpretation of ages 18-24, there were only 117
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homicidal drownings of college students in the United States over 21 years (three one hundredths of one percent or 0.03).
8. The idea that water washes away all the evidence is a myth. To the contrary, water that is cold (as in many of these northern cases) acts as a deterrent to decomposition, thereby preserving the wound patterns. Yes, water might wash off blood, but investigations show that much can be recovered from an immersed body, including the lifting of latent finger prints from the surface of the deceased's skin (Sampson & Sampson, 2005). From river drownings, investigators have shown that it is possible to obtain fiber evidence and blood evidence from the recovered remains, as was used to convict Wayne Williams of the Atlanta Child Murders (Deadman, 1984; Becker, 2000). When correctly processed, "investigators can obtain a variety of forensic evidence" in water recoveries (Becker, p. 4).
9. These drownings don't fit a serial killer motive. The occurrence of serial homicide is a manifestation of a syndrome of behavior (Block & Block, 1992; Block & Christakos, 1995) based on psychological motivations. Of the many possible varieties of serial homicide (Morton & Hiltz, 2005), these deaths do not show any of the related indicators one would expect to find.
These were not thrill killings, because they require long drawn-out killing processes that include bondage, strangulation, sexual activity, and physical torture of a victim who is "alive and aware of what is happening" and able to feel pain (Holmes & Holmes, 1998, p. 114; Vronsky, 2004). None of that is in evidence in these victims [except possibly McNeill]. To the contrary, it has been argued that these victims were quite unaware of their surroundings due to alcohol intoxication and/or drug toxicity (Richmond, 2004; Kaye, 2008; Van Zandt, 2009). Thrill killers are profiled as organized killers and therefore highly intelligent (Fox & Levin, 1999), in stark contrast to the proposed smiley faced killer profile, "...not smart, someone not good in school, maybe doesn't have a job..." (Kaye, 2008, p. 1).
There was no financial motive such as the collecting of social security checks or theft of money, nor do these deaths qualify as mercy killings. There is no known serial offender who has ever drowned victims (Vogt & Morgan, 2004).
10. Confessions by correctional inmates are unreliable. In at least one suspected homicidal drowning case [Jenkins], an inmate confessed to his cellmate that he was responsible for the death (WCCO, 2006). However, a claim by a prison convict of having killed one or several people is not credible on its own. Many criminals (12%) make voluntary false confessions (Sigurdsson & Gudjonsson, 1997). Powerless people such as correctional inmates are known to exaggerate and make up stories in an effort to obtain social status or notoriety (Conti, 1999). For instance, John Karr and almost a dozen others have confessed to killing JonBenet Ramsey (Alfano, 2006; Crenson, 2006).
11. The general environment of these disappearances are conducive to accidental drowning. All drownings appeared to have occurred at night and after dark, in an area
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not far from bars and colleges. Inebriates who stagger away from bars are more likely to walk or stagger downhill because it is easier. Rivers are typically downhill from these drinking establishments and only a few blocks away. Many access points to the water lack barrier protection such as walls or fences. Intoxicated people typically experience disorientation and impaired coordination which makes them susceptible to falling (PDR, 2009). This, in combination with a lack of barriers, is a recipe for accidental drowning.
12. The supposition that only males are drowning does not necessarily support a serial killer theory. Males are more likely than females to die or be hospitalized from drowning (WHO, 2001). Alcohol and risky behavior have been shown to be major factors in drowning cases (WHO); and males are more likely to engage in risky behaviors even when not drinking. It is also probable that females are dying from intoxication in other ways, such as falling from a river bluff, or dying in a dormitory room from acute alcohol intoxication (e.g., see Jungen, 2007; Kinzie, 2009).
13. La Crosse, Wisconsin foot patrols and police have stopped over 50 intoxicated persons (fall 2006 through February 2010) from approaching the river late at night. Furthermore, college-aged drinkers are typically less experienced drinkers, and are more likely to drink to get drunk or binge drink.
In La Crosse, Wisconsin, between 1997-2010, "nine intoxicated college-age men have drowned in area rivers" (Associated Press, 2010, p. 1). Such alcohol-related deaths contributed toward making that city the focus of intense scrutiny. Drinking is a large part of the culture in La Crosse, where according to USA Today, one can find "more than 300 places to buy alcohol in La Crosse – triple the number of churches" (Howlett, 2004, p. 2).
La Crosse is also the scene of a particularly snowy college-aged drowning, that was documented with investigational photography. Photos clearly depict a single set of footprints leading in the snow out onto the river's ice. The footprints end at the water's edge, just above where the body was found. No other footprints are in evidence (Hardie, 2010). However, people are still referring to this instance as the work of a serial killer.
14. The process by which intoxicated men accidentally fall into the river is already known and well-documented. The LaCrosse Police Department issued a report detailing the circumstances of at least 20 imminent drowning victims who have survived, using firsthand accounts (La Crosse Police, 2010). Causes included dares, suicide attempts, and most commonly, accidents. Eyewitnesses were present for several of these instances. Most all victims were intoxicated at the time of the near-drowning. Intoxicated victims can and do fall in the river. Contrary to popular belief, accidental near-drownings are fairly common, though not typically well-documented. Footwear slip-marks have been documented on the riverbank in Minneapolis by CHR researchers.
15. Many of these drowning cases are likely to have involved aspects of auto- assassination. Auto-assassination is not suicide per se, but a style of living with reckless disregard for one's own life. Responsible drinking does not involve drinking to the point of intoxication (CDC, 2010). Many of these drowning victims appear to be drinking to
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the point of total inebriation. In some instances, these deaths actually may be suicides. Suicide is the third leading cause of death in people aged 15-24 (CDC, 2005). Binge drinking is a strong predictor of actual suicide attempts (Windle, 2004). Twenty-five percent of all suicides are immediately preceded by alcohol use (Goodwin, 1973).
16. Malicious drugging of victims is unsupportable by the evidence. One claim being made is that drowning victims were drugged by the offenders prior to their abduction to obtain control over the victim, and that it was a drug not detectible by autopsy (Kaye, 2008). This problematic claim is not falsifiable unless investigators were purposefully looking for a specific suspected toxin. GHB and other substances do not stay in the body very long (Zvosec, 2010). While some of these drowning victims do evidence GHB presence, there is no evidence to support that the drugging was malicious. Instead, this is simply an untested and un-testable supposition.
17. Presence of GHB (gamma-hydroxybutyric acid) in the victims’ bodies does not indicate whether these victims were maliciously drugged or they knowingly administered the substance themselves. In some cases GHB was detected alongside high levels of alcohol in the deceased (Richmond, 2004). GHB is a naturally produced chemical in the human body (Gobaille, Hechler, Andriamampandry, Kemmel, & Maitre, 1999). Though typically produced in small amounts, the decomposition process can release additional GHB into the system (Teter & Guthrie, 2001). GHB seems less relevant since alcohol alone can cause effects similar to those associated with GHB, such as loss of muscle coordination, dizziness, etc. (CDC, 2008).
18. The drowning of college students is not limited by region, but by climate. It happens in the United Kingdom (Powell, 2001) and Canada as well (The Edmonton Journal, 2006). States such as AZ, UT, and NV, all lack cases due to their absence of water in a desert climate. The deaths in other countries are never linked by nefarious activity, just the accidental behavior of inexperienced and intoxicated youths.

http://homicidecenter.org/wp-conten...-Brief-on-Smiley-Face-Murder-Theory-FINAL.pdf
 
Men are typically a lot more violent than women.

Testosterone is a helluva thing.

My medication sometimes has the side effect of lowering my T-levels. If I run out or come off the stuff for a couple days the T comes back with a vengeance. It is like being 17 again. Sexual desire and aggression goes through the roof. For a week I'll be very supercharged and kitchen tools often suffer if a meal isn't perfect and we have had to patch-up holes in the wall more than once.



@Hydroponic3385, have you studied criminals?

Definitely not my forte. Really purely a forensic psychologist area.
 
Definitely not my forte. Really purely a forensic psychologist area.

Do you have any thoughts on any of this?

For example, why people tend to chase conspiracy theories in the face of a rather simple explanations?
 
Do you have any thoughts on any of this?

For example, why people tend to chase conspiracy theories in the face of a rather simple explanations?

It could be for notoriety in this case. The parents of some of the “victims” have come out and said they feel used and that once the detective (don’t recal his name, but the one that started all this) uses them as much as he can, he basically disappears.

Or it could be just an obsession that you have in your head and you’re so emerged in the case that you’ve let your emotions get the best of you. You have so many things in front of you pointing it’s not true, but you don’t want to believe it. Partially because of the time spent and the other is the thrill of the chase.

Just look at the timeline, how many people do they think is in this network? How are they keeping this a secret and how do they recruit? If they’re on the dark web, why doesn’t the detective just infiltrate them that way? This would however be an excellent reason why non of the smiley faces match each other. The down fall of this theory though is that it wouldn’t be a serial killer(s), but rather a one kill per member gang.
 
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It could be for notoriety in this case. The parents of some of the “victims” have come out and said they feel used and that once the detective (don’t recal his name, but the one that started all this) uses them as much as he can, he basically disappears.

Or it could be just an obsession that you have in your head and you’re so emerged in the case that you’ve let your emotions get the best of you. You have so many things in front of you pointing it’s not true, but you don’t want to believe it. Partially because of the time spent and the other is the thrill of the chase.

Just look at the timeline, how many people do they think is in this network? How are they keeping this a secret and how do they recruit? If they’re on the dark web, why doesn’t the detective just infiltrate them that way? This would however be an excellent reason why non of the smiley faces match each other. The down fall of this theory though is that it wouldn’t be a serial killer(s), but rather a one kill per member gang.


Correct.

I think the term serial killings are being used as a practical term.

I want to address the prior points a little later. But I can tell you that mock drownings do you have a sexual cache with some.

There was a guy once a person of interest in at least on of these cases. Evidently, he was into drownings as kink. He wasn't alone. He was jailed for some other offense in the late 90s.

He later contacted me, in 2008, asking me to delete his name, and his background, from the FB page I ran. He was not pleasant.
 
Correct.

I think the term serial killings are being used as a practical term.

I want to address the prior points a little later. But I can tell you that mock drownings do you have a sexual cache with some.

There was a guy once a person of interest in at least on of these cases. Evidently, he was into drownings as kink. He wasn't alone. He was jailed for some other offense in the late 90s.

He later contacted me, in 2008, asking me to delete his name, and his background, from the FB page I ran. He was not pleasant.

Are we still talking about joe Thomas?
 
Still don't know who killed Nicole brown or Casey Anthony's kid
 
Can we get back on topic @King Stannis with some more real life serial killer unsolved mysteries/stories?
 
Can we get back on topic @King Stannis with some more real life serial killer unsolved mysteries/stories?

One ongoing unsolved mystery is where the fuck my socks keep going.

I second @Randolphkeys' suggestion of watching the Ted Bundy series on Netflix. Interesting dude.

I'll have another serial killer thing up later.
 
Ted Bundy was interesting but he was a fucking piece of shit. I find it fascinating that people forget it so quickly because he was “attractive.”

Fuck that guy. He lied to so many people’s faces so many times and was just an arrogant self serving pile of shit from start to finish. Of all of the many serial killers there have been he’s been one that was never willing to acknowledge that he hurt people.

I really can’t stress enough that when people delve into true crime that you should remember that for every serial killer that were victims that should also be taken into account and all of their families too. Don’t get hung up on being fascinated ONLY by the scumbag killers. That’s what the killers wanted. They killed typically innocent people who had actual lives. Parents, kids, etc.

Bundy was a sick motherfucker. He just happened to be smarter and more attractive than a lot of these other guys.
 

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