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Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Should President Trump Be Impeached?

  • Yes

    Votes: 48 64.0%
  • No

    Votes: 8 10.7%
  • Undecided and awaiting evidence before making a decision

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Hillary Did it

    Votes: 9 12.0%
  • It Should be Left to the Election

    Votes: 5 6.7%
  • Get over it!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Rudy Giuliani Did it

    Votes: 1 1.3%

  • Total voters
    75

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President breaks laws and gets called out for it. Compares treatment to being lynched.

But it's okay he broke those laws because in the 90s the Democrats also used the phrase "lynching".

I guess I don't quite understand where this fits in with the president committed impeachable crimes and not only did he admit to it, there are witnesses. But it's totally cool because the Democrats onced used a word inappropriately
Not really sure how you reached that conclusion to be honest .
 

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Also wanted to touch on the earlier sentence on Hillary's emails, and how they ended up being not much, and all the while every Republican lawmaker beclowned themselves on the issue, they knew full well, at the very time they were calling for Hillary to be jailed:



IVANKA TRUMP, JARED KUSHNER AND EVERY TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL ACCUSED OF USING PERSONAL EMAIL FOR WORK

House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings on Monday expanded an investigation into personal email use by Trump administration members to include Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, bringing the number of officials under scrutiny to eight.

President Donald Trump has brushed aside accusations of his officials using their personal emails, while never retracting his blistering criticism of his 2016 election opponent Hillary Clinton who used a private email server while she was secretary of state. Trump criticized Clinton's private email use as an effort to hide illicit activity, but has not called out any wrongdoing by his own team.

Here are the Trump administration members who are being probed for private email use:

Betsy DeVos
DeVos was added to House Democrats' personal email probe after "disturbing new revelations" about her personal email use from the Education Department's inspector general in May, Cummings wrote in a letter to her.

According to the new records, DeVos "withheld from the Committee information it has been seeking on a bipartisan basis over the past two years," Cummings wrote, and requested the documents by July 29.

However, Education Department spokeswoman Liz Hill told Politico that Cummings' letter was "political grandstanding" and that "the [inspector general] has already done a thorough report on this issue. There is nothing to see here."

Ivanka Trump
The first daughter and senior White House adviser used a personal account to send hundreds of government business emails to Cabinet members, White House aides and her assistants, people familiar with her emails told The Washington Post in November 2018.

"While transitioning into government, after she was given an official account but until the White House provided her the same guidance they had given others who started before she did, Ms. Trump sometimes used her personal account, almost always for logistics and scheduling concerning her family," Peter Mirijanian, a spokesman for Ivanka Trump's attorney Abbe Lowell, said in a statement.

Cummings in a July 1 letter to White House counsel Pat Cipollone requested all communications by White House officials, including Ivanka Trump, who sent or received emails on government business through their personal accounts but did not forward them to their work accounts within 20 days as required by the Presidential Records Act. The chairman suggested that his requests in December 2018 and March 2019 were ignored.

Jared Kushner
Ivanka Trump's husband and fellow senior White House adviser used either his personal email accounts or the messaging app WhatsApp for official communications, according to information previously obtained by the House Oversight Committee.

A lawyer for Kushner told The Wall Street Journal in March that Kushner "took images of his communications" on WhatsApp and forwarded them to his work accounts.

Kushner was among White House officials subject to Cummings' July 1 request for information by July 10.

Steve Bannon
The president's former chief strategist used his personal email account in 2017 in communications around an effort to send American nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia "in coordination with" the president's longtime friend and inaugural committee head Tom Barrack," Cummings told The Journal in March.

Bannon has admitted that he regularly used a Blackberry and his private email for work-related correspondence with people including outside adviser Erik Prince, and that he tried to preserve the communications. Bannon was also among officials subject to Cummings' July 1 request.

Stephen Miller
The former White House adviser sent or received at least several emails on their private accounts, The New York Times reported in September 2017 according to current and former administration officials.

Reince Priebus
The former chief of staff occasionally used personal email addresses for government business, according to The Times.

K.T. McFarland
The deputy national security adviser also used her personal email account in the 2017 effort to send U.S. nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia, according to Cummings, and is also subject to Cummings' July 1 information request.



https://www.newsweek.com/trump-officials-private-email-ivanka-jared-kushner-betsy-devos-1449556
 

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And to the point on why Trump's children are targeted by the media.

Well, one, some of them hold official roles they aren't qualified for. Again, not draining the swamp. Its called nepotism.

Second, while Trump and some folks here keep chasing the debunked Biden scandal, his children are making a killing, some of them while making deals from their White House offices.

So, third, as usual, Trump is a gaping hypocrite and the talking points are full of shit.


Trump’s Children Take in Millions Overseas as President Slams Biden’s Son

WASHINGTON —
Eric Trump sounded shocked that Hunter Biden hadn’t drawn more criticism for his lucrative business deals in Ukraine and China while his father, Joe Biden, was vice president.

“Can you imagine if I took 3 cents from the Ukraine or 4 cents from China?” President Trump’s second-oldest son asked in a recent Fox Business appearance.
Eric Trump and his older brother, Donald Trump Jr., run the Trump Organization, which conducts business — and takes in tens of millions of dollars annually — around the globe and is still owned by the president. The company is forging ahead with projects in Ireland, India, Indonesia and Uruguay, and is licensing the Trump name in such turbulent areas as Turkey and the Philippines.

Their sister Ivanka is a senior advisor to the president. She kept her international fashion business going for 18 months after she was given a loosely defined White House portfolio that includes interacting with heads of state and working with domestic and international corporate chiefs on economic programs.

Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner


On the same day Trump and his daughter dined with Chinese President Xi Jinping at Mar-a-Lago in Florida in April 2017, China awarded her three preliminary trademark approvals for jewelry, handbags and spa services. In all, she has obtained more than a dozen Chinese trademarks since entering the White House, ensuring her access to the world’s second-largest economy if she goes back into business.

Time and again, Trump’s children have blurred the lines of family, nation and business — essentially the charge the president makes against the Bidens as he battles a House impeachment inquiry focused on whether he improperly pushed Ukraine to investigate his political rivals for what he claims were shady dealings.


Trump’s children “appear to people all over the world to be his bagmen,” said Richard Painter, who served as White House ethics czar under President George W. Bush. “This is the Trump business empire. It’s owned by Donald Trump, the president, and they are managing it for him and collecting business on his behalf.”

While Hunter Biden’s overseas deals may have embarrassed his father, now a Democratic presidential candidate, no evidence has emerged to suggest wrongdoing by the former vice president.

“There’s no substantiated or credible allegation that I know of that Hunter Biden’s work was personally financially benefiting Joe Biden,” said Robert Maguire, research director for Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a nonprofit that is suing Trump and alleges he is illegally profiting from the presidency.

“With President Trump, we know his two adult sons are going around the country and the world to make money for a company that President Trump himself personally profits from, that he also personally promotes using the White House,” he added.

The White House declined to comment for this story and the Trump Organization did not respond to a request for comment. But family members have angrily denied profiting from Trump’s time in the Oval Office.

During an August business trip to Indonesia, Trump Jr. dismissed reporters’ questions about potential conflicts of interest as “totally asinine.”

Eric Trump said Thursday at the Yahoo Finance All Markets Summit in New Yorkthat his family would go “down as one of the few families that have actually made a tremendous sacrifice.”

“We’ve lost a lot of money based on the fact that we don’t do any deals, that we’re sitting silent” while his father is in office, he said.

Since the company is privately held, that’s impossible to prove. In the meantime, both brothers sometimes travel on Air Force One — Eric Trump was aboard Thursday when the president flew to a rally in Minneapolis — and in June, both brothers dined at Buckingham Palace in London during Trump’s state visit. Both also spoke at Trump’s reelection kickoff rally in June in Orlando, Fla., and Trump Jr. is a leading surrogate at campaign events.

After he was elected, Trump pledged not to seek new foreign business deals while president.

He never divested from the Trump Organization, however, which had licensed his name for real estate developments around the globe.

Trump owns more than $130 million in assets across 30 countries under the trust controlled by his children, according to an analysis of his financial disclosures by the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonprofit, nonpartisan group in Washington that tracks money in politics.

The assets generated more than $100 million in income in 2017 and 2018 combined, according to the group, which calls those estimates conservative because the president has disclosed only ranges, not specific figures, in public.

While some Trump properties have “taken a nosedive” since he became president, according to Anna Massoglia, a researcher for the center, others — such as his hotel in Washington — have benefited from foreign interests that moved events to his properties after Trump took office.

Trump’s children have also looked to expand their overseas holdings, she said.

“In many cases, they’ve gone back and, to some extent, reactivated or given new life to long-dormant projects,” Massoglia said, citing projects in the Dominican Republic, Indonesia and Uruguay that are in various phases of development.

“Trump’s travels or his family’s travels across the world have appeared exploratory” toward “the possibility of new business and setting themselves up to expand following the presidency,” she added.

The Trump Organization, as part of a stated commitment to return foreign profits to the U.S. Treasury, said it sent $191,538 to the government last year. But the company has not explained how it calculated that figure.

Since Trump refuses to release his tax returns and the company keeps much of its financial data confidential, it’s unclear whether he is following the ethics rules he set for himself after the election. Even if he is, some of the largest gaps in the self-imposed guidelines involve foreign projects.

The projects can benefit from local zoning or infrastructure improvements, or even when U.S. military crews are billeted there. The House Oversight Committee is investigating why the Pentagon has spent nearly $200,000 at Trump Turnberry golf resort in Scotland since 2017 for overnight stays and other expenses during refueling stops in nearby Glasgow.

The Trumps also can market existing projects under the guidelines, and actively sell luxury condos to foreign buyers, among other investments.

Last month, Trump Jr. hosted about 100 people in New York who had purchased homes in Trump-branded luxury towers near New Delhi. Visitors flew over Manhattan in helicopters, dined at Trump’s hotel and listened to a “fireside chat” between Trump Jr. and an Indian business partner.

Trump Jr. repeatedly told Indian reporters of his desire to do more business in India and other countries once his father leaves office.

“I’d love to be in the market right now,” he told CNBC-TV18, a major channel for business news in India. “But there is a bigger picture and there’s an important picture for us, for our country, for what my father is doing, and for Americans. There will be time to be back in that later on, and I’m sure those relationships will remain.”

Trump Jr. told Mint, an Indian business publication, that India would be “a market that we would be very interested [in], post-politics” and that “it would be easier for me to get going in India because of the relationships we have built up in the last decade.”

Those relationships predated Trump’s presidency — the company laid the groundwork for the developments years before he won in 2016 — but they have been strengthened from the White House.

Last month, President Trump lavished praise on Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and held an unusual joint rally with him in Houston, gushing about the size of the crowds that packed the stadium.

“My personal chemistry [with Modi] is as good as it can get,” the president said two days later while discussing trade with the Indian leader on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly meetings in New York.

In 2017, the Trumps marketed another project in India — this one in Mumbai — with a picture of President Trump, calling it “an opportunity worth its weight in gold” to be associated with “celebrity & POTUS Donald Trump’s Trump Organisation,” using the abbreviation for president of the United States and the British spelling for organization.

After the Wall Street Journal raised questions about the materials, the Trump Organization said they were sent by an outside firm without its authorization.

When they took over the Trump organization, Trump Jr. and Eric Trump agreed to stay away from their father’s official duties, in part to signal to foreign governments or corporate leaders that they could not curry favor with the White House by doing business with the president’s sons.

But that line seems murky at best.

In January, Eric Trump boasted of his father’s local political connections while reviewing construction of a Trump-branded property in Uruguay.

Speaking to an Argentine website, he cited his father’s “deep respect” for Argentine President Mauricio Macri — Trump did business with Macri’s father in the 1980s — and discussed where he would like to invest when Trump leaves office.

“Now we have other major international brands, which are being introduced in the market, and that is very good for the region,” he said. “Without a doubt, we have raised the standards. Our goal is to have the standards of New York.”

In August, Trump Jr. attended “pre-launch” events in Indonesia for two resorts being developed with a partner who founded one of the country’s political parties and remains highly active, with a daughter seeking a Cabinet position there.

Indonesia, like many countries where the Trump sons do business, is negotiating with the Trump administration in Washington over trade policy. The government in Jakarta is seeking to avoid the tariffs the White House has imposed on other countries with a trade surplus.

Trump Jr. dismissed questions about a potential conflict of interest, telling reporters that his father “wouldn’t make decisions on a country based on a real estate deal.”

“I would like to shut down that nonsense right here,” he said.

 

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Also wanted to touch on the earlier sentence on Hillary's emails, and how they ended up being not much, and all the while every Republican lawmaker beclowned themselves on the issue, they knew full well, at the very time they were calling for Hillary to be jailed:



IVANKA TRUMP, JARED KUSHNER AND EVERY TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL ACCUSED OF USING PERSONAL EMAIL FOR WORK

House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings on Monday expanded an investigation into personal email use by Trump administration members to include Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, bringing the number of officials under scrutiny to eight.

President Donald Trump has brushed aside accusations of his officials using their personal emails, while never retracting his blistering criticism of his 2016 election opponent Hillary Clinton who used a private email server while she was secretary of state. Trump criticized Clinton's private email use as an effort to hide illicit activity, but has not called out any wrongdoing by his own team.

Here are the Trump administration members who are being probed for private email use:

Betsy DeVos
DeVos was added to House Democrats' personal email probe after "disturbing new revelations" about her personal email use from the Education Department's inspector general in May, Cummings wrote in a letter to her.

According to the new records, DeVos "withheld from the Committee information it has been seeking on a bipartisan basis over the past two years," Cummings wrote, and requested the documents by July 29.

However, Education Department spokeswoman Liz Hill told Politico that Cummings' letter was "political grandstanding" and that "the [inspector general] has already done a thorough report on this issue. There is nothing to see here."

Ivanka Trump
The first daughter and senior White House adviser used a personal account to send hundreds of government business emails to Cabinet members, White House aides and her assistants, people familiar with her emails told The Washington Post in November 2018.

"While transitioning into government, after she was given an official account but until the White House provided her the same guidance they had given others who started before she did, Ms. Trump sometimes used her personal account, almost always for logistics and scheduling concerning her family," Peter Mirijanian, a spokesman for Ivanka Trump's attorney Abbe Lowell, said in a statement.

Cummings in a July 1 letter to White House counsel Pat Cipollone requested all communications by White House officials, including Ivanka Trump, who sent or received emails on government business through their personal accounts but did not forward them to their work accounts within 20 days as required by the Presidential Records Act. The chairman suggested that his requests in December 2018 and March 2019 were ignored.

Jared Kushner
Ivanka Trump's husband and fellow senior White House adviser used either his personal email accounts or the messaging app WhatsApp for official communications, according to information previously obtained by the House Oversight Committee.

A lawyer for Kushner told The Wall Street Journal in March that Kushner "took images of his communications" on WhatsApp and forwarded them to his work accounts.

Kushner was among White House officials subject to Cummings' July 1 request for information by July 10.

Steve Bannon
The president's former chief strategist used his personal email account in 2017 in communications around an effort to send American nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia "in coordination with" the president's longtime friend and inaugural committee head Tom Barrack," Cummings told The Journal in March.

Bannon has admitted that he regularly used a Blackberry and his private email for work-related correspondence with people including outside adviser Erik Prince, and that he tried to preserve the communications. Bannon was also among officials subject to Cummings' July 1 request.

Stephen Miller
The former White House adviser sent or received at least several emails on their private accounts, The New York Times reported in September 2017 according to current and former administration officials.

Reince Priebus
The former chief of staff occasionally used personal email addresses for government business, according to The Times.

K.T. McFarland
The deputy national security adviser also used her personal email account in the 2017 effort to send U.S. nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia, according to Cummings, and is also subject to Cummings' July 1 information request.



https://www.newsweek.com/trump-officials-private-email-ivanka-jared-kushner-betsy-devos-1449556
You're missing the point, Stannis. When Republicans do it, it's okay. When Democrats do it, they are Satan*.

*Who is, mind you, a fictional being.
 

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The strange thing about the past three years of politics for me personally is that the more politicians and the media attack Trump, the more I support him. When he first announced his run, I was solidly against him. But then the attacks started coming in nonstop and I began to look deeper....

While they’re attacking Trump for his personal life that they all glorified when he was just a celebrity, mocking him eating ice cream and chicken, falsely accusing him of being a Russian as if McCarthy had risen from the grave, and doing everything they can to undermine him and our Nation.....I can’t help but notice that our economy has been reaching record after record for three years, we’ve fought back and have been winning against terrible trade deals we’ve apathetically allowed for decades, we’ve pulled out of wars and commitments that supposedly both sides were against during campaign season, actually got Mexico to start defending their borders and helping to stop the invasion into our country, etc.

Also while they’re attacking Trump, illegal activity after illegal activity is being covered up by the media and ignored by politicians. Epstein gets murdered in jail and the world goes hush about the child sex slaves he provided for big name politicians and executives.... Hillary’s emails are found to have broken over 500 laws and involved over 30 people.... Numerous politicians (Biden, Pelosi, and Romney to name a few) have direct financial ties to the Ukraine, Biden admittedly used his political power and government money to get a prosecutor in Ukraine fired for investigating his son....but Trump is somehow automatically guilty, so much so that the Democrats have to hide their supposed evidence and have secret, unconstitutional, unprecedented meetings that are keeping information from everyone but out of context excerpts intentionally being leaked to the media in order to drum up even more fake hate against Trump.

To sum all that up, Trump must being truly doing great things to get the admitted deep state, the media, and most of the political world to attack him. At this point, it’s Trump and the freedom loving Americans vs the political swamp and their allies in the media. Choose wisely.
You know, the more I’m presented with objective evidence of abuse of power, the more I fall in love with a narcissistic bigot who hasn’t accomplished anything.

If this is even a real opinion, the funniest thing about this lie-riddled defense of Trump is that it completely avoids the facts of the impeachment inquiry. You can’t defend it. But I’m not gonna hold that against you because I’ve seen Senators and Cabinet members fare even worse lately.
 

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That’s not what he said.

Anyways, we got the quid pro quo today. Time for Republican congressman to choose country over party.
So the vote is today then right?



Also, can someone explain to me how Joe Biden is on camera saying fire the prosecutor or your not getting 1 billion in aid is not quid pro quo?
 
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It’s funny, every one says it’s time for Republicans to step up, yet the Democrats skipped protocol on even opening up the investigation. There is nothing for Republicans to even do, as the Democrats won’t let them get involved.

Let’s wait till the investigation is over before we just assume guilt based on the fact those leading the charge and investigating hate/dislike Trump.
There’s no requirement for a vote. The inquiry is open whether the GOP chooses to acknowledge that or not. And I guess some of them do since they’ve been showing up to hearings and taking equal time to ask questions of witnesses who’ve come forward in spite of the WH’s attempt to stonewall.

The facts are pretty clear just based on the admissions of Trump, Giuliani, Pence, and Mulvaney, let alone the testimony, text messages, and rough transcript. But you’re free to wait and see.
 

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It’s funny, every one says it’s time for Republicans to step up, yet the Democrats skipped protocol on even opening up the investigation. There is nothing for Republicans to even do, as the Democrats won’t let them get involved.

Let’s wait till the investigation is over before we just assume guilt based on the fact those leading the charge and investigating hate/dislike Trump.
 

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So the vote is today then right?



Also, can someone explain to me how Joe Biden is on camera saying fire the prosecutor or your not getting 1 billion in aid is not quid pro quo?
I’m referring to Republicans choosing country over party when it comes to the actual vote on Articles of Impeachment, and the inevitable trial in the Senate.

Deflection to Biden won’t work on me, since I believe all government corruption should have a light shined on it regardless of party. With that out of the way, what are your thoughts on the confirmed quid pro quo from Taylor’s testimony?
 

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The scary thing about this to me, is that he did this after he was "cleared" from the Mueller investigation. This should have been a warning shot to Trump that said that everything he did was going to be scrutinized. And he did the stuff with Ukraine anyway. It's bad enough what he did with Ukraine on it's own merit. But he also didn't learn his lesson after the Mueller investigation and thinks he has free reign to do whatever he feels.
 

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Can someone explain to me why one quid pro quo is worse than another just because one is an abuse of power for personal gain and the other was backed by congress and the EU? My understanding was that the Latin means bad??

The scary thing about this to me, is that he did this after he was "cleared" from the Mueller investigation. This should have been a warning shot to Trump that said that everything he did was going to be scrutinized. And he did the stuff with Ukraine anyway. It's bad enough what he did with Ukraine on it's own merit. But he also didn't learn his lesson after the Mueller investigation and thinks he has free reign to do whatever he feels.
As soon as he was “cleared” he got right back to it. He thought he beat the heat and now he’s free to do what he pleases, because oversight is some sort of double jeopardy situation? He didn’t take the scandal seriously, didn’t take the inquiry seriously, and apparently still think the House won’t impeach.
 

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I’m referring to Republicans choosing country over party when it comes to the actual vote on Articles of Impeachment, and the inevitable trial in the Senate.

Deflection to Biden won’t work on me, since I believe all government corruption should have a light shined on it regardless of party. With that out of the way, what are your thoughts on the confirmed quid pro quo from Taylor’s testimony?
It was held in secret. Who knows what was really said.....My guess is nothing will come of this because it will be hard to prove that Trump wanted Ukraine to investigate into Biden strictly because he wants him out of 2020 race.
 

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The interesting part will be if anyone will testify that Trump told them to do it, or if someone from Trumps team told them. It seems like you would have to have someone prove Trump did it and not someone on his team.
 

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