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What Should Trump Do?

  • Maintain the Status Quo (such as it is)

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • Bomb the Shit Out of Iran But No Invasion

    Votes: 3 14.3%
  • Invade Their Asses

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • Call in Sweden to Mediate a Diplomatic Solution

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • Get the Fuck Out of the Middle East

    Votes: 9 42.9%
  • Invade Canada as a Warning

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • Hillary Did it!

    Votes: 2 9.5%

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Huh.

Trump actually warned China not to crack down in Hong Kong.

Looks like someone got through to him. Yay!

Still, if I were China, now would be the perfect time to invade Taiwan. Trump is so stupid, and doesn't care about things like democracy or alliances, that there is no way we would get involved.

Depressing. @jking948
 

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It's not oil we are interested in, it's freedom of shipping.. This goes back to our first military action abroad as a country, and the first cause of having a global navy..

Personally, I am not interested in boots on the ground, but would be just fine if we chose to sink every Iranian boat..
Ideally, in 30 years when no one needs Middle Eastern oil, we can go back to not caring about that either.

That's the dream! Indifference to hot, unpleasant parts of the world!
 

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Israel has since banned both from entering the country.

Whether or not you agree with Trump, it is downright shameful for the elected leader of the world’s most powerful office to shame members of his own Congress on an international stage. If anyone sees this as a show of strength on Trump’s part, I truly question their ability to differentiate between strength and weakness. A nation divided is weaker than a nation united.
Bibi is Trump's bitch. No way around it. Bootlickin' lil toadie.

And every Israeli should be outraged and fearful at the mere thought.
 

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Huh.

Trump actually warned China not to crack down in Hong Kong.

Looks like someone got through to him. Yay!

Still, if I were China, now would be the perfect time to invade Taiwan. Trump is so stupid, and doesn't care about things like democracy or alliances, that there is no way we would get involved.

Depressing. @jking948
To be honest, I’m not sure that Obama would have defended Taiwan. If there was a way to do it, like in the 90s, then I’m sure both POTUS’s would... but risking war is scary. The US lacks minesweepers, and while Japan has them, China’s A2/AD capabilities would make any war extremely costly. At a minimum, the US would need buy-in from Japan and Vietnam and Taiwan would have to agree to accept US command-and-control.
 

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To be honest, I’m not sure that Obama would have defended Taiwan. If there was a way to do it, like in the 90s, then I’m sure both POTUS’s would... but risking war is scary. The US lacks minesweepers, and while Japan has them, China’s A2/AD capabilities would make any war extremely costly. At a minimum, the US would need buy-in from Japan and Vietnam and Taiwan would have to agree to accept US command-and-control.
I think Obama would have defended Taiwan. It would be an error not to..That said, Taiwan will defend itself pretty effectively.. it's not a big place and it has lots of people and they are armed to the teeth.. China could nuke them, but that would serve no purpose.. The human cost of invasion would make Afghanistan look like a bar room fight..

Hong Kong is where they will flex muscle.. Easy supply line, unarmed opposition..but it will ruin China's global reputation for awhile..
 

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Huzzah! The Butcher is dead.

He liberated the nation from Apartheid fucks, but he quickly became the very thing he fought, and much worse.

He killed and tortured tens of thousands, soliciting advisors from the NORKs who taught them the exquisite art of testicular shocks, and in the end destroyed his nation's democracy and economy.



Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe ex-President, Dies aged 95

Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe's first post-independence leader, has died aged 95.



He died after battling ill health, his family confirmed to the BBC. Mr Mugabe had been in hospital in Singapore since April.

He was ousted in a military coup in November 2017, ending three decades in power.

He won Zimbabwe's first election after independence, becoming prime minister in 1980. He abolished the office in 1987, becoming president instead.

Mugabe's early years were praised for broadening access to health and education for the black majority. But his controversial land reform programme sparked an economic collapse and his latter years were marked by rights abuses and corruption.

His successor, Zimbabwean President Emmerson Mnangagwa, expressed his "utmost sadness", calling Mr Mugabe "Zimbabwe's founding father" and "an icon of liberation".

Mr Mnangagwa had been Mr Mugabe's deputy before replacing him.

'Liberation icon'
Mr Mugabe was born on 21 February 1924 in what was then Rhodesia.

He was imprisoned for more than a decade without trial after criticising the government of Rhodesia in 1964.

In 1973, while still in prison, he was chosen as president of the Zimbabwe African National Union (Zanu), of which he was a founding member.

Once released, he adopted a militant stance, heading to Mozambique and directing guerrilla raids into Rhodesia. But he was also seen as a skilled negotiator.

Political agreements to end the crisis resulted in the new independent Republic of Zimbabwe, elections for which were first held in 1980.

Mr Mugabe, with his high profile in the independence movement, secured an overwhelming victory.

Robert Mugabe - key dates
1924: Born

Later trained as a teacher

1964: Imprisoned by Rhodesian government

1980: Wins post-independence elections

1996: Marries Grace Marufu

2000: Loses referendum, pro-Mugabe militias invade white-owned farms and attack opposition supporters

2008: Comes second in first round of elections to Tsvangirai who pulls out of run-off amid nationwide attacks on his supporters

2009: Amid economic collapse, swears in Tsvangirai as prime minister, who served in uneasy government of national unity for four years

2017: Sacks long-time ally Vice-President Emmerson Mnangagwa, paving the way for his wife Grace to succeed him

November 2017: Army intervenes and forces him to step down

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-49604152
 

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Huzzah! The Butcher is dead.

He liberated the nation from Apartheid fucks, but he quickly became the very thing he fought, and much worse.

He killed and tortured tens of thousands, soliciting advisors from the NORKs who taught them the exquisite art of testicular shocks, and in the end destroyed his nation's democracy and economy.



Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe ex-President, Dies aged 95

Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe's first post-independence leader, has died aged 95.



He died after battling ill health, his family confirmed to the BBC. Mr Mugabe had been in hospital in Singapore since April.

He was ousted in a military coup in November 2017, ending three decades in power.

He won Zimbabwe's first election after independence, becoming prime minister in 1980. He abolished the office in 1987, becoming president instead.

Mugabe's early years were praised for broadening access to health and education for the black majority. But his controversial land reform programme sparked an economic collapse and his latter years were marked by rights abuses and corruption.

His successor, Zimbabwean President Emmerson Mnangagwa, expressed his "utmost sadness", calling Mr Mugabe "Zimbabwe's founding father" and "an icon of liberation".

Mr Mnangagwa had been Mr Mugabe's deputy before replacing him.

'Liberation icon'
Mr Mugabe was born on 21 February 1924 in what was then Rhodesia.

He was imprisoned for more than a decade without trial after criticising the government of Rhodesia in 1964.

In 1973, while still in prison, he was chosen as president of the Zimbabwe African National Union (Zanu), of which he was a founding member.

Once released, he adopted a militant stance, heading to Mozambique and directing guerrilla raids into Rhodesia. But he was also seen as a skilled negotiator.

Political agreements to end the crisis resulted in the new independent Republic of Zimbabwe, elections for which were first held in 1980.

Mr Mugabe, with his high profile in the independence movement, secured an overwhelming victory.

Robert Mugabe - key dates
1924: Born

Later trained as a teacher

1964: Imprisoned by Rhodesian government

1980: Wins post-independence elections

1996: Marries Grace Marufu

2000: Loses referendum, pro-Mugabe militias invade white-owned farms and attack opposition supporters

2008: Comes second in first round of elections to Tsvangirai who pulls out of run-off amid nationwide attacks on his supporters

2009: Amid economic collapse, swears in Tsvangirai as prime minister, who served in uneasy government of national unity for four years

2017: Sacks long-time ally Vice-President Emmerson Mnangagwa, paving the way for his wife Grace to succeed him

November 2017: Army intervenes and forces him to step down

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-49604152
Isn't he the guy that took all the land from white farmers, the country starved, then they begged for them to come back? Yeah, he really torpedoed his country.
 
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Isn't he the guy that took all the land from white farmers, the country stared, then they begged for them to come back? Yeah, he really torpedoed his country.
Exactly.
 

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Does the President understand that he nor the Prince of SA have the capability to declare war?

No.

And Iran has no reason to start a war.

Moreover, the Houthi have already claimed responsibility which Trump and Co. refuse to continence. Trump's proof is dubious.

And not just my opinion:

Ret. Gen. Mark Hertling said the images "really don't show anything, other than pretty good accuracy on the strike of the oil tanks. Ret. Adm. John Kirby echoed this point, stating "there is nothing I see in these pictures which confirms a launch from any particular location."

"I'm struck by the precision of the strikes. Almost pin-prick," Kirby said. "Certainly possible with (unmanned aerial vehicles). But again, that doesn't really confirm anything."
 

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Bolton is behind it all. Forced to leave, the strike was a final departing Parthian shot in an effort to drag the US into war with Iran. That's my conspiracy theory for the day. :p
 

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I find this strike convenient given the congressional pressure to stop supporting the Saudis in Yemen.

I also think Iran is smarter than to launch attacks from its own territory.
 

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I got another article at Defense One... This one is a bit more controversial.

In times of good relations, we shouldn't sell them weapons and rock the boat. In times of bad relations, we shouldn't sell them weapons and further inflame tensions.

Just come out and say that we shouldn't support Taiwan. (Not you jking, that's directed at the author) You could make a perfectly sound argument that our alliance costs us more than we gain. Just don't try to couch it in an argument about trade relations.
 

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