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Week 1: Inbreds@BROWNS

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Who is your least favorite Cleveland athlete

  • Trevor Bauer

  • Josh Gordon

  • Carlos Santana

  • Jose Calderon

  • Bryan Shaw

  • Iman Shumpert


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Eh, what QB has looked like Kizer has so far? Sample size is small but he's doing things out there that quite frankly we've never seen. Other QBs had sparce "moments" but none of them made throws like Kizer makes.

Also, you just saw significant improvement. Game 1 was a better performance than any game all last season for the Browns.
This is a really selective memory if you really don't remember people rallying around guys like Colt McCoy. Now that they flamed out no one would dare say they ever thought anything about them, but even Jason Fuggin Campbell somehow gained supporters. Mary Kay went so far to call him elite and while most fans werent that stupid there were people who rallied around him being a stop gap. hoyer and Derek Anderson both had a ton of fans. Derek Anderson's 2007 season was by far the best QB play we have gotten since the return and it's not close. Guy was a pro bowler, and a legit one
 
Derek Anderson's 2007 season was by far the best QB play we have gotten since the return and it's not close. Guy was a pro bowler, and a legit one
Agreed, and that is why I made the 10 years comment earlier.

I'm comparing the rookies now. McCoy never made throws like Kizer did today.
 
I'll put it this way and I think we all know it deep down

Kizer is not the first QB who has been heaped praise upon like this over a super small sample size. And I've seen the terms "finally on the right track" at the very least every other year

I need to see significant progress this year. There's promise but we have had a lot of unmaterialzed process over the years. We played a good game today. It's been followed up with a lot of people massively jumping the gun. Don't forget Pettinne's team knocked THE SHIT out of the stoolers while they were good and won 7 games. THAT was the turning point... then it wasn't

I get it, I'm scrouge. But you guys are really jumping the gun on this rebuild

I agree with a lot of this. This wasn't the greatest QB performance since the return.

But, the point of comparison shouldn't be the cherry-picked best game ever played by a former Browns QB, or their high water mark. This was Kizer's very first game, an opener, against the Steelers. I don't remember as impressive a career debut under similar circumstances, so I do think there is some cause for excitement.

I'll just say this: I feel more confident now than I felt before the game that he is our future franchise quarterback.
 
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Defense: Generally looked great. I would like to have seen more of a pass rush, and hopefully that will come with a healthy Garrett. Run defense was great. The only guy in the passing game to get his was Brown and he is always going to get his. I think we actually contained him good outside of the amazing "catch" at the end to seal the game and the long play in the first have where he beat the zone. Peppers was lining up 30 yards off of the line of scrimmage sometimes. Looks a little odd, but if his ball hawking allows us to put an extra guy in box then that is a plus. The long pass interference that basically changed the game was bullshit. I have little worries about our defense as whole. They will keep us in a lot of games.

Offense: I'm still pretty excited about Kizer, but he needs to get rid of the god damn ball. Too many sacks. He missed a couple guys too who were open. Kenny Britt needs to catch the damn ball and CoCo looked solid. The deep pass to Kasen Williams wasn't perfect, but he should have been aware of where he was and able to make the catch inbounds. Our offense actually outscored Pitt's offense. Which leads me to....

Special Teams: Punt block for a TD is just inexcusable. They were close to blocking a few others as well. I think Tabor sometimes gets too much credit. That ended up being the difference in the game.

Coaching: 2 areas where Hue sort of fucked up towards the end. Going for it on 4th and 3 down 11 (CoCo's TD). Even though they converted, the smart move would have been to take the 3 that you would need anyways instead of jeopardizing ending the game right there. Also after AB's catch, and someone correct me if I am wrong, he called the 2nd timeout, then challenged the play, and then lost the challenge and lost his 3rd timeout, effectively ending the game.

Just my thoughts from watching a game from the stands sober for once. We do look like an improved team and I hope they can continue to show signs of improvement as the season goes on.
 
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Defense: Generally looked great. I would like to have seen more of a pass rush, and hopefully that will come with a healthy Garrett. Run defense was great. The only guy in the passing game to get his was Brown and he is always going to get his. I think we actually contained him good outside of the amazing "catch" at the end to seal the game and the long play in the first have where he beat the zone. Peppers was lining up 30 yards off of the line of scrimmage sometimes. Looks a little odd, but if his ball hawking allows us to put an extra guy in box then that is a plus. The long pass interference that basically changed the game was bullshit. I have little worries about our defense as whole. They will keep us in a lot of games.

Offense: I'm still pretty excited about Kizer, but he needs to get rid of the god damn ball. Too many sacks. He missed a couple guys too who were open. Kenny Britt needs to catch the damn ball and CoCo looked solid. The deep pass to Kasen Williams wasn't perfect, but he should have been aware of where he was and able to make the catch inbounds. Our offense actually outscored Pitt's offense. Which leads me to....

Special Teams: Punt block for a TD is just inexcusable. They were close to blocking a few others as well. I think Tabor sometimes gets too much credit. That ended up being the difference in the game.

Coaching: 2 areas where Hue sort of fucked up towards the end. Going for it on 4th and 3 down 11 (CoCo's TD). Even though they converted, the smart move would have been to take the 3 that you would need anyways instead of jeopardizing ending the game right there. Also after AB's catch, and someone correct me if I am wrong, he called the 2nd timeout, then challenged the play, and then lost the challenge and lost his 3rd timeout, effectively ending the game.

Just my thoughts from watching a game from the stands sober for once. We do look like an improved team and I hope they can continue to show signs of improvement as the season goes on.
 
He called timeout to stop clock immediately and then after hearing the fans reaction to the replay threw his flag out. Ideally you only challenge or call the timeout, but the fact the ball came out and we all know the NFL is far from clear on ruling it, made him use the challenge


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Man, I just read this entire game thread and some of you people are just so damn angry all the time for the sake of being angry. I mean, some real sittin' on the porch in your thermal underwear with a shotgun drinking Wild Turkey and yelling at the mail man type of shit.

I thought the Browns showed a lot of heart, and after that punt block TD, that was the fast track to a 34-3 drubbing. It always is, right? That didn't happen. This team has some young talent, especially on the defense.

This defense is aggressive, and every guy is always hustling. There was a check-down pass to Bell over the middle and he tried to dance and make a linebacker miss. What happened? All four defensive linemen were pursuing the play and jumped on his back from behind. About 7 dudes piled up on him like a coed at a Baylor frat party. That's what I like to see--a team in constant pursuit.

The Peppers/Kindred tandem at safety is much better than I thought it would be. I would argue these guys are going to be yet another promising young spot on our defense this year. I love the linebackers. Schobert played well, getting his hands on passes (that unfortunately still were completed) and making tackles sideline to sideline.

This defense is going to be good. When Garrett gets back, watch out.

Corey Coleman is a good player. He's made progress. His hands are sure, and that was a knock on him coming out of school. We have no other receivers, however. Britt is a huge dud. Coleman had to deal with Artie Burns most of the day, and I think he's a very good up-and-coming corner in this league. I don't get the knocks on Coleman.

DeValve and Njoku are promising as hell and had good moments. Njoku was even in there on some goal line plays blocking. He clearly has impressed the coaching staff.

Last, Kizer has that moxie, people. Sure, he held the ball. Sure, he should have hit a few check-downs. Sure, that pick was something he can't get away with on this level.

That said, he was poised. He made some awesome throws. He moved the ball and put together some great drives. He climbed the pocket. He stood in and delivered on time and target more times than not. Again, he didn't get much help. Coleman is our only legitimate receiver outside of the young tight ends. We had no running game to speak of, and Kizer was tremendous out of play-action in college. He didn't get a chance to do that today with our lack of ground game.

The last drive to cut it to three looked like a veteran. His dual-threat ability is going to be handy. This is the best QB debut I can remember from a rookie since '99. He has all the tools, and he looked good. Two tuddies and the one pick? I'll take it. Pittsburgh is very physical and has a punishing defense. Watt is legit, Burns has taken a step, and they are a different animal when Shazier is healthy. We just survived that. Hell, we put a little fear in that. Ben was frustrated today.

We had a shot to win that game with a break here or there. The Steelers got all the breaks per usual.

However, after the game, Kizer acknowledged every single mistake we noticed. He blamed himself for holding onto the ball. He said he needs to hit the back or throw it away. He mentioned letting the line down. He mentioned letting the defense down. He doesn't believe in moral victories. He's a leader. Quotes from coaches, McCourty, Thomas, and others after the game show that he has truly won over this team as a 21 year old.

I love him. So does Hue. So should you. He's the one, brethren. I suggest you open your eyes and enjoy watching him develop this year. He will be here a long time.
 
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Britt is a huge dud.

Perhaps premature and unfair, but it's really tough to look at Britt and not see the ghost of Dwayne Bowe.

That being said, if Kizer pans out and we are free to draft something other than a QB next year...imagine what a No. 1 WR and a top CB would mean for this team....
 
Corey Coleman is a bit meh. I never really thought he was gonna be all that good. To me he's too short and not fast enough to make up for it.

I like how the Browns go into every season without a top receiver and wonder why they struggle on offense...
You realize he's just as tall as OBJ and nearly identical speed wise, right?
 
People are not going to like to admit this but I'm really thinking on this.

I think the plays the Steelers made against us on offense were a product of how GOOD Antonio Brown is...not so much how bad our particular team was.

Not to say that we don't stand for some sort of improvement, but I mean that would be a tall task for even a team like the Patriots, let alone us.

Like...there's feeling shitty about seeing a guy just...completely own us, and then there's "How the fuck did he catch that" which we saw today.
 
My dread-o-meter registered every time someone in the offseason threads wrote about how we would protect Kizer and have a killer running game "with our new offensive line".

7 sacks and 2.3 yards per carry. You will not win football games with that.

And yes most of the sacks are on Kizer. So those of you saying "20-30, that's not bad", well it should have been 20-35 if he'd have had the sense to throw 5 of those balls away.

And I'm not necessarily blaming the offensive line for the running game either. Crowell had 17 carries. Second half play calling did no favors to a team with a rookie quarterback: before the final drive, 16 pass plays, 4 running plays. In a half where we were never down by 2 touchdowns. Even though they hadn't had much success on the ground, they pretty much abandoned it it in the second half. That plus Kizer taking sacks put us in holes that really stalled the offense completely.

There were good signs and I love that we were in a winnable ballgame. But they teach quarterbacks at every level to throw balls away. And this is year 2 of saying "we want to run the ball" but then we call 4 passes for every run play in the second half.
 
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My dread-o-meter registered every time someone in the offseason threads wrote about how we would protect Kizer and have a killer running game "with our new offensive line".

7 sacks and 2.3 yards per carry. You will not win football games with that.

And yes most of the sacks are on Kizer. So those of you saying "20-30, that's not bad", well it should have been 20-35 if he'd have had the sense to throw 5 of those balls away.

And I'm not necessarily blaming the offensive line for the running game either. Crowell had 17 carries. Second half play calling did no favors to a team with a rookie quarterback: before the final drive, 16 pass plays, 4 running plays. In a half where we were never down by 2 touchdowns. Even though they hadn't had much success on the ground, they pretty much abandoned it it in the second half. That plus Kizer taking sacks put us in holes that really stalled the offense completely.

There were good signs and I love that we were in a winnable ballgame. But they teach quarterbacks at every level to throw balls away. And this is year 2 of saying "we want to run the ball" but then we call 4 passes for every run play in the second half.
....or 25 of 35 with 250 yards of passing if he had hit his check-downs.
 
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Perhaps premature and unfair, but it's really tough to look at Britt and not see the ghost of Dwayne Bowe.

That being said, if Kizer pans out and we are free to draft something other than a QB next year...imagine what a No. 1 WR and a top CB would mean for this team....
It probably is unfair for me to say that after a single game on Britt, I get that.

That said, he had a very poor preseason as well. He has that big contract now which scares me, and he was very inconsistent in this league prior to last season. He'll make plays eventually, but he's nothing more than a stop-gap on the outside until we can get that 6'2-6'4 stud in the draft....

...which leads me right into "Hell yes." WR/CB is exactly the combination that would make this team look entirely different. Especially with 3 2nd's and an early 3rd rounder, there's a light at the end of this tunnel.
 

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