Week 6: seabirds at Browns

[Sebastian]

So what do folks say about trades?

Pull the trigger on Williams?

 

[NorthCoastBias]

So what do folks say about trades?

Pull the trigger on Williams?

I could see them tinkering at the margins but doubt we see anything resembling a trade that alters the starting lineup on either side of the ball. Just gotta ride this season out and preserve assets for the 2020 draft.

 

[godfather]

We need wins, not moral victories. The Niners game was simply an ass kicking. This game was another game we legitimately should have won. Those hurt more, at least to me.

I mean, if we're bad, then sure this was an encouraging game for progress I guess??? But if we are a team trying to win the division, we were up 2 touch downs. Even led by halftime, and we lose at home.

I don't know, I just don't see the silver lining in that. If this is the same old bad Browns, then I guess we can hang our hat on moral victories.

 

[godfather]

So what do folks say about trades?

Pull the trigger on Williams?

Just don't think its worth it if we're sitting at 2-5. We just might to take this one on the chin, and restock for next year.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I mean, if we're bad, then sure this was an encouraging game for progress I guess??? But if we are a team trying to win the division, we were up 2 touch downs. Even led by halftime, and we lose at home.

I don't know, I just don't see the silver lining in that. If this is the same old bad Browns, then I guess we can hang our hat on moral victories.

Seahawks have one of the best rushing defenses in the NFL and the Browns gashed them with Chubb.

Russell Wilson is right there with Mahomes, Watson and Prescott in every quarterback measurment going into the game, completely on fire really, and the Browns held him for 23/33 and under 300 yards passing with several sacks.

So if you look at each game as black or white without any grey based on wins and losses, that's your choice. If you are looking to see if the Browns played better than Monday, there is evidence.

 

[Marcus]

So what do folks say about trades?

Pull the trigger on Williams?

The price he’s going to command (likely a first) honestly probably won’t be worth it. Couple that with his age, the fact that he’ll need a new contract, and the fact that he will need to gel with a brand new offensive line in a brand new offensive scheme.

If he could be had for a second, I would do it, or at least strongly consider it.

 

[Sebastian]

Just don't think its worth it if we're sitting at 2-5. We just might to take this one on the chin, and restock for next year.

The Browns are not going to finish with the 2-5th picks.

 

[Marcus]

The Browns are not going to finish with the 2-5th picks.

Think he meant W-L record.

 

[Sebastian]

Think he meant W-L record.

Apologies, @godfather.

 

[godfather]

Apologies, @godfather.

Counting the Pats game an automatic L.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Not really true, Kush has been good, not quite as good as Zietler, but he is above average starter so far. Its our tackles that have been bad, and allot of the interceptions are just on Baker to be honest.

What are you basing Kush being a good starter on? PFF has him rated as one of the 10 worst full time guards in the league, with an overall grade of 46.1. They have Zeitler just outside the top 10 at 68.2.

On the flip side, Vernon is the 71st ranked edge player in the league, which speaks to how bad he has been. He barely has a low level starter rank and that doesn’t even include the Seattle game, where he was equally as bad.

That trade was a disaster.

 

[Lee]

What are you basing Kush being a good starter on? PFF has him rated as one of the 10 worst full time guards in the league, with an overall grade of 46.1. They have Zeitler just outside the top 10 at 68.2.

On the flip side, Vernon is the 71st ranked edge player in the league, which speaks to how bad he has been. He barely has a low level starter rank and that doesn’t even include the Seattle game, where he was equally as bad.

That trade was a disaster.

Vernon has not been good, that is for sure. Kush has been fine from what i can tell. He has had 4 penalties which PFF hates thus the grade, but he has been opening holes for Chubb and has not allowed a sack this season.

I wouldn't say the trade was a disaster, I would say Vernon has not lived up to expectations. Richardson has been good, but Vernon hasn't lived up to expectations although by your logic we won the trade.

How did we "win the trade?"...Because PFF has Vernon at 76.4 which is higher than 68.2 of Zietler at a position of greater value. Better player at more important position.

Although I like PFF, not sure I agree with Vernon's grade...cant say anything for Zietler, haven't really payed attention to him.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Vernon has not been good, that is for sure. Kush has been fine from what i can tell. He has had 4 penalties which PFF hates thus the grade, but he has been opening holes for Chubb and has not allowed a sack this season.

I wouldn't say the trade was a disaster, I would say Vernon has not lived up to expectations. Richardson has been good, but Vernon hasn't lived up to expectations although by your logic we won the trade.

How did we "win the trade?"...Because PFF has Vernon at 76.4 which is higher than 68.2 of Zietler at a position of greater value. Better player at more important position.

Although I like PFF, not sure I agree with Vernon's grade...cant say anything for Zietler, haven't really payed attention to him.

By my logic? Come on Lee.

Grades only matter on the basis of position. Your argument is just really, really lazy here.

Or are you trying to say Vernon is more valuable than all but 8-9 QB's in the league?

There's so many guys in the league that can do what Vernon does, opposite a player like Garrett.

We didn't need to trade one of our best offensive linemen to get really average to below average production on the edge.