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That's just it, though. The kinds of trades the Cavs are contemplating are for picks in the abstract, as opposed to "we want player X." So it really is about how much a pick is worth.

I don't think the Cavs are ever going to be a premium free agent destination. Not unless another generational superstar from northeast Ohio happens to find his way on the team. So they should use their salary room for the next best thing: taking on other teams' contract mistakes, and making them pay for that privilege in the form of picks/young players (usually picks). It's the one reliable tool that the Cavs have at their disposal to increase the talent going forward.

It's so complex that you can't just say a player on this salary is worth this kind of pick. The type of player comes into play on the worth as much as the salary. A player might be over paid but a useful player so in a year that player might be worth an asset on the trade market. Other things like injury history, age, and how they are in the locker room has to come into play too.
 
If my math is correct we can take back about $4 million more than Burks' salary in a trade and stay just under the tax line. I can see them looking at that to add another pick, even if protected, but there's no way I would take on salary beyond next season. If we can pick up a protected first or even a couple more seconds for Burks' expiring contract and avoid conveying our pick to Atlanta (turning it into two seconds) we will have "rented" Korver for a few years for free. (Well, other than more of Dan Gilbert's money.)

We can take back $5M more under the new CBA. We were able to do the same with Korver due to his salary range.

The amount cleared for next year is largely contingent on the contract's annual raise, but if the contract you're taking performs as roughly expected it should go up by roughly 7%.

So with Korver the max that could be taken back was about $12.9M. So that could be roughly $13.8M next year and then subtract Korver's $3.4M buyout - so net savings for 2019 would be just over $10M.

The max that can be taken back from Burks alone is just over $16.5M. That could be as much as $17.7M in cap next year. There is no buyout so the Cavs can offer savings of an additional nearly $8M to a team.


They have several options here.

1. Keep Burks and let his contract expire. Save an additional $3.4M off the cap next year. If the cap matches projection and the Cavs get the #1 overall pick, they would be approximately $12M under the cap after signing the #1 pick. The number would go up if they get a lesser pick.

2. Keep Burks and sign him next year to a lower cost deal. Barring Burks having an impressive showing, he may be had for lower than his current $11.5M salary. The Cavs could sign him to a 2-3 year deal at a lower rate. Depends on if they value him as a future rotational asset.

3. Trade him to a competing team that desires his skillset. Extra salary would be taken on in all likelihood along with some draft assets or a young player.

4. Trade him to a team that may or may not be competing but wants to clear space to make a run at a big name free agent or free agents next year. The Nets and Knicks both could have a great interest in this, but there are other teams as well that may feel they have a shot at a big name free agent or two.

Basically Burks can give the Cavs a lot of flexibility in February and can create a lot more competition to either add some help to a team competing for the playoffs or help clear salary. The more bidders, the higher the price.

Hill can be traded for just under $24M and could shave $24.5M off a team cap next year when accounting for his $1M buyout.

Between JR Smith, Hill, and Burks the Cavaliers are capable of saving teams about $59.4M in cap space next year if they so choose. They don't need to do so. They could just let the contracts all expire or cut the players, but they can help teams clear space for nearly two max players.
 
Hill can be traded for just under $24M and could shave $24.5M off a team cap next year when accounting for his $1M buyout.

Spitballing here ... Hill for Nicolas Batum. It works as a straight-up trade (Batum is making $24M this season). Charlotte needs to clear cap to keep Kemba this summer, and this move would allow them to do it. The Cavs would be taking on at least $30M in extra money (up to $57M if Batum exercises his PO in 2020), and of course they'd need to be compensated very well to do that.

It's kind of sad that after four years of LeBron and Finals appearances, we're back to having "Dan Gilbert's checkbook" as the organization's greatest strength. Yet here we are.
 
I haven't seen anyone mention, but they may be shopping Clarkson and Burks could replace him at a cheaper price potentially. There is more than one way to do this thing. They have JR, Burks, and Hill to offer now. A team has options if they want to save money from us and it will depend on the kindof player they want back.
 
Spitballing here ... Hill for Nicolas Batum. It works as a straight-up trade (Batum is making $24M this season). Charlotte needs to clear cap to keep Kemba this summer, and this move would allow them to do it. The Cavs would be taking on at least $30M in extra money (up to $57M if Batum exercises his PO in 2020), and of course they'd need to be compensated very well to do that.

It's kind of sad that after four years of LeBron and Finals appearances, we're back to having "Dan Gilbert's checkbook" as the organization's greatest strength. Yet here we are.

I don't consider it sad at all. Most teams will end up falling way off at the end of a cliff when they have a superstar leave via FA or retire. Not many are able to build a team that can find success when those things happen. The Spurs have been one of the few. And we can even see GSW's struggles WITH Durant when Curry is out.

Dan Gilbert's checkbook may be a plus. He paid out a ton of money over that four year period and if he is willing to eat contracts to get draft picks and/or young players over the next year or two, all the better. How many owners have been willing to leverage their cap space or ending deals to take on tens of millions of dollars they don't have to in order to get assets in an attempt to hasten a rebuild?

There are a lot of fair criticisms worth levying at Gilbert. He can interfere. He can piss off players like he did with LeBron in how he damaged that relationship and may have prevented LeBron from ever considering giving Cleveland the guarantees that were given LA and Miami. His letter and his attitude prevented that, though he was willing to swallow his pride and basically humble himself in front of LeBron to get him back here in the first place.

Dan Gilbert is far from a perfect owner, but he's also far from a terrible one. I'd rather he just shut up, write the checks, and trust some good basketball guys to get everything done. That's not going to happen, but I'm not sure who else would come in right now. We can all dream of LeBron owning the team in the future, but for now that is not happening.

Koby taking on Burks is indication to me that Gilbert is willing to spend for assets. The Cavs are in MUCH better shape than they were back when LeBron first left. They need to be sure they manage player acquisition better than they have over the past nearly 15 years - it started well before Gilbert ever bought the team.

So now we get the reset Acquire assets, find the things that can benefit the Cavs but also be mutually beneficial possibly.

Batum is a possibility. There may be several teams looking for relief next year in one way or another.

Or how about this:

George Hill to the Knicks for Lance Thomas, Courtney Lee, Frank Ntilikina, and the Knicks 2019 first unprotected?

Sounds crazy on the surface, but it also depends on what the Knicks goal is. Do the Knicks want to show Porzingas back healthy and try to encourage a Miami like team up?

The move mentioned above would give the Knicks over $70M in open cap space. Enough to sign both Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant to go along with Porzingis, Robinson, Knox, Hardaway, and a few others.

Why trade the first? Because it has a rather substantial cap hold that comes with it.

Why trade Ntilikina? Because you'd rather keep Knox and you want to clear space.

Will it happen? Not counting on it, but also not saying it can't. All depends on what the Knicks want to try. But they HAVE to do something like that if they hope to add two max level superstars next year.

And there's a team across the East River that will be looking to do something similar. Ditching Crabbe could give them enough space to sign two superstars and be able to keep both Dinwiddie and Russell. Burks could come into play there as could others.


There will be A LOT of options as we approach February and teams size up their playoff chances or their desire to return to relevance and take a shot at a superstar player in free agency. With guys like Durant, Irving, Butler, Leonard, Thompson, Kemba, Cousins (depending how his return goes) out there and others like Tobias Harris, Middleton, and guys like Randle also pushing their stock up, teams will want to clear space to take some shots.
 
George Hill to the Knicks for Lance Thomas, Courtney Lee, Frank Ntilikina, and the Knicks 2019 first unprotected?

Sounds crazy on the surface, but it also depends on what the Knicks goal is. Do the Knicks want to show Porzingas back healthy and try to encourage a Miami like team up?

It does sound crazy on the surface, but you make a good case for why it would make sense. I'm just not sure that the Knicks would want to commit to that course in February.

However ... how about in late June? The Knicks are desperate to open cap room in hopes of pulling off their own version of "Yes. We. Did." Thanks to the new CBA closing the loophole with non-guaranteed/partially-guaranteed contracts, they seem to be out of luck.

Enter Earl "J.R." Smith, and his grandfathered, lightly-guaranteed deal for 2019-20. The Cavs could trade Swish to the Knicks for the same package (less Thomas), get two significant contracts and a cap hold off the books, and then have the room ... to lose out on Durant/Klay/Kyrie/etc. next July. But we won't tell them that last part.
 
We can take back $5M more under the new CBA. We were able to do the same with Korver due to his salary range.

The amount cleared for next year is largely contingent on the contract's annual raise, but if the contract you're taking performs as roughly expected it should go up by roughly 7%.

So with Korver the max that could be taken back was about $12.9M. So that could be roughly $13.8M next year and then subtract Korver's $3.4M buyout - so net savings for 2019 would be just over $10M.

The max that can be taken back from Burks alone is just over $16.5M. That could be as much as $17.7M in cap next year. There is no buyout so the Cavs can offer savings of an additional nearly $8M to a team.


They have several options here.

1. Keep Burks and let his contract expire. Save an additional $3.4M off the cap next year. If the cap matches projection and the Cavs get the #1 overall pick, they would be approximately $12M under the cap after signing the #1 pick. The number would go up if they get a lesser pick.

2. Keep Burks and sign him next year to a lower cost deal. Barring Burks having an impressive showing, he may be had for lower than his current $11.5M salary. The Cavs could sign him to a 2-3 year deal at a lower rate. Depends on if they value him as a future rotational asset.

3. Trade him to a competing team that desires his skillset. Extra salary would be taken on in all likelihood along with some draft assets or a young player.

4. Trade him to a team that may or may not be competing but wants to clear space to make a run at a big name free agent or free agents next year. The Nets and Knicks both could have a great interest in this, but there are other teams as well that may feel they have a shot at a big name free agent or two.

Basically Burks can give the Cavs a lot of flexibility in February and can create a lot more competition to either add some help to a team competing for the playoffs or help clear salary. The more bidders, the higher the price.

Hill can be traded for just under $24M and could shave $24.5M off a team cap next year when accounting for his $1M buyout.

Between JR Smith, Hill, and Burks the Cavaliers are capable of saving teams about $59.4M in cap space next year if they so choose. They don't need to do so. They could just let the contracts all expire or cut the players, but they can help teams clear space for nearly two max players.

Just the new CBA rules you are referring to for all of us (including me) who didn't know.

In a simultaneous trade, different rules applies to taxpaying and non-taxpaying clubs. A non-taxpaying team can trade one or more players and take back….

  • 175% of the outgoing salary (plus $100K), for any amount up to $6,533,333.
  • The outgoing salary plus $5MM, for any amount between $6,533,333 and $19,600,000.
  • 125% of the outgoing salary (plus $100K), for any amount above $19,600,000.
For taxpaying teams, the traded player exception rules for a simultaneous trade are simpler, albeit more restrictive. A taxpaying club can send out one or more players and take back 125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100K.
 
It does sound crazy on the surface, but you make a good case for why it would make sense. I'm just not sure that the Knicks would want to commit to that course in February.

However ... how about in late June? The Knicks are desperate to open cap room in hopes of pulling off their own version of "Yes. We. Did." Thanks to the new CBA closing the loophole with non-guaranteed/partially-guaranteed contracts, they seem to be out of luck.

Enter Earl "J.R." Smith, and his grandfathered, lightly-guaranteed deal for 2019-20. The Cavs could trade Swish to the Knicks for the same package (less Thomas), get two significant contracts and a cap hold off the books, and then have the room ... to lose out on Durant/Klay/Kyrie/etc. next July. But we won't tell them that last part.

The issue with Smith's deal is that it cannot clear as much space for them. I think there certainly will be teams that will look to Smith in June as a way to clear space.

As you say, I'm not sure the Knicks would commit to this course, though they may if they hear other teams are sniffing around the possibility. Would they prefer Brooklyn clear the space and take the shot at the big names.

There are so many top tier free agents and guys just below that like Middleton and Randle (at least with how he's been playing in NO) that there may be no shortage of demand.

And reality is with the new CBA that JR may be the only game in town after the season, so teams will have to consider cap clearance for the 2019 FA class in February due to the updated rules.

And guess which team is in the best shape for that? The Cavs are, depending on the attitudes of others. The Magic could trade Vucevic and eat contracts, but I have a feeling they are past that and may actually be one of the ones that might try to clear space. Would not be surprised if they aim for Kemba and then see if they can afford adding someone else like Middleton. They'd probably love to dump Mozgov for space if they could.
 
Just the new CBA rules you are referring to for all of us (including me) who didn't know.

In a simultaneous trade, different rules applies to taxpaying and non-taxpaying clubs. A non-taxpaying team can trade one or more players and take back….

  • 175% of the outgoing salary (plus $100K), for any amount up to $6,533,333.
  • The outgoing salary plus $5MM, for any amount between $6,533,333 and $19,600,000.
  • 125% of the outgoing salary (plus $100K), for any amount above $19,600,000.
For taxpaying teams, the traded player exception rules for a simultaneous trade are simpler, albeit more restrictive. A taxpaying club can send out one or more players and take back 125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100K.

Yeah not everyone is aware of the changes, especially those that drastically increase the amount you can take from lower level contracts. It's added extra incentive for teams to stay out of the tax. You have a lot of trade flex and you can more easily help bail out teams in the tax and profit from doing so.
 
Don't think this guy is anything like Rodney. He seems to like to slash. If Rodney was willing to go to the rim like Burks, he might be a pretty decent player.

I'd give him some burn as our backup PG over Harrison. Play some drive and kick.
 
He's not a ball stopper. He gets it and just makes the offense flow.
 
Alec had the best stat line of anyone on our team last night for what it's worth. 15 pts, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 0 turnovers.
What's everyone else do except nothing?
 
Alec had the best stat line of anyone on our team last night for what it's worth. 15 pts, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 0 turnovers.
What's everyone else do except nothing?
When the whole team plays like it is a playground pick-up game, the newest guy can thrive.
 
I haven't seen anyone mention, but they may be shopping Clarkson and Burks could replace him at a cheaper price potentially. There is more than one way to do this thing. They have JR, Burks, and Hill to offer now. A team has options if they want to save money from us and it will depend on the kindof player they want back.

Burks being Clarkson's replacement would be alot better for the development of our team. I won't knock Koby for going after Clarkson, if the staff was able to get him to play more effectively, we might have had a very good player for the future. It just doesn't seem like he will ever increase his BB IQ.

Burks just makes it easier to develop guys in the second unit. If we are able to move Clarkson for any asset, I would be happy.
 
I like Burks very lively. Not a ball stopper. Slash and finish or shoot the tray. I like it.
 

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